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TOPIC: Dormeo Octaspring mattress

Dormeo Octaspring mattress 29 Jun 2013 11:00 #1

www.octaspring.ca

Does anyone have any experience with this type of mattress? Was at the mattress store yesterday and I found myself quite tempted. It is a significant investment however. But, my in store experience on it was incredible. It reminds me a lot of the tempurpedic mattress but it not supposed to have the warmth issues that tempurpedic can have and it was way more comfortable.

It appears that these were new to Canada in late 2012 (from Europe) so I am not finding many reviews online.
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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 29 Jun 2013 16:55 #2

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Hi mideastprincess,

You can see a few comments about the Dormeo Octaspring in post #2 of this thread and a forum search on octaspring (you can just click this) will bring up a few more comments about them as well.

They are transparent about their materials and as an example the 9500 model is made up as follows ...

2" 3 lb memory foam
3" 5 lb memory foam ecocell
2" 2.5 - 3.5 lb polyfoam ecocell
2" 3.5 lb ecocell zoned
2" 2.5 lb ecocell

NOTE: post #33 here has the updated specs for the Octaspring line (excluding foam densities) and they also now have two new lines besides the Octaspring called the Dolce and the Serenite (which includes Talalay latex instead of memory foam for the top layer).

My biggest concern would be the top layer of memory foam in their mattresses which is lower quality (less than 4 lbs) but all the rest of the materials are good quality. 2" is a little over the thickness I would normally suggest avoiding for lower quality materials in the upper layers (around an inch or so) and once there is 2" or more of lower density materials this could start becoming a weak link in the mattress ... but it's not a lot over the guideline so this isn't as bad as a mattress that say uses 3" of lower quality memory foam which would have a bigger effect on the loss of comfort and support and the long term durability of the mattress.

From a "commodity value" point of view they are not particularly good value and there is more lower quality memory foam in the top layer than I would be comfortable with (see post #4 here) but they are also a unique design and the pressure relief/comfort and the support/alignment of a mattress and even the ability to customize your choice may also be important part of each person's personal value equation that for a few people may offset the higher prices or the possible weak link in terms of durability because of the 2" of 3 lb memory foam. ADDITIONAL NOTE: Their new line has also reduced the top memory foam layer to 1.5" which is better and is more in line with the guidelines here of "no more than about an inch or so" of lower quality/density materials in the comfort layers that I would normally suggest.

If for some reason this mattress was so much better than other choices you had in terms of feel and performance or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that nothing else would do or even come close, then in spite of its higher prices, and as long as you were OK with a little more lower quality memory foam in the top layer than may be ideal or desirable ... then it may be worth considering for those where a unique mattress that seemed to feel and perform so much better than anything else they tested was the most important part of their criteria. It's "value" in other words would be more in its uniqueness and whether it was so much better by your specific criteria that the higher price was justified and "value" by more typical definitions wasn't as important to you.

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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 21 Aug 2013 19:54 #3

Wow! Where did you find those specifications for the foam densities? I couldn't find that information anywhere online.
Thanks!
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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 21 Aug 2013 21:04 #4

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Hi mojowomyn,

I haven't seen it online either (except here). It came from talking to one of the more informed retailers who sells it.

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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 22 Aug 2013 16:57 #5

I contacted their customer service department and they were able to send me a PDF file called Mattress Comparison Chart. It has all the measurements and densities a person could want. The top three mattresses are very similar. The differences in the top three are how thick the foam is, and which densities they use - 9500 being soft, 8500 medium, 8000 medium firm. The foam in all three have the same quality and density.

They have been super helpful so far. I have talked to them on the phone and email several times now.

Now the hard part - do I really want to shell out $2900 for a Queen mattress? The Reverie sleep system is out of the question for me since I cannot sit on it anywhere.

I feel like I need another round or six of testing out some more mattresses. I do like the Octaspring, but for that money I don't want to be disappointed! Ill keep ya all up to date with the journey!
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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 22 Aug 2013 18:29 #6

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Hi mojowomyn,

Now the hard part - do I really want to shell out $2900 for a Queen mattress? The Reverie sleep system is out of the question for me since I cannot sit on it anywhere.

