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TOPIC: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress

The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 19 Jul 2012 15:51 #1

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I receive many requests for foundation recommendations ... especially for all latex mattresses which are heavier and need a strong and suitable base. There are many different threads on the forum that talk about this so I thought I would amalgamate them into one which gathers all the information together in one place.

This post applies to all foam and latex mattresses (without an innerspring). For more information about foundations vs "active" box springs and the type of mattresses that are most commonly used with each see post #3 here and post #2 here which include more information about the main functions of a foundation or box spring (or other types of support systems such as a solid surface or slatted platform bed).

The first and most simple option is to use the foundation that is recommended by the manufacturer of your mattress. Because the mattress manufacturer knows which type of foundation is suitable for their mattress and meets their warranty criteria ... this can save lots of research and you know that you will have a foundation which the mattress manufacturer themselves knows works well with their mattress. If you do decide to choose an alternative then I would make sure that the foundation and bedframe meets the manufacturer's warranty criteria.

For those who may want to do some research into other options either for reasons of price, function, or because the manufacturer doesn't offer one ... here are some guidelines and choices ....

An all latex mattress generally needs and does best on a strong solid base with enough supportive surface to make sure that it doesn't sink through any gaps and that the base is strong enough and supported on the floor well enough to hold the weight of the latex mattress and the people that sleep on it. Normally a slatted wood base with solid slats that are no more than 3" apart (or preferably less) work best. A metal wire grid base with a non flexing or "semi flex" wire grid with narrow gaps and a strong fabric on top to even out the support surface (to help prevent the latex from sinking in to the gaps in the wire grid surface over the longer term) can also work well but over the longer term may allow the latex to sag into the gaps between the wires. These can either rest on legs that are included and screwed onto the foundation or on a strong suitable steel frame designed to hold a foundation and are widely available. For a mattress that uses a polyfoam base layer which is stiffer and less flexible than latex (won't bend into any gaps as easily) then the manufacturer's recommendations about the number of slats or the gap between them should be followed.

In some cases though ... a more flexible slatted base with closely spaced curved more flexible slats or another type of flexing surface such as a box spring, is also recommended by a manufacturer and can have some advantages as part of a complete "sleeping system". These act like another layer of the sleeping system and will "give" under the heavier parts or pressure points of the body (like the pelvis/hips and shoulders) as long as the mattress on it is thin enough that this bottom "layer" of the sleeping system can affect the feel and performance of the mattress.

Another (generally more expensive) option that is similar to a flexible slatted base is a tension adjustable slatted base which typically uses similar flexible curved slats or another flexible surface that can be adjusted to allow for different tensions or firmness levels in certain areas of the body. This can fine tune the alignment and performance of the mattress and "firm up" the support under the hips or "allow" the shoulders to sink down more. These work best with mattresses that are thin enough for the adjustments to be effective on the surface of the mattress.

A slatted platform bed is also perfectly suitable as long as the slats are spaced close enough together (again 3" or preferably less) and the bed is supported with legs to the floor in the middle (in sizes above a twin) so it doesn't sag. Putting the mattress directly on a bed like this would make a separate base or foundation unnecessary.

Position adjustable bases allow you to raise and lower the head and feet or in higher end models and often include other features such as a vibrating massage, different types of remote controls, and sometimes all kinds of other "bells and whistles". These have many uses and can be desirable for those who work, read, or watch TV in bed or enjoy the other features of the system and can be used for other reasons or even medical conditions that are either helped by or require a non flat sleeping positions for pressure relief, support, or to alleviate some health or medical conditions. These are usually suitable for a latex or any "bendable" mattress as long as the weight limits of the motor are not exceeded. If there is any doubt about the suitability of an adjustable bed for a particular mattress then the recommendations or warranty conditions of the mattress manufacturer should be followed.

There are also foundations which are both position and tension adjustable and include other optional features (such as massage) as well.

Regardless of the type ... a foam mattress generally needs a strong and evenly supportive base (suitable for the materials used in the mattress) with a strong support system that can ventilate and has enough supportive surface area to prevent the latex (or other material) from sinking through any gaps in the foundation.

There are also many people who believe that a solid platform surface such as plywood is also suitable but this reduces the ventilation of the mattress and can increase the risk of moisture in the mattress and lead to the possibility of mold and mildew and even an increased dust mite population in the mattress. While the risk of this is small with latex and other "treated" materials or foams ... I personally prefer options that have the least risk and promote the ventilation of the mattress so I am not one of those who believes that a solid platform base is the best option. For those who have a solid platform foundation then a product such as the slat conversion here or a bed rug like this may be a good idea.

