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09 Jun 2013 10:52 #1 by izzy
hi first of all thank you very much for the knowledge you give us with this blind product called mattress now straight to the point what will be the best considered durable mattress for someone who weighs approx. 500lb from support core to comfort layers? no budget issues

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09 Jun 2013 14:28 - 09 Jun 2013 14:37 #2 by Phoenix
Hi izzy,

The first place to start with any mattress research is always post #1 here no matter what your weight or sleeping style (the basic principles are the same). It has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the most suitable choices (and connect with people that make or sell good quality and value mattresses and can provide you with the best possible guidance in terms of materials that would be suitable for your higher weight).

As you can see in post #2 here ... I can only speak to the quality or value of a mattress or help with "how" to choose because there are too many unknowns and variables for anyone to make specific choices for others based only on very limited information.

With your higher weight though the materials and components in a mattress will soften and break down much faster than the norm for other people so it would be particularly important to choose the highest quality and most durable versions of any material you prefer to use in a mattress (whether they are innersprings, memory foam, polyfoam, latex etc). Firmer choices will also be more durable (and feel softer to you than they would for people that are lower in weight because you will sink into them more). You can read more about some of the factors involved in durability in post #4 here .

No matter what your weight or body type ... the combination of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that is most suitable for you is just as important as it would be for anyone else. You will just need firmer and more durable materials and components in the support and comfort layers of a mattress to achieve it than someone else who is lighter. Who you choose to deal with and their knowledge, experience, and integrity can also be one of the most important parts of making the most suitable mattress choice.

If you let me know your city or zip I'd be happy to link you to the better options I'm aware of in your area.

Phoenix

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09 Jun 2013 16:10 #3 by Marlarae3
I also am a heavy person of 300 lbs. I have read that Chuck from Dreamfoam Bedding is in AZ. I would like one of his beds but cannot find him on the Internet as being here. Can you please giive me some contact info for him? I never thouht I would actually be able to try out his beds---only buy blind online Thanks.

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09 Jun 2013 19:36 #4 by Phoenix
Hi Marlarae3,

Their factory is in Phoenix and you can call to make an appointment to test their mattresses if you are local. The Dreamfoam contact number is here and the Brooklyn Bedding contact number is here .

Phoenix

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10 Jun 2013 11:32 #5 by izzy
hi thx for the quick reply I think I didn't ask my question in the right way so will ask again with more detail. I know for any individual there is a diff feel from support and comfort is it a all latex or innerspring or poly or hybrid I also know that the higher the quality the longer the durability. but since for me it does not make a diff what type or hybrid its made of. my only concern is which type or combo will carry the longest my weight

p.s. I think this question represents a lot of people

thank you

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10 Jun 2013 16:26 - 10 Jun 2013 16:32 #6 by Phoenix
Hi izzy,

There are many parts to what makes one mattress more durable than another for a specific person so this is a rather complex and relative question that can't be answered in specific terms. It would depend on the specific design of the mattress as much as the materials themselves and also on how suitable your mattress choice was in terms of comfort and support (particularly support). For example if choose a mattress that is "on the edge" of being too soft for you then even the initial foam softening over the first few weeks could put you over the edge and the mattress may no longer be suitable for you even though the materials would not have worn out yet. In other words it would be "worn out" for you but not for someone else. If on the other hand you choose a mattress that has some "room" for softening and is still suitable for you after it goes through it's initial softening and break in period (first 90 days or so) then further softening would be much slower and it would last you much longer.

There is more information about the many factors involved in durability in post #4 here (and the posts it links to) though that can help you decide whether one mattress or design is likely to be more durable than another. The most durable foam material would be latex and if you are looking for an innerspring then I would choose one that had low gauge (coils 12.5 - 13) and where the springs were connected together with helicals (not pocket coils) and were made to hold higher weights ... and of course used high quality foam on top of the springs as well. Polyfoam in the range or 2.0 lbs or better, memory foam in the range of 5 lbs or better, and latex are all durable materials. Firmer versions of polyfoam and latex will be more durable than softer versions ... especially in the upper layers.