Of course that's always one of the challenges when it comes to each person's personal value equation but for me it would need to be significantly "better" in one way or another from other memory foam mattresses that used similar quality materials (but in a much different design) in lower budget ranges. There isn't a "price" you can attach for comfort or performance that clearly works better for you than something else but there can certainly be an extra cost for a mattress where the benefits of the design or the story attached to it don't translate into improved feel or performance that you can clearly distinguish and identify.

I feel like I need another round or six of testing out some more mattresses. I do like the Octaspring, but for that money I don't want to be disappointed! Ill keep ya all up to date with the journey!

I'm looking forward to your ongoing feedback along the way.

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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 05 Sep 2013 20:57 #7

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I am new to this outstanding website. Thank you for this service.

I probably should start a new thread, but I came into this site leaning toward buying a King Octaspring 9500 and I that has not changed much, except I wish I lived closer than 2 hours to the city. I live in SE Kansas, so we are 2 hours from Wichita, Tulsa, KC, or Springfield. (We do have Edna Mattress Factory 20 miles away :) )

I am 42 healthy 6'1" 190# marathon runner. My wife is 41 5'8" 135 (except she is 6 months pregnant and obviously bigger now) She is having a terrible time sleeping with hip pain, as she must sleep on her side not her normal back. I am a stomach sleeper.

We have an 8 year old Simmons Beauty Rest ("the same mattress that they used at the Westin" :) Its time for a new mattress. I have used a Tempur pillow for 15 years, but have always been scared of memory foam because of the heat. Then one year ago I ran across the YuMe memory foam, which has an option which can heat/cool +- 10 degrees to room temperature. I have been following them since then, and noticed they are coming out with their next version (475, 575, 675) right now.

I was in the city, and talked to a guy I know at the Mattress Firm. They are the exclusive distributor of YuMe. So after reading this site I am probably not going that direction.

But Mattress Firm in Wichita aslo has Octaspring. Their Corporate stores do not carry it. This apparently is a franchise store.

My wife laid on every mattress there, and she liked it the best. Getting on here today and reading the limited info, it appears its pretty positive. Money for me is not an issue. I want my wife to be comfortable. But if there is something else we need to try, please let me know. Its just hard for us to get away with our other 3 kids activities (yes all 14 years old). We need to pull the trigger soon.

We also think we want to get a King with the adjustable base.

Any insight would be appreciated.
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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 05 Sep 2013 22:50 #8

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Hi odrunr,

Just in case you haven't read it ... the first place I would start your research is post #1 here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need along with links to some of the more important forum posts that can help you make the best possible choices.

As you will see ... I would also suggest avoiding any of the chain stores such as Mattress Firm. At the very least I would make sure you can find out the specifics of all the layers in any mattress you are considering before making a completely blind purchase where the odds are high that you would either be purchasing a mattress with lower quality materials or a mattress that has poor value compared to many other similar options that are available to you. You can see some comments about the YuMe mattress in post #2 here. I believe the prices for the YuMe mattresses are rather outrageous.

I would also take some of the claims you are mentioning and the marketing information you are being told with extreme skepticism and a big grain of salt.

I would also consider buying a mattress for your "regular" needs (with her back sleeping) and then either adding a topper for the extra pressure relief your wife will need while she is pregnant because you will have the mattress for much longer than she is pregnant and it's not really possible to "fix" a mattress that is too soft without removing and replacing materials. You can remove the topper after she has the baby if she no longer needs the extra pressure relief. I would also consider using a body pillow or a pregnancy pillow while she is pregnant to improve both comfort and support during the more "awkward" staqes of pregnancy. Back sleepers generally need thinner or firmer comfort layers than side sleepers and stomach sleepers generally need thinner/firmer comfort layers yet to avoid the risk of sleeping wit the spine out of alignment. I would also avoid memory foam if you plan to have the baby sleep on your mattress because it is too movement restrictive and too soft for babies and young children IMO.