Most bases or foundations also come in various height options which allow the surface of the mattress to be at a certain height. They can be put on a metal frame or on a platform bed or bed frame and many also have attachable legs of various heights to raise them off the floor in which case they don't need to go on anything else as long as in sizes above a twin they have good center support to the floor. In all cases ... the mattress needs to rest on an evenly supportive base which will not sag or weaken over time under the weight of the mattress and the people on it.

There are also some manufacturers who design their all foam mattresses as part of a system for use on an "active" box spring which will change the feel and performance of the mattress compared to a rigid non flexing foundation. This is less common with an all foam or latex mattress and is generally used with innerspring mattresses. These are generally used with a thinner foam mattress and like a flexible slat foundation are designed to be part of the performance of the whole sleeping system. If you have tested a mattress on an "active" box spring, then it's important to be aware that using the mattress on a non flexing foundation (or the other way around) can significantly change the feel and performance of the mattress and a mattress that works well for your body type or sleeping style and positions may no longer be as suitable for you on a different base than the one that you tested in the store.


Some specific examples of each type:


Non flex slatted wood foundations:

KD Foundations:

The most simple, convenient to ship, and often the most economical of these is the KD (knock down) foundation which is shipped in pieces and are assembled at home with very simple instructions. They are mostly good quality but sometimes the quality can be mixed and I have heard a few stories and know of examples where lower quality (with slats that are too far apart or uses inferior or different wood than is advertised) is being shipped or slips through from the manufacturer in which case of course it would need to be replaced. Ordering from a reputable outlet can make sure that any lower quality foundations will be replaced. In the "best" version, they are good value, easy to ship and set up, and cost less than most slatted wood foundations. make sure you know the amount of any gaps between the slats. Some examples include (make absolutely sure that the gaps are less than 3" if you have an all latex mattress because many of these are more) ...

www.mattresses.net/wood-foundations.html. Spruce wood with cover. Gaps are approx 2.5"

www.usboxspring.com/wood.htm Wooden slatted version with a high quality organic cover with slats less than 3" apart in both low (5.5") and regular (9") profile and an organic cotton cover. Ask about waiving the shipping.

www.sleepez.com/foundations.htm (less than 3"gaps). Same as the previous US Box Spring version except free shipping with both high and low profile available.

www.boxspringonly.com/KD_mattress_foundation.htm (just over 3" gaps)

www.michigandiscountmattress.com/box-spring-kd-foundation.htm (just over 3" gaps)

http://www.sears.com/ (Nature's Sleep with a little over 3" gaps)

www.amazon.com/Easy-Fit-Box-Spring-Found...HVDW/ref=pd_sbs_hg_6 (probably over 4" gaps)

www.amazon.com/VersiFlex%C2%AE-Mattress-...T94Y/ref=pd_sbs_hg_3 (probably over 4" gaps).

For those who are looking for a thinner slatted bunkie board there are some options in post #4 here.

For those of you who enjoy DIY projects, one of our forum members has put together a list of materials and detailed instructions for building a very strong low profile king size foundation that bolts together with 6 bolts for about $300 which you will find in post #7 here (thanks Minok).

There is also another very strong 10" DIY foundation design with detailed instructions and a list of materials and costs in this thread as well (thanks Lucky8926).


Higher quality slatted wood foundations:

With wood foundations ... the more wood that is used and the higher quality of the wood and construction that is used ... the more expensive they are. They can also include surface materials such as wool or cotton padding on top which can increase ventilation in the foundation mattress interface, increase support in the foundation "gaps" and provide a softer surface and decrease any possibility of damage to the mattress. Some of these are built like a tank and use two center supports instead of one for higher weight mattress/people combinations. Some examples include ...

