My wife and are buying a new mattress after our last expensive innerspring has only lasted 5 years. I am seeing many posts saying that latex are some of the more durable and supportive mattresses to get. Has anyone bought or researched the IKEA mattresses especially the latex models.
I found that there were much better, customizable options at close to the same price, if not better than what Ikea offers.
Their mattress is not quite 8", while you can get 8-10" customized to fit you from any of the above with a 5% discount.
If you haven't already, find a local Savvy rest dealer and go try out their beds to see what latex feels like, then build your own.
I'll add my own similar thoughts to ARazorbackguy.
Ikea has several different "latex" or latex hybrid mattresses.
SULTAN ELSFJORD: All latex mattress. I would tend to avoid this because it contains only 5.5" of synthetic Dunlop latex with synthetic fibers in the quilting/ticking.
SULTAN ENGENES All latex mattress. I would avoid this as well because of the 80% synthetic Dunlop and the synthetics in the ticking/quilting.
SULTAN EDSELE All latex mattress. This is 85% natural Dunlop and a wool/cotton ticking/quilting. This is one of the better Ikea choices (although the latex used is still not quite of the same quality as a 100% Dunlop produced in a mold by some of the better manufacturers).
SULTAN FOSSING Polyfoam/latex hybrid. A little better than some but I would still tend to avoid. Good quality polyfoam (2.2 lbs). 80% synthetic Dunlop latex and synthetic fibers in the quilting/ticking (with a bit of wool).
SULTAN FJORDGARD Polyfoam/Latex hybrid. Very similar to the SULTAN FOSSING except a thicker layer of 80% Synthetic Dunlop latex. I would also avoid this.
NOTE: See the note and links at the end of this post since Ikea has now changed their foam mattresses to new models.
SULTAN HOLMSTA Pocket Coil / Latex hybrid. I would tend to avoid this. Fairly low coil density pocket coils, lower density polyfoam, 80% synthetic Dunlop latex, synthetics in the quilting/ticking, and layer thicknesses aren't disclosed.
SULTAN HJELMAS Pocket coil / Latex Hybrid. I would also avoid this. Fairly low density pocket coils. 80% synthetic Dunlop late. Synthetic fiber in the quilting.
SULTAN HEGGEDAL Pocket Coil / Latex hybrid. I would give some consideration to this as a "budget" mattress. Slightly higher coil count, 85% natural Dunlop, Rubberized Coir, and higher quality materials in the ticking/quilting than the less expensive options.
The "best" of these are the 85% natural Dunlop Sultan Edsel (now replaced by the Morgongava which is very similar) and Sultan Heggedal which could provide a better local option (for testing at least to check the feel of firmer Dunlop latex by itself or over firmer pocket coils) at better value than many other more mainstream choices ... particularly with a softer topper on top if necessary for pressure relief. As ARazorbackguy1 mentioned however, it isn't the same quality or value as many local manufacturers or online manufacturers who in some cases sell better quality materials at lower prices.
There are also some comments about some of the other Ikea mattresses in post #2 here and some cutaway pictures of some of them which shows the layer thicknesses in this topic as well (thanks to sdmark and MatRest). There are also some comments about them and some of the options that aren't on their website in post #61 here (thanks again to sdmark) and in posts #3 and #4 here (thanks to jayblackseal). Forum searches on the name of each of their models will also bring up more comments and feedback about each of them as well.
I would also tend to avoid their memory foam mattresses which use 3.1 lb memory foam (which is lower density than the memory foam guidelines here).
After days of research online I thought I might try and keep it simple and buy an IKEA mattress. Before finding this site I looked at all their mattresses and narrowed it down to the same two you did.
IKEA is two hours away, so there is the possibility of trying it out. My daughter has an IKEA mattress no longer sold in US, and we like it. So here are my questions:
These two possible Ikea mattresses are about 1K, I haven't found any comparable mattresses in that price range or even close, so if you or the other poster in this thread could be more specific about an actual mattress with better or similar quality near that price it would be helpful. I live in Asheville, North Carolina. Originally, I was going to go with Habitat but realized it was overpriced.
The reason they don't sell my daughter's mattress anymore has to do with fire retardant requirements here. It would be helpful to have an article on types of fire retardants used in mattresses, if I missed that, just point me to it
I appreciate all the good info on your site, and if you can give me some specifics to get out of this overwhelm I would appreciate it.... Anne Marie
Just to add one more to the list that SRugs provided (thanks SRugs )
www.parkplacecorp.com/showroom Larger Regional manufacturer who normally sells only wholesale but has a showroom in Greenville, SC which sells factory direct. You can see their mattresses at their factory direct online site www.mattresshero.com/ . You will need to make an appointment first with Jay Orders as it is not a "public" showroom.