I would also not translate higher cost as meaning a more suitable mattress and I would make sure that you don't buy any mattress where the type or quality of the materials inside it is unknown regardless of the "story" attached to it. Again ... I would particularly avoid the YuMe mattress unless you are able to find out all the detailed specs and there is a compelling reason that for some reason justifies their prices for what are basically memory foam and polyfoam layers of unknown density. If they can provide the specs but don't know what they mean you are welcome to post them here and I'd be happy to make some further comments.

You can read a little more about various ways that can be used to cool down memory foam in post #6 here and more about the many factors that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress in post #2 here.

You can read more about adjustable bases and some online stores that are good for pricing references in the adjustable bed thread here.

I'm not sure exactly where you are but some of the options listed in post #4 here may also be within reasonable diving distance and worth calling and/or visiting.

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Last Edit: 06 Sep 2013 16:42 by Phoenix.
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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 06 Sep 2013 09:25 #9

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Phoenix: I belong to several message board and even moderate one myself. I have never seen someone as good and generous with information as yourself. Thank you!!!!

What about the Octaspring? Its seems that what I have read on here from you and others the returns are relatively favorable??

Thank you so much, the YuMe thing had me hook, line, and sinker. So glad I found this site.
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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 06 Sep 2013 17:00 #10

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Hi odrunr,

Thanks again for the kind words :)

What about the Octaspring? Its seems that what I have read on here from you and others the returns are relatively favorable??

Some of my thoughts about the Octaspring are in post #2 earlier in this thread.

With the exception of the top 2" layer which is in a lower density range ... they use good quality materials and are transparent about what they use. From a materials point of view they are also not great value and IMO its "value" would be based more on its uniqueness than on the materials in the mattress. I would have a hard time justifying the premium price unless the benefits of the specific design was so much better than anything else you tested that you strongly believed that it was worth the premium price you would be paying.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here but if you are referring to Mattress Firm's return policy then they provide a full refund within 100 days less what they call "transportation" changes which is probably the original delivery charge and you would be responsible for any charges involved with returning the mattress. I would call this relatively favorable compared to other mattress purchases that don't have any refund policy at all or that have higher costs or fees involved for returns.

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Last Edit: 06 Sep 2013 17:01 by Phoenix.
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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 07 Sep 2013 14:27 #11

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Hi odrunr,

I did a web search and made a few calls around Coffeyville (it's about 20 miles away from Edna so I assumed that's close to where you are) and I'm including the stores in the area that I would focus on if you are looking to purchase more locally. I've also included the brands they carry that I would include in your research. The basis for listing the stores and brands I do is that they are more transparent about the materials and components in their mattresses so your odds would be higher of being able to find out the specifics of what is in the mattresses they make. this way if it "fits" your needs and preferences in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) then they should also be able to call the factory to find out the specs so that can tell you about the quality of the materials as well.

Most stores will only tell you to test a mattress for "comfort" but have little idea of how to validate the quality/durability of the mattresses they carry so by focusing on stores and brands where the odds are higher of being able to find out the details of all the materials in the mattress you can also make sure that the mattress has no obvious "weak links" that will soften or break down much too quickly.


www.ednamattress.net/ Edna, KS. They are a local factory direct manufacturer and these are generally the best source of quality and value for a mattress. They appear to make latex and innerspring mattresses and can custom build. Local factories also tend to be much more open about the materials they use in their mattresses and focus more on educating their customers about mattresses and materials than "selling" them.

cooper-herringtonfurniture.com/ Bartlesville, OK. They carry Restonic which makes a wide range of mattresses that are often better quality/value than larger brands but I didn't have a chance to talk with them so I'm not sure what types of mattresses they have on their floor or their willingness to call the factory to find out the specs of their mattresses. Restonic is a licensee group and some of their factories are more open than others about disclosing the materials they use in their mattresses.

