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14 Sep 2012 03:28 #76 by beth819
Hi Phoenix!

How are you? So, I am finally ready to purchase a new mattress! I just got a new job and I said the first thing that I am going to do is buy a bed lol. I even put the order in with sleepez, but then when he told me the total I must have gotten my figures wrong because that wasn't the price that I was expecting. I would've bought it but I couldnt justify paying that much for something that I have to put together myself and possibly pay even more to do layer exchanges, etc.

Anyway, I talked to the first manufacturer that I went to, comfort custom, and I asked him if they got in any softer ILD's than the last time that I was there and he said they now have 22 and 24! So I am going to go in there next week. I went back through this thread to jog my memory of what I've tried and what I liked, but I wanted to see if you could help me with what I should try when I'm there. I know that I was ready to buy the Nature's rest if there was a return policy, and that was the 1"19, 2"24, and 7" of 36, so should I just try 3"24 and 6"36? I also can't remember if it was actually 7" of 36 or if it was an inch of polyfoam on the bottom. If there was, do I say I want that on the bottom or just say 6" of 36? I was also thinking since he doesnt have 19 if I should ask for 1" of 22 on top of 2" of 24 or not even bother since you said that the 1" of anything is insignificant. Then I was thinking maybe I should try 3" of 22 instead of 24 in the comfort layer, but I'm not sure if that's going to be too soft? I'm just trying to brainstorm which combinations I want to try before I go in there since the last time I did this it was SO confusing and I just want to get something already lol! So, if you could offer any suggestions on what I should do that would be great. I know that only I can feel what I like, but it's almost like I need a refresher before I go do this again lol.

Thanks!
Beth

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14 Sep 2012 13:47 - 14 Sep 2012 13:53 #77 by Phoenix
Hi beth819,

If you are testing mattresses in person ... I wouldn't pay too much attention to ILD numbers ... at least till after you had tested them. I would use what your body tells you as the guide. There is no "wrong or right" ILD for anyone ... only a mattress that provides you with PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences). If you lay on a mattress that is too firm or too soft in either the comfort or support layers the person who is helping you will usually know what to do in terms of making it softer or firmer. While the ILD's can be helpful as a reference (such as using what you are testing as a guideline for testing or a purchase elsewhere) or as an approximate starting point ... they are not that important for a local purchase except perhaps to "rule out" some outlets who you know don't have latex in the range you want (for example if your testing tells you that you like 24 ILD latex in the comfort layers you probably wouldn't want to take the time to text a mattress that used 6" of 36 ILD). So start your testing with something that is "in the range" of what you may like without paying too much attention to the ILD ... then if you need to ... find out the ILD that "works" for you or seems to be "close" to use as a very general reference point for testing elsewhere if you need it (taking into account that trying to "build" a mattress by specs instead of your testing experience doesn't take into account the many smaller differences that can have a big effect on how a mattress feels and performs for you).

If the SleepEz (or other similar online manufacturers) prices for an all latex mattress are out of your budget range ... then it's quite likely that a local purchase for a similar mattress will be as well. In this case ... if you are looking for the "feel" of latex in the comfort layers but "all latex" is out of your price range ... it may be a good idea to include latex hybrids (latex over an innerspring or latex over polyfoam) in your search as they will be a lower cost option.

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21 Sep 2012 17:06 #78 by beth819
Thanks Phoenix, I went back to him but I just couldnt find anything I liked, he didn't have 3"of 24 so he had me try 4" of 24 and 2" of 24 but I didn't like either. I don't know what to do at this point. I actually have a dumb question lol: I wanted to try the pure latex bliss again and I called a couple of mattress xpress that carries them, and they are being accquired by mattress firm so everything is a must go thing. They have the romance and one store said they'd sell it to me for $1300, another store said $2000 but once I told him what the other store said he said he'll match it, but they don't compete with each other so I should buy it from them because it's a great deal and pretty much at cost. The only problem is all the stores only have floor samples left. Is it disgusting to buy a floor sample? My initial thought is yes and while that is an unheard of price, I don't know that I could buy a floor sample. But I thought I'd ask the expert anyway lol.