These are the closest but there are many more a little further away. A list centered on Greenville is in post #2 here, around Hickory is in post #2 here, around Knoxville is in post #2 here and around Seneca/Clemson, SC is in post #2 here. The ones already listed though have some very good quality and value mattresses (a little more than Ikea but higher quality mattresses, and IMO better value and more flexible construction and layering and I probably wouldn't go further than that). I would start with Colton and then call the two outlets near Hickory as a reference for comparable mattresses to see if you wish to make the trip.
Thank you both. I just called Colton, and plan to go there on Monday. I'm excited about the possibility of finding something made locally. I was concerned because their website is very sparse, but I feel better after reading the post you directed me to.
Are mattress manufacturers required to produce any kind of spec sheet that I can ask for? So far going to mattress stores is like walking into a car sales place. But at least with cars you can find the spec sheets first.
I went to an organic store downtown that sold Savvy Rest, but they seemed expensive around 3K. Layers of latex with thin layer of wool in between. I was a bit lost as to what to ask, even after reading all the research and articles.
For years I slept on a baffled water bed, and really liked it. Then I bought a Sterns and Foster Hartwood, and never really liked that mattress, or felt comfortable on it, and it seemed to aggravate a neck issue I have. I like laying on my daughters IKEA Sultan Hjelmas. Does that information give you any indication of which latex layers or combo I should consider? You have already been incredibly helpful and I am so grateful. I'll post when I make a decision which needs to be this week. - Anne Marie
The smaller local manufacturers are very open about the materials they put in their mattress and will almost always be happy to talk about the difference between good materials and "not so good" materials. They typically are open and transparent and actually want people to compare the materials in their mattresses rather than making it difficult to impossible like most major manufacturers or chain stores. This is one of the reasons that in most cases (of course not every local manufacturer is automatically "great") they are such a delight to deal with. When you are dealing with a factory direct manufacturer (or a better sleep shop) ... they will know what you don't so you don't have to become an "expert" yourself.
Savvy Rest makes some very high quality "choose your own layer" mattresses but IMO ... compared to many other very good choices that have mattresses that offer the same options and use the same quality materials ... they are significantly overpriced. A forum search on Savvy Rest will bring up lots of information on them. They are great for testing various latex layering combinations ... not so great value to make a purchase.
The Ikea Sultan Hjelmas doesn't provide enough information (firmness of the latex or gauge of the springs) to really know it's feel and this would also depend on the person and how they interacted with the mattress and on their own subjective preferences (one person's firm is another's soft). I can say however that the quality of the latex is low (20% natural and 80% synthetic SBR) and I probably wouldn't consider it compared to some of the other options available there (or elsewhere). Their own rating is "medium" and Dunlop latex can be quite firm and I would suspect that a lower coil count pocket coil would also be fairly firm. I've updated the list in the previous post to include it because for some reason the Sultan Hjelmas doesn't show on their site unless you search for it specifically.
My best suggestion would be to test the mattresses at Colton (and/or the other manufacturers mentioned) with "fresh eyes" rather than trying to match the feel of a specific mattress. This way you can give feedback about the pressure relief and the alignment of each mattress without having to remember what another mattress felt like and they will know which would be the best layering option to test next to "adjust" the properties and feel of what you are lying on.
Just as food for thought (which you likely know anyway) ... a suitable pillow is an important part of a sleeping system and can also greatly affect the alignment of your cervical spine and help with neck issues that are caused by misalignment.
I'm looking forward to your feedback and feel free to post any questions along the way. Of course the manufacturers you have available are likely to have the knowledge and experience to know any information you need just as well or better because they can actually see you lying on the mattress and give feedback in "real time".
Went to Colton yesterday. The only latex they do is Talalay. They get it from International Latex and it's a natural/syn blend about 80/20. (Maybe same as Ikea?) I tried both memory foam and latex and still like the latex. I preferred a softer top.
So here is what I am thinking about:
4" of #28 latex over #36 or #44 latex - most expensive option (1800)
4" of #28 latex over 4" 3.1 HR Foam or over 4" of pocket coils (leaning toward foam) This would save me about $500.
Also if I want a natural fiber quilting it would be $300 more and take a week longer. The standard quilting is 40% cotton, 40% poly, 20% bamboo, and uses Visell as the fire retardent.
The natural quilting is cotton and wool. It adds a little firmness which might be good in long run and I heard it helps with temperature and moisture.
So here is what I'm wondering. Is there a downside to using the foam instead of the laytex for the support level? He assured me it would feel the same. If I did that then I could afford the natural quilting.