www.bobloftisfurnitureloft.com/locations Bartlesville, McAlester, Sapulpa, Muskogee, Grove, Holdenville, OK. They carry Sleeptronic and Sleep Designs both of which are smaller regional wholesale manufacturers that would be more open about their mattresses. They toldme that they would call the factory if they didn't have the specs about any of these mattresses.

westcohomefurnishings.com/index.html Dewey, OK., Parsons, KS. and others. Carries Eclipse made by Sleep Designs. They carry some latex hybrids as well as memory foam and microcoils and they also told me (in Dewey) that they would call the factory to find out any information their customers needed. Eclipse is another mid size manufacturer that is more open about the materials they use in their mattresses.

www.yelp.com/biz/leslie-mattress-factory-miami Miami, OK. I haven't been able to reach them on the phone so I don't know what they carry or if they still manufacture mattresses. They would be worth a phone call to see what type of mattresses they make and a little more about them but I'm including them as a possibility that also needs further research.

Once again ... outside of testing a mattress for PPP one of the most important parts of a mattress purchase is making sure that you know all the details of what is inside it. If you find out the specs and the store doesn't have the knowledge to "translate" them for you then feel free to list them here and I'd be happy to make some comments about them or help you identify any weak links or lower quality materials in the mattress.

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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 09 Sep 2013 10:24 #12

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Thank you. I am in Parsons and there is a Westco here. Sell cheap to moderate furniture. They also sell several brands of mattresses but I was not sure which "brands" were ones to look at.

Again, thank you so much. I need to learn about Latex mattresses. Innerspring and Memory foam I get, latex I do not. I think of latex I think of hot, sticky and sweaty. :)
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Hi odrunr,
Thank you. I am in Parsons and there is a Westco here. Sell cheap to moderate furniture. They also sell several brands of mattresses but I was not sure which "brands" were ones to look at.

As you know from the site a mattress is only as good as its construction and the materials inside it but unfortunately most retailers have very little knowledge about the quality of the materials in their mattresses or in many cases even how to tell. The few that do are among the exceptions in the industry ... even though outside of the comfort and support of a mattress it's one of the most important parts of making an informed choice.

The retailers and "brands" I list are based on the likelihood of being able to find out the information you need ... but the good news is that I have talked with the owner of Eclipse and Eastman House (who also manufactures Therapedic in some regions of the country) and they will provide this information to their retailers so it's really a matter of whether the retailer will take the time to find out for their customers.

I'm looking forward to your feedback from a visit to Westco and any of the other options you visit ... and of course feel free to post any questions you have along the way.

You can read more about latex here but in general it is the most durable and the most breathable (coolest) of all the foam materials (polyfoam, memory foam, and latex foam). You can also read more about all the factors that contribute to the sleeping temperature of a mattress in post #2 here

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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 09 Sep 2013 15:50 #14

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I visited Westco today and they did have eclipse mattresses on the floor. The lady however was not very knowledgeable at all. Very disappointing.
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Dormeo Octaspring mattress 09 Sep 2013 17:36 #15

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I am still have the Octaspring 9500 as my number one choice as it is the most comfortable bed my wife and I have ever laid upon. But the price has gotten me into researching and finding this awesome site.

Apparently the "exclusive" dealing for Octaspring in the US is Mattress Firm. Again I was looking at the YuMe for the past year (to the day) but after reading on here dropped that option.

Here is what I found out today. The adjustable base on the Octospring is the Dormea Adjustable which is an LP adjustable. Not exactly sure what model, but it does not have Zero G on one, has one memory position. Has message. Mattress firm retails the base for $2500.

Also the Octaspring 9500 is modeled after the Tempur Cloud Lux.

After reading the Atlantic Beds site, their comparable SPLIT KING mattress is 4399 (with LP base). Although I think if I bought Atlantic I would buy their Bliss.

Reading about bases, its seems the LP might not be as good? I wish the Zero G and other options.

I am getting closer but need more focus and information.
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