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21 Jul 2019 16:18 #1 by grandnexus
I'm looking to buy Talalay Latex Mattress Toppers (Queen), 3" at three different places but the prices between the three are quite different.

Latex Mattress Factory - Here I'm looking to buy 2 Talalay Latex Mattress Toppers, Soft (19 ILD), 3", Queen and one stretch cotton cover (Queen) for a total checkout price of $487.00. Ok, $487 for 2 toppers + a cover.

Mayers Bedding - Looking to buy nearly the exact samething, 2 Talalay Latex Mattress Toppers, Super Soft (14-19 ILD), 3", Queen and one mattress cover for topper (Queen) for a total checkout price of $729.97. Now we got $729.97 for 2 toppers + a cover.

Sleeping Organic - Finally, this place. Same stuff, 2 Talalay Latex Mattress Toppers, Super Soft (14-19 ILD), 3", Queen and one mattress cover for topper (Queen) for a total checkout price of $870.00. Now we got $870.00 for 2 toppers + a cover!!

So, for basically the same thing, we have $487 vs $729.97 vs $870. Can someone explain the wild fluctuations in price???

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22 Jul 2019 09:18 #2 by Arizona Premium
We (Arizona Premium Mattress) are a talalay specialist and have been for over 20 years and work closely with our suppliers for best prices possible. We sell a Queen 3" #19 topper for $298 and that is a great price. That being said "out of spec" latex is available from one of our suppliers and when I see a price like $487 I would make sure that what you are getting is first quality because even I can't sell them that cheap especially with a cover. As for the other vendors well let's just say they probably pay a lot more because their volume is not significant.

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22 Jul 2019 21:28 #3 by grandnexus
Can you elaborate on what "out of spec" means? At Latex Mattress Factory, each 3" Talalay Queen, 19 ILD Topper goes for $209. So for 6" the total is about $418, plus another $100 for a 6" inch cover (all of this is on their website) for a total of about $520.

Obviously this is pretty cheap compared to other places I've seen. I know you don't want to bad mouth another company but if they are being dishonest or misleading in what they sell, I think we have the right to know.

I did call Latex Mattress Factory and they said their latex is 100% natural, so I dunno. Their certification specifies it is for Dunlop, not Talalay so I don't know if that is relevant or not.

Thoughts?

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23 Jul 2019 09:42 #4 by Arizona Premium
I do know who is behind this company, at least I think so and they are honest folks. I will say that nowhere in the description does it say its all natural talalay. What it does say is that it's 100% Talalay which can be misleading if you are not in the industry. Talalay is a process and that process includes blended, which is what they are advertising, and all natural which is considerably more money.

Out of spec means that if the target ILD is #19 then it must test between #18 and #20. If any part of that testing comes up outside those parameters it's marked "out of spec" or "irregular" which are then sold at a huge discount. I'm not saying that's what's happening but the price seems abnormal unless they are comfortable selling at very low margins.

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03 Aug 2019 00:37 - 03 Aug 2019 00:40 #5 by blablabla
The top description doesn't say 100% Natural but below it, it says it is 100% natural twice:

"YOUR HEALTH Latex mattress are hypoallergenic, anti-bacterial, mold and mildew resistant, and are an inhospitable environment for dust mites and bed bugs. Our mattress toppers are 100% Natural Talalay produced with the Talalay process. There’s no polyurethane, no synthetic fillers, and absolutely no surprising compounds."
"YOUR COMFORT Our 100% Natural Talalay latex provides superior support. The Talalay layers contour to your body in all the right places. Latex also helps regulate your body temperature, without trapping heat like standard foams. Latex foam prevents trapping heat by allowing an increased airflow throughout the foam."

After those statements, it would be pretty messed up if it's blended......
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05 Aug 2019 08:25 #6 by Arizona Premium

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05 Aug 2019 13:52 #7 by Latex Mattress Factory.
Our prices are so low for several reasons: we're a true factory direct company; we have outstanding, decades-long relationships with both Talalay Global and Radium, which helps lower our prices; we specialize in DIY mattresses made from raw layers / components and we move very large volumes of raw latex layers, which also helps lower our prices. Just to reiterate, our Talalay is definitely 100% natural Talalay, and I did want to point out that the prices you referenced were actually part of a recent blowout sale.

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25 Nov 2019 09:34 - 25 Nov 2019 09:52 #8 by Misguided_Musings
Not to hijack this thread, but I know others like me search this forum intensely to understand the products. So, I'd like to comment. Prices vary widely for many reasons. Volume purchasing is one, as Ken said. With latex there's usually a dramatic cost difference between synthetic/blended vs natural/organic. Talalay is sometimes more expensive than Dunlop.

In simple terms: If it costs more to produce it a certain way or due to using certain types of ingredients, it is likely to retail for a higher price.

A consumer who cares about the use of eco-conscious production processes which protect natural resources & ensure fairness to developing nations may demand 3rd party certifications. They should understand it is rigorous, time-consuming & expensive for manufacturers to produce latex this way, therefore the cost to the end-user is higher. SOME claim this natural/organic product is healthier.

On the other hand, SOME sources claim synthetic lab-created latex may have a shorter life-span, may be more toxic (ie. To water supply, to humans), may be less consistent in densities. Regardless of whether any of this is true or not, if synthetic ingredients cost less & there are less rigorous production standards, the manufacturer spends less, so he can sell to consumers at a lower price than someone going through the added time & expense of producing certified Organic. I'm not an expert & can't say which is "best".

I don't think there is any intent to mislead the buyer here, however, to be extremely clear, it is NOT possible for 100% of the Talalay foam to be natural latex. It's not even possible for it to be 100% latex for that matter.

But not "100% natural" doesn't mean it's not an extremely impressive product & process. If you read about Radium, they are rigorous in their standards from cradle-to-cradle. They start with pure, natural liquid latex from the tree, not synthetic "lab created".

Regardless, in the Talalay process, in order to transform the liquid into foam, a percentage of other ingredients ARE added. It may be a combo of soap, sulfur, gelling agents, etc. That's why you may have heard there's no such thing as "all natural" or "100% natural" Talalay". It can be confusing.

At the end of the day, we each must decide what our budget is & where we as individuals want to put those dollars. Maybe you prefer organic or Talalay. If those features matters to you, it MAY cost more. If not, no point spending extra. But, do be informed about what exactly you are getting!

I am grateful to the experts and moderators in this forum who advocate transparency in an industry that too often does not want an informed consumer.

These are only my opinions. I hope this is helpful.
Last edit: 25 Nov 2019 09:52 by Misguided_Musings. Reason: Spelling

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