Phoenix

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10 Jun 2013 18:29 #7 by izzy
thx to the respond so I see bottom line latex will be the most durable to carry my weight as best. so my next question is. which type talalay or Dunlop latex? and how should it be layered that it should perform the longest under my weight and also what type of latex 100% nr or blend

sorry for making it complex but since no one in my area has a clue what to offer me when I ask them point blank that im ready to spend $ for the best durable matt it should carry my weight so when I came across this site I noticed that at the end I will take the lead knowing exactly what to ask for

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10 Jun 2013 23:24 - 10 Jun 2013 23:28 #8 by Phoenix
Hi izzy,

thx to the respond so I see bottom line latex will be the most durable to carry my weight as best. so my next question is. which type talalay or Dunlop latex? and how should it be layered that it should perform the longest under my weight and also what type of latex 100% nr or blend


The choice between Talalay and Dunlop is a personal preference and not a matter of "better or worse". You can read a little more about the differences between them in this article and in post #2 here . Because of the higher compression modulus of Dunlop (it gets firmer faster as you sink into it) I would probably lean towards Dunlop because of your greater weight (you won't sink in quite as far as you would with the same softness level of Talalay) but your own experience would be a better guideline because both would be suitable for your weight in the right design and firmness level.

I can only speak to the quality or value of a mattress not to individual comfort choices but post #2 here which I linked earlier includes links to some generic guidelines which may be helpful. Your own testing and experience is the best way to choose both the type of latex, the firmness level, and the design of the mattress and will be more accurate than any "theory at a distance" I could provide.

sorry for making it complex but since no one in my area has a clue what to offer me when I ask them point blank that im ready to spend $ for the best durable matt it should carry my weight so when I came across this site I noticed that at the end I will take the lead knowing exactly what to ask for


I also place a high value on the knowledge and experience of the retailer or manufacturer you are dealing with and there may be some better options in your area that you don't know about (unless you've found the closest list to your area on the forum already). If you let me know your city or zip I'd be happy to let you know of any I'm aware of.

Phoenix

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11 Jun 2013 08:56 - 11 Jun 2013 09:27 #9 by izzy
thx to your respond and help to clear this out as I see I will ask that for the support it should be from Dunlop process so I remain with 3 questions #1 when you say Dunlop which version do you have in mind 100% natural or blend? #2 should it be from the highest ild to perform the longest? #2 regarding the comfort layers should it be as well from Dunlop to perform the longest?

phoenix as you see from all my posts that im strictly focusing on one thing that's durability under my weight. so if that is the case it does not matter for me not the type not the feel not the personal preference the issue is here strictly which concept will hold up the longest

now according to your responds and links putting aside any personal preferences I got the feeling that the best durable material for support and comfort to hold up a load is from higher ILD made thru Dunlop process if this is correct can you pls guide me a place in Brooklyn N.Y. where I will be able to get help with this?

thx so much
Last edit: 11 Jun 2013 09:27 by izzy. Reason: forgot to add 1 question

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11 Jun 2013 15:55 #10 by Phoenix
Hi izzy,

thx to your respond and help to clear this out as I see I will ask that for the support it should be from Dunlop process


Any type of latex could provide the support you need depending on its firmness. I would just make sure that your testing included Dunlop because it is a more dense material that gets firmer faster which in some designs can be useful. I would avoid a tendency to try to "pick" the best version of latex or think in "should and shouldn't" terms as far as material .. they are just different and which is more suitable for you would depend on the design and layering of the mattress ... and on your preferences ... not just on the type of latex used.

#1 when you say Dunlop which version do you have in mind 100% natural or blend?


The post I linked talked about 100% natural Dunlop and both blended and 100% natural Talalay latex. All of these would make a good choice. Again I would avoid the temptation to think in terms of "better or worse" terms for latex when you are choosing between these three. They would all make a very good choice. Even blended Dunlop can also make a good and very durable choice that is less costly and more suitable for lower budgets but I wouldn't go below a 50/50 blend in Dunlop.

#2 should it be from the highest ild to perform the longest?


In the same type of material and if all other things are equal ... then a higher ILD will be more durable than a lower ILD yes. Of course an ILD that is too high (particularly in the comfort layers) may make the mattress unsleepable for you.

#2 regarding the comfort layers should it be as well from Dunlop to perform the longest?


Again ... as you can read in the post I linked ... in the higher ILD's that would be more appropriate for your weight ... I don't differentiate between the 3 types of latex I mentioned in terms of durability. They are a preference choice not a "better worse" or durability choice.

now according to your responds and links putting aside any personal preferences I got the feeling that the best durable material for support and comfort to hold up a load is from higher ILD made thru Dunlop process


I hope you didn't get that impression from my response and from the post I linked (it certainly didn't say this). I wouldn't differentiate between them in terms of durability in higher ILD's.

can you pls guide me a place in Brooklyn N.Y. where I will be able to get help with this?


The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the NYC area are listed in post #2 here and there is also a more categorized list with more detailed descriptions of some of them in post #7 here .

Phoenix

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