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21 Sep 2012 17:37 - 21 Sep 2012 17:38 #79 by Phoenix
Hi beth819,

They have the romance and one store said they'd sell it to me for $1300, another store said $2000 but once I told him what the other store said he said he'll match it, but they don't compete with each other so I should buy it from them because it's a great deal and pretty much at cost


The Romance is the equivalent of the PLB Nature and at $1300 would certainly be very good value for a 10" all Talalay latex mattress although of course being a floor model it should be lower than a new mattress (just like a "demonstrator" for a car or any other slightly "used" or "demonstrator" product). I don't know what size you are looking at or whether it is a mattress only or a set so the "value" of this would depend on size and what came with it but if I remember right you were looking at a queen in which case this still wouldn't be at cost (even for the set) although their profit would be much less than normal or course.

The only problem is all the stores only have floor samples left. Is it disgusting to buy a floor sample? My initial thought is yes and while that is an unheard of price, I don't know that I could buy a floor sample. But I thought I'd ask the expert anyway lol.


This would depend on each person and some would be fine with it and would happily "trade off" the much lower price for a floor model while others would be much more hesitant or even not consider it at all. This would be entirely up to each individual person and how they felt. The good news of course is that a floor model hasn't been slept on overnight or used in more "personal" circumstances but of course some people just aren't comfortable with knowing that their mattress has been used at all by "unknown" people even in a showroom testing environment.

Phoenix

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21 Sep 2012 23:43 #80 by beth819
Lol, thanks. I just can't bring myself to by a floor model. I called a few other mattress xpress to see if any had a new one, and one location can get me a new one (queen) for $1800 with the set and delivery. Another location said 3000. I have a feeling I can talk him down especially if I say the other store was at $1300, so I can go in person and see.

My final option was a local manufacturer I forgot was on the list, de mattress, and I spoke to her by phone about what I like. When I said 19 ILD she said they only use that for pillows?? Then she said they can do 24 and 36, but she recommends only 2" of 24 because 3" is going to be too soft, and then told me this story about a customer who has fibromyalga and insisted on 3" of 24 and then it was too soft and she told her that they would take a layer out but the woman didn't want to because she already paid for the extra layer and was going to just deal with it. So the woman told me to start at 2" and then they can always add another layer for an additional $100, but that it's going to be more expensive if I start with 3" and want to take a layer out after. I don't like these certain manufacturers that don't listen to me and what I've already tested a bunch of times and insist that they know better than how it "feels" to me just because they make/sell mattress. I mean I thought that was what major manufacturers do, not local. It just makes me not want to buy a bed from someone like that, especially since all the local ones only have 24 ILD. Is that true that 19 ILD is only used in pillows??

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22 Sep 2012 02:02 - 22 Sep 2012 02:04 #81 by Phoenix
Hi Beth819,

Lol, thanks. I just can't bring myself to by a floor model. I called a few other mattress xpress to see if any had a new one, and one location can get me a new one (queen) for $1800 with the set and delivery. Another location said 3000. I have a feeling I can talk him down especially if I say the other store was at $1300, so I can go in person and see.


That's a good price for a new Nature queen set delivered and if the floor model doesn't work for you it would be well worth considering IMO. There are probably quite a few outlets that are looking to turn over the older versions so that they can stock the new ones. You can see the price here for a queen mattress only is much more and there are other outlets which list them for more yet.

When I said 19 ILD she said they only use that for pillows?? Then she said they can do 24 and 36, but she recommends only 2" of 24 because 3" is going to be too soft, and then told me this story about a customer who has fibromyalga and insisted on 3" of 24 and then it was too soft and she told her that they would take a layer out but the woman didn't want to because she already paid for the extra layer and was going to just deal with it. So the woman told me to start at 2" and then they can always add another layer for an additional $100, but that it's going to be more expensive if I start with 3" and want to take a layer out after.


There is "some" truth to what she is saying but there is also some rather 'strange" information included in her comments as well. Many of the PLB mattresses use 19 ILD latex in the comfort layers and they certainly aren't pillows :). Many other manufacturers also use it in their comfort layers (Jamison is another one for example).

While there are many manufacturers who hesitate to use 19 ILD latex because it is quite soft ... especially in thicker layers ... and 24 ILD is generally considered "soft" ... it's also true that each person's needs and preferences can be very different and each person has their own sense of what is soft or firm. How soft a mattress feels will also depend on the softness firmness of the layers under the comfort layers.

So it may be worth testing what they have because when I talked with them they seemed to have fairly good value but I would also make sure that you listen to your body and not just their "theory" which may not fit your circumstances or needs.