www.amazon.com/NATURA-Natura-Universal-F...id=1326765438&sr=1-2

www.amazon.com/Natura-QL96262-Organic-Fo...id=1331272116&sr=1-8

www.pjssleep.com/MATTRESSES/ORGANIC-MATTRESSES/ (Ivy Organics 2", 4", and 7" foundations)

www.shepherdsdream.com/p-29-custom-box-insert-55-height.aspx

www.ahappyplanet.com/store/mattresses/or...mattress_fd_wso.html

www.goodnightnaturals.com/goodnight_wood_foundation.html

www.shepherdsdream.com/c-8-wood-bed-frames.aspx

www.purerest.com/Organic-Mattresses/Foundations

www.flobeds.com/foundation/

www.savvyrest.com/products/foundations/savvy-rest-foundation


Steel grid non flex foundations: I should note here that there are some latex mattress manufacturers who would suggest avoiding these for an all latex mattress because of the risk that the latex will sink into the wires and the gaps between them over the long term and reduce the life of the mattress because of the lack of supporting surface area of these types of foundations. If you do choose one of these for budget reasons for an all latex mattress ... I would suggest using a model with the most possible longitudinal wires and a strong tight fabric cover to provide some support between the wires.

Less expensive options:

There are quite a few manufacturers of a newer type of mostly 14" platform frames which can be folded for shipping and are easy to set up in the home. They are each re-branded into many different names. They all are fairly similar but there are some noticeable differences between them.

Some are quad fold and some bi-fold. Some have add-ons available like headboard and footboard attachments and different rubber corners and feet, and some have covers and bedskirts of various types available. Some also have more longitudinal wires running head to foot than others (the twins seem to run from 5 - 11 wires) or use different gauges of wire. The ones with more wires or closer spacing in the grid would provide more even support and less space in the grid for the mattress to "sag" into. I would only use the versions with the smallest gaps between the wires and a strong fabric on top for an all latex mattress. There are also different weight ratings but they all seem to be able to hold lots of weight. There are also some where the king and queen sizes seem to be missing the longitudinal wires in the middle section which wouldn't offer enough support in this middle area (and which I would avoid). Some examples include ...

11 wires in twin size: www.myluxurymattress.com/foundation-bedframe.html

11 wires: www.usa-beds.com/glideaway_space_saver_frame-25958.aspx

10 wires: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ZQCJVC?tag=theeway155-20

7 wires: www.walmart.com/ip/Spa-Sensations-W-SBBK-T/15739163

6 wires: www.walmart.com/ip/Premier-Platform-Bed-Frame/12082083

L & P folding foundation Example: www.brooklynbedding.com/accessories/foun...ife-metal-foundation


Higher quality wire grid foundations:

The next step up from the more basic wire grid would be some of the wire grid foundations that are supported by a wooden base of different types (a manufacturer can use different bases to support the wire grid). The wires grid systems are often made by made by Leggett & platt or Hickory Springs. They generally have a more evenly supportive surface with various types of grid patterns or use a higher gauge wire and look more like a typical foundation but are usually a little more costly. some examples include ...

www.beddingcomponents.com/simple-life.asp Example: www.brooklynbedding.com/accessories/foun...ife-metal-foundation

www.hickorysprings.com/2008/powerstack.html Example: www.mygreenmattress.com/blog/2013/10/28/powerstack-foundation

www.beddingcomponents.com/semi-flex.asp Example: www.myluxurymattress.com/semi-flex-mattress-foundation.html


Flexible slatted foundations:

These are designed to be part of a sleeping system and use different methods to provide some additional flex under the mattress.

www.shepherdsdream.com/c-9-frames-with-latex.aspx

www.ergosleepsystems.com/mattresses/gree...s-200-foundation.php

www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60160217/ (needs a bed or base to go on)


Tension adjustable flexible slatted foundations:
Some examples include ...

www.sleepworks.com/mattresses/flexible-slat-system

www.flobeds.com/products/7037QU/Foundati...uro-Slat-Foundation/

www.ergosleepsystems.com/mattresses/gree...s-300-foundation.php

www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20125971/ (needs a bed or base to go on)


Position adjustable bases (adjustable beds):

The adjustable bed thread here has some examples and comparisons of some of the more common types and manufacturers of adjustable beds and some sources for each that you can use as a "value reference" for a purchase.


Combinations of flexible, tension adjustable, and position adjustable bases:

Some examples include ...

Roewa Legra

www.axelbloom.com/los-angeles-beds/

www.boydspecialtysleep.com/assets/Specs/...ustableBedFrames.pdf


Slatted platform beds:

Some examples (with a wide range of quality and price) include ...

There are some great DIY instructions here for those who are interested in building their own very solid slatted platform bed at a very reasonable cost.

Another member shared their strong, simple, and low cost platform bed design here.