I know I shiould try some other places but I have family arriving Friday and really want to make the decision today if possible. It's more than the IKEA mattress, but I like that they are local.
Also, they have an instock mattress that's got about 6" of latex and the blend quilting, for about 1600. But I would prefer a thicker mattress because I have this low platform bed.
If you could give me some feed back, I would sure appreciate it. They didn't have one to try with latex over foam, so would feel better if I heard your opinion about that. Thanks, Anne Marie
In order to make a comparison between mattresses ... I would need to know the specs and prices of both mattresses and I don't know the price or specs of a "comparable" mattress at Colton.
I can say though that I like Rocky Mountain Mattress and they are members of the site (which means that I believe they are among the "best of the best" in terms of quality and value). Their current prices for a 6" natural Dunlop core with a 2" talalay latex comfort layer are very good value (which is typical of the members here). When ordering online though ... knowing your options if you need to exchange the mattress or a layer is important because unless you are at their local outlet you won't have had the chance to lie on it to test it in person and it is is a "finished" mattress and not a zip cover where you choose layers or can exchange them although it does offer choices in firmness levels. Of course local testing on latex mattresses can provide a good guideline to the firmness levels that work best for you.
Overall ... the Rocky mountain is good value but like all online purchases have a degree of "risk" (shipping charges for any exchanges or returns) and this would need to be included in your "value equation".
Did you see the previous post where I listed the price. The (1800) is dollars, then it's 1300 for the other two options, foam or pocket coils. The Colton stock mattress is 6" latex, but doesn't have the natural cover. - Anne Marie
I did miss your post, sorry ... it must have snuck in when I was busy writing another one.
The Colton natural/synthetic blend (which would be 30/70 NR/SBR) is talalay rather than Dunlop and would be a higher quality and more expensive type of latex than the blended continuous pour Dunlop that Ikea uses. If I am looking at Dunlop (rather than talalay) ... I personally prefer 100% natural that is by companies like Latex Green, CoCo latex, or Latexco (among others).
So here is what I am thinking about:
4" of #28 latex over #36 or #44 latex - most expensive option (1800)
4" of #28 latex over 4" 3.1 HR Foam or over 4" of pocket coils (leaning toward foam) This would save me about $500.
Assuming that the latex support core is 6" ... all of these would be good value IMO. The 3.1 lb polyfoam is exceptionally high quality (approaching the quality of latex in many specs) and pocket coils with latex comfort layers are also a preference for many people. All of these in other words are very high quality options and have good value IMO and preferences, intangibles, and budget would be the reason most people would choose one over the other.
When I am comparing a mattress made locally by a manufacturer to an online outlet ... I would tend to include a premium in my "value equation" to the fact that I have been able to test the mattress for pressure relief and alignment which removes much of the uncertainty of buying online. Making changes after the fact is also easier (if the manufacturer allows this) because the manufacturer is local and the mattress wouldn't have to be packaged and shipped. If this "premium" on a similar mattress is too much however ... then the additional risk of an online purchase may also be worth considering.
The most important part and benefit of buying locally though is the ability to carefully "fit" a mattress to your needs and preferences (under the guidance of someone who is very good at this) and I would never make a purchase under the pressure of other events because this is something you will be living ... and sleeping with for many hours each night for a long time. I would personally not make any purchase until you are satisfied that the mattress you are choosing really will give you the pressure relief and the alignment and support you need and also feels the way you prefer a mattress to feel. Even an online purchase can be much more accurate if you have done enough local testing to really know what you need and prefer.
Bear in mind too that it is sometimes difficult to make exact comparisons because the cost of the quilting/ticking (as you can see) and differences in the amount of materials used in different mattresses can make a real difference in the final prices so price comparisons are more "ballpark" comparisons based on similar amounts of similar materials and there is no "exact" way to factor in "exactly" the many other variables and intangibles that are important part of each individual's value equation.
There's more information about the various choices in ticking/quilting materials here (ticking) and here (quilting) and about natural vs synthetic here as well as in many other forum posts as well including post #2 here but they will basically confirm what your own experience and Colton is telling you and help to give some context to any "price benefit" tradeoffs that may be important to you.
All of your choices here are good ones IMO ... and once someone reaches this point (has eliminated the worst or low value choices) then it's very difficult to go "wrong" and its more a matter of deciding what is most important to you and the levels of risk/benefit and the prices of various options that you are comfortable with rather than thinking in terms of which one is "best".
1. SULTAN EDSELE
Your review in another thread "All latex mattress. This is 85% natural Dunlop and a wool/cotton ticking/quilting. This is one of the better Ikea choices (although the latex used is still not of the same quality as a 100% Dunlop produced in a mold by some of the better manufacturers)."