I don't like these certain manufacturers that don't listen to me and what I've already tested a bunch of times and insist that they know better than how it "feels" to me just because they make/sell mattress. I mean I thought that was what major manufacturers do, not local. It just makes me not want to buy a bed from someone like that, especially since all the local ones only have 24 ILD. Is that true that 19 ILD is only used in pillows??


There are many manufacturers who will give advice that they genuinely believe is good and for many or even most it may be (too firm is always safer than too soft for example) but there are also others that fall outside of "averages", have lower body weights, or like yourself just want something softer than the norm for other reasons and I agree with you that a "theory" shouldn't take precedence over what a person has come to know works best for them. And just to confirm again ... 19 ILD is used in the comfort layers of many mattresses and would be considered "plush" while 24 ILD is normally considered "soft" (you can see the Latex International rating scale here ). There are even some mattresses that use 14 ILD "ultra plush" although this is very soft but the PLB 2" and 3"toppers are in this range and many people add them to their mattress and a mattress topper isn't a pillow either.

Phoenix

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Last edit: 22 Sep 2012 02:04 by Phoenix.

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22 Sep 2012 16:07 #82 by beth819
Haha yeah she sounded weird especially when the first comment out of her mouth was, 19 ILD is only used for pillows!

Anyway, I called the other company that carries PLB down here which is Z mattress, and the location by my house said he can beat mattress xpress price, before I even told him what the price was. He asked if it was less than $2000 and I said yes, and told him $1800 and he said he can do $1700 and if I come in and test it and like it, he'll call his boss and can do it for $1600. That is a crazy price right?? I will go buy it tomorrow, but it just sounds too good to be true so of course I'm automatically thinking what is wrong with them/are they a shady company or something lol. I can't even find a website for them, but I have been in a few stores of their's in south florida. He even said he'd let me go past the 90 day trial if I wasn't happy, etc. I guess I'm just hesistant after being on this site for so long not to trust the major manufacturers lol. What do you think? And unlike mattress xpress, they aren't being taken over by another company (mattress firm) or anything, so I think I'd rather buy from them for that reason too.

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22 Sep 2012 17:38 - 22 Sep 2012 17:44 #83 by Phoenix
Hi beth819,

While I couldn't find a website for Z mattress either, they are listed in vaarious places in a google search and they are listed on the PLB site as well so at least they are an official PLB dealer. I also talked with them briefly and they (the salesperson I talked with who seened to know a fair bit about the industry) told me that their website was "zmattress.com" but that went to a retailer in California so I guess they don't have a site after all.

They do seem to be very aggressive with their pricing and they did confirm that they carry the PLB along with a couple of other "better value" brands (Corsicana and Nature's Sleep) besides the major brands they carry (which I would ignore) so it appears that if you made a purchase there you would at least be buying the PLB from an official dealer.

They also told me that they are a private company that was started by a 30 something year old entrepreneur about 5 years ago in Hialeah and they now have multiple locations around South Florida so they have done fairly well for themselves.

I also think that $1600 for the Nature queen set is a very good price yes although it's not "at cost" so there is still a smaller profit in it for them (which of course there should be).

Phoenix

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22 Sep 2012 18:20 #84 by beth819
Wow, thanks for calling them! Do you know what location that was? I'm going to go to the hollywood one, since it's closer. Do you think they are being aggressive with their prices because of the new models coming out? Is there even a difference? Or is just that they are trying to sell the old ones to make room for the new? Either way, that's the one I liked anyway so it doesn't matter to me if there's a newer model. I mean it's high quality latex, how different can it be right? Thanks again, can't wait to get it!

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23 Sep 2012 00:24 - 23 Sep 2012 00:24 #85 by Phoenix
Hi beth819,

I just picked one of the locations from google to phone ... I think it was the South Miami location though.

I think that aggressive pricing is part of their business model. He told me that the PLB's they had on the floor were the new ones and that they've been carrying them for about a month but I don't know if that's the case with all the outlets or if the price you were quoted was for any old versions they may have left.

Part of it too may be the Mattress Firm buyout of Mattress Xpress so they are clearing out some models that they won't be carrying as Mattress Firm so the Zmattress price may just be for competitive reasons during the transition as well.

Either way ... it's good for you :)

Phoenix

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