Some additional platform bed DIY designs are here.

tatamiroom.com/cgi-local/catalog.pl?cate...w=detail&item=TB6382

www.miwafuton.com/data/new%20version/bed..._and_accessories.pdf

www.nymattress.com/ (local NY only ... click platform beds in the side menu)

www.davisworld.com/platform-beds

www.allbeds.com/category/wood-beds/?sort...direction=0&show=all

www.foamorder.com/platformbeds.html

www.thebedworksofmaine.com/Beds/index.htm

www.shepherdsdream.com/c-8-wood-bed-frames.aspx

www.bedcetera.com/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=570 (Canada)

www.furnature.com/bed-frames.html

www.hayneedle.com/bedroom/platform-beds_list_187411

More platform bed choices are in post #7 here.

Many local retailers or manufacturers will also sell you a foundation for a reasonable price (just make sure it is suitable) and a few phone calls to find out may be worthwhile as long as you can verify that the foundation is suitable for your mattress. Big box stores with good refund policies (in case the one you receive isn't suitable) or online shopping portals such as Amazon and Overstock can also be good sources or worth checking for pricing of the various types. The Simmons Triton foundation and the Serta Stabl Base and the Sealy Shock Abzzorber Plus would all be suitable for most mattresses with a polyfoam base layer.

There is also more about steel bedframes to support a foundation or box spring and raise it off the floor in post #10 here.

If you have any doubts about the suitability of a particular choice or want to make sure that it meets the warranty criteria ... always check with the manufacturer of your mattress (or read the warranty) because warranty requirements can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer..

Hopefully this will help sort out most of the foundation, base, frame, bed, and platform options for foam mattresses.

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Last Edit: 23 Oct 2014 22:48 by Phoenix.
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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 15 Aug 2012 01:18 #2

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How much sag is acceptable for the metal wire frames? Should some sort of material be used underneath the bed to protect it from the wires and welding?
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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 15 Aug 2012 02:04 #3

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Hi drog,

When these foundations first came out I was also concerned that an all latex mattress may compress into the gaps between the wires (a polyfoam base is stiffer so wouldn't be an issue). I talked with several manufacturers though who were selling these as an option with their all latex mattresses and apparently there weren't any problems so my concerns appear to have been groundless. I tend to be fairly conservative with these types of things though so I would still recommend the versions with more longitudinal wires (11 is the most I've seen)

The wires are also thicker and stiffer than they appear and there is little to no flex with them. Some of them also come with a cover for esthetic reasons more than anything but there have been no problems that I've heard of using them with the mattress right on top of the wire grid.

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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 15 Aug 2012 12:15 #4

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Thank you. So, a little sag between the wires is OK?
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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 15 Aug 2012 14:20 #5

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HJi drog,

Yes ... it won't be much because of the mattress cover, the spacing of the grid, and because you have a polyfoam support core so the little bit that may happen in the grid is fine. It would even be fine with a latex core.

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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 25 Aug 2012 20:18 #6

Phoenix,

You mentioned another slatted bed base called the Sultan Laxeby, i'm curious about this other one from Ikea www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60125969/#/00125972

It's made from the same materials. I'm planning to use it with a King Size Ultimate Dreams Latex mattress, but i'm unsure of the quality. Though I know that my longboard is made from birch plywood and it holds strong. Also how does a base like this work? Do you just place it on the ground and then the mattress goes on top? I'm confused.
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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 25 Aug 2012 21:31 #7

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Hi TheSleeplessCat,

The Ikea foundation you linked is the Laxeby ... is that the one you meant?

Either way though ... all the Ikea slatted foundations need a bed or base to rest on that gives them more height and keeps them secure and free from movement, sliding around, or falling through the frame. They were all designed to be used with an Ikea bed (such as these) although they may also fit other beds as well (I would measure carefully to make sure and also make sure that they can be firmly secured to the bed). They were not designed to sit on a floor or platform or be used by themselves (although I wish they would make a foundation base instead of just beds where you could choose the one you want and I've suggested this to them).

The tension adjustable slats in the Laxeby can be made firmer or softer in certain areas as a way to "fine tune" the feel and performance of the mattress (for example firmer under the pelvis area to "hold it up" more and softer under the shoulders to allow them to sink in more).