I was surprised how soft it was after all i read about dunlop hardness vs talalay. I actually felt like i was sinking in it and it didn't feel supportive or pain/pressure relieving, actually felt like it was amplifying pain initially. (this was the same experience I had with a 2" memory foam topper that someone gave me as a gift....dont know lb density of foam)
Interestingly, unlike all the others I tried, the longer I laid, the more it seemed to adjust/correct, and after some time the pain seemed to dissipate and became reasonably comfortable. Stated as 7 comfort zones. The price online is 729, but in store was 979!...whats that about?....60 buck delivery charge....dont think they remove your old....free delivery and removal one of the nice things about the mattress chains even though the are clueless on specs and just tryin to hustle they commission.
2. SULTAN ELSFJORD
Your review "All latex mattress.I would avoid this completely because it contains synthetic Dunlop with a synthetics fibers in the quilting/ticking."
This was much firmer and supportive and didn't instantly cause me pain like number 1(edsele). Didn't really notice much difference than the feel of a memory foam mattress. Reasonably supportive and comfortable. Stated as 5 comfort zones. Positive is you can take it with you....no delivery charge
3. SULTAN FJORDGARD
Your review "Polyfoam/Latex hybrid. Very similar to the SULTAN FOSSING except a thicker layer of 80% Synthetic Dunlop latex. I would also avoid this."
This was much firmer and supportive and didn't instantly cause me pain like number 1(edsele). Didn't really notice much difference than the feel of a memory foam mattress. Reasonably supportive and comfortable. Stated 5 comfort zones. 529 online
4. SULTAN HEGGEDAL
Your review " Pocket Coil / Latex hybrid. I would give some consideration to this as a "budget" mattress. Slightly higher coil count, 85% natural Dunlop, Rubberized Coir, and higher quality materials in the ticking/quilting than the less expensive options."
Its almost the opposite experience of number 1). There is an instant positive feeling of support and pain relief, but over time you wonder if comfort is degrading. Reasonably supportive and comfortable. Stated 5 comfort zones. 829 online..60 buck delivery charge
5. SULTAN HOLMSTA
Your review "Pocket Coil / Latex hybrid. I would avoid this. Fairly low coil density pocket coils, low density polyfoam, 80% synthetic Dunlop latex, synthetics in the quilting/ticking."
Didn't notice that much difference with 4), maybe actually more comfy feeling. Reasonably supportive and comfortable. Stated 5 comfort zones. 429 online
My take aways:
1. Its very hard to remain objective. Lots of things sub-consciously sway perception.
2. Harder than I thought to discern major differences even by laying on them for a couple minutes(as opposed to reading specs)...support, comfort, nor temperature.... don't like hot....which is pretty depressing...you would almost have to spend a night on each...which of course you cant do
3. None of the them blew me away like....ooooohhhh that feels good.....want more of that. Didn't happen at value city furniture either....even with their expensive beds.
4. I don't actually hate springs like I thought.... don't know if its just the independent "active coil" or "pocket coil" design, or all springs
5. Cant really discern major differences between solid synthetic latex, and thin synthetic blend layer over foam.
6. I could however discern difference between majority natural dunlop over majority synthetic dunlop. Natural had this more viscous liquid feel that seemed to cradle more and adjust over time.
7. Surprised how soft dunlop can be after descriptions...makes me think talalay may be too squishy for me....will need to try i guess.
8. Couldn't tell difference between 5 comfort zones or 7
9. The highest correlation in positive vibes was to firmness. Numbers 2-4 were "most firm" listed. Numbers 1 and 5 were just "firm" listed. I instantly felt more supported or pain relieved on 2-4. This makes me think knowing and having experience with the IDL or being able to choose the firmness of one or all layers is important. By specs and price you would think number 1 would automatically give the best initial warm and fuzzy....but didn't happen like that due to firmness.
10. Was pleasantly surprised by Ikea. They had hands on cutouts of all their mattresses with explanations on construction and materials. You can exchange as many times as you want for anything in the store over 90 days until satisfied. Way more consumer friendly and transparent than the bed chains I have been to.
Guess now I have to make it out to vienna and merrifield to savvy and americanfoamcenter to try some talalay and 100% natural dunlop.
Is there any way to break in the mattress without giving up more nights of precious sleep? I feel unsafe driving and perform poorly at work without at least a few hours of sleep.
Anyway, thanks for the reply. I placed an order for the BME. If what you say about polyfoam densities is accurate, I'm in the low 200's, so I think the polyfoam core will be sufficient...