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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 26 Aug 2012 23:58 #8

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Hey Phoenix,

I just purchased a all 100% latex bed from Worleys (thanks the for rec). I just realized that the bed I have is wood slated 3.75 inches apart with center support to the floor. I have purchased a solid foundation (couple inches thick) for my base. My question is do you think this will be capable of supporting my bed? I know that you recommended max 3inches apart for the slats.

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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 27 Aug 2012 01:57 #9

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Hi bitz424,

I'm guessing you mean a bunkie board such as this?

If this is the case then with the bunkie board over the slats you would be fine.

If you wanted a more ventilating and breathable surface for your mattress ... then you could also add more slats or a new slat system where the gaps were closer together and put the mattress directly on the slats.

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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 31 Aug 2012 00:18 #10

I was looking at my existing foundation and it seems to be very sturdy, higher quality wire that is in a wooden frame. Wires in sets of 3 and then a 5 inch gap and then another set of 3, etc. It seems as though it could support a latex bed, but it's 10 years old. Do you recommend I replace it because of it's age?

Also, my current mattress is 12 inches and I was looking at the 6 inch latex mattresses. I don't want to lose 6 inches of height! Maybe a dumb question but....Would it be ok to put a new wooden slat foundation on top of the 10 year old foundation in order to make up for the loss of 6 inches?

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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 31 Aug 2012 01:22 #11

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Hi FavoriteHOMEboy,
I was looking at my existing foundation and it seems to be very sturdy, higher quality wire that is in a wooden frame. Wires in sets of 3 and then a 5 inch gap and then another set of 3, etc. It seems as though it could support a latex bed, but it's 10 years old. Do you recommend I replace it because of it's age?

I'm not sure I "get" what you are trying to describe but if there are 5" gaps across the whole width of the foundation in between the "sets" of 3 wires then I believe this would be too wide a gap for latex. A picture (or an online link to something similar) may help me visualize what you are describing though. The age wouldn't matter as much as the condition and how evenly supportive and rigid it was in all areas of the foundation.
Also, my current mattress is 12 inches and I was looking at the 6 inch latex mattresses. I don't want to lose 6 inches of height! Maybe a dumb question but....Would it be ok to put a new wooden slat foundation on top of the 10 year old foundation in order to make up for the loss of 6 inches?

What is your current foundation sitting on and how much height do you have from the top of your current mattress to the floor? I wouldn't particularly trust two foundations on top of each other in terms of stability or flex but there may be better ways to get closer to the total height you want.

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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 12 Sep 2012 03:04 #12

Hi...I completely agree with you that for buying foam mattress or any other one the most crucial parts are know by the manufacturer only. They know better what suits you the most and what to buy according to requirement. If you want to buy a mattress that will be very comfortable and suit you, ask your manufacturer for any queries.
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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 19 Sep 2012 06:44 #13

I am shopping for a latex mattress but would like to know if it can be placed directly on my current box spring?
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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 19 Sep 2012 11:48 #14

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Hi Gvkauffman,

I'm assuming that by "box spring" you mean a base that actually flexes and has some type of springs in it rather than a foundation which has no flex at all?

Either way though, assuming it is suitable for the mattress, if it is still in "new" condition with no weak, or softer areas or sags, and still has a firm even surface like when it was new it would be OK. Post #2 here may also help.

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Re: The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress 10 Oct 2012 01:18 #15

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Hello all,

A unique foundation carried by www.usboxspring.com/metal.htm was brought to my attention by someone that I trust and respect and I thought it was great value and would bring it to the attention of the forum.

It has a solid steel base (which will probably last decades) and in the original design had flexible slats similar to many European designs. The slats though were too flexible though and didn't provide the kind of solid base that was necessary for a heavy latex mattress so they added flat slats in between the flexible slats to create a very solid non flexing surface.

The beauty of this design with the added slats is that you can add or remove any of the solid slats as necessary to provide some extra flex under certain parts of the mattress to allow it to sink in more (such as under the shoulders) similar to many tension adjustable foundations. This would be particularly useful for thinner all latex mattresses. You can also remove the flexible slats and replace them with solid slats available at any lumber store.

It also is a KD (knock down) design similar to others that you can put together yourself at home in about 15 minutes so it can be shipped anywhere by UPS. It also has a thin fabric (unquilted) cover.

The prices exclude shipping and are a great value for those who want the best of a strong slatted foundation and a flexible slat base that can be customized for where it is firm and where it is softer.

They are available in Twin, Queen, and California King (no Twin XL or Eastern King) and are in limited supply so when they are gone they are gone.

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