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Memory Foam with the cooling technology question 20 Apr 2012 14:47 #1

In regards to the Memory Foam Mattresses with the airholes. Are these a good quality? Also, how do you feel about buying a bed on Ebay?

-Kevinn reg

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Re: Memory Foam with the cooling technology question 20 Apr 2012 15:20 #2

Hi kevintravers,

In regards to the Memory Foam Mattresses with the airholes. Are these a good quality?


This would depend on who made the memory foam (is it certified) and on knowing the density of the memory foam. The single biggest factor in the quality of memory foam is the density. Airholes are one method of making memory foam a little cooler by encouraging greater airflow but there are different applications of this and some are better and some are worse (laying on top of an airhole and blocking it off does little to promote airflow unless the air has another way to escape).

Also, how do you feel about buying a bed on Ebay?


In most cases I would be very hesitant unless I knew the details of the seller (beyond just ebay feedback) and the real source of what they were selling. There is usually no way to really validate the seller or the source of what is being sold on ebay and I don't think that most people could really tell the difference between defective, used, returned product, or factory seconds from new product in the short term or by a visual inspection. If price is the only consideration and someone is willing to "roll the dice" on quality or source ... then ebay may be a good way to go. In the same way ... some people are OK with buying a used mattress (although I'm not). Many ebay products are misdescribed and there is no way to really for certain unless you know the source and you know and trust the person who is telling you where they came from.

In most cases I would be very hesitant to buy there unless the "unknowns" were an acceptable part of my "value equation" or unless I had reliable information about the vendor and the product source.

PS: I saw this was posted twice so I deleted the second one :)

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Re: Memory Foam with the cooling technology question 20 Apr 2012 17:56 #3

This is the mattress I was referring to in regards to the airholes. cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160785241254&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Does this appear to be good quality to you?

However my wife and I absolutely loved the icomfort mattress when we laid on it at a JC Penny store. What is the best alternative at the best price. I really like the gel foam.

-Kevin

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Re: Memory Foam with the cooling technology question 20 Apr 2012 18:14 #4

Is this mattress a close match to that of the icomfort mattress. I found this on overstock. Please let me know if you think it is a good deal and what you think about it

www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Splendorest-TheraGel-8-inch-Queen-size-Gel-Memory-Foam-Mattress-In-A-Box/6585077/product.html

Thank you

Kevin

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Re: Memory Foam with the cooling technology question 20 Apr 2012 20:59 #5

Hi Kevin,

This line in the description says everything that I would need to know to not consider this mattress at any price

Density: 2-inch top layer of 2.5 pound density TheraGel memory foam, 6-inch base layer of 1.5 pound density foam


The "gel foam" on top is the worst I have seen (memory foam with gel particles that is the lowest density I have seen yet) and the base polyfoam (1.5 lb density) is also lower than I would consider with lower quality comfort layers.

It in no way compares or is even close to either the quality or design of the iComfort (which is a much superior mattress even though I don't think it has particularly high quality components or good value for its price range either) and unless you are looking at a "throwaway" type mattress and have absolutely no expectations of longevity I personally would not consider it. To be blunt ... I would call this "junk" and the price for me would be no bargain because I wouldn't spend this much on something that was that low quality. "Mattress-in-a-box" is a registered trademark of Zinus and this is probably one of their lowest quality offerings.

This is the mattress I was referring to in regards to the airholes. cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&a...e=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Does this appear to be good quality to you?


This is another cheap Chinese memory foam mattress but I don't know any of the specs (except the 4 lb memory foam density) or whether the foam is certified or whether the 4 lb density is the actual memory foam density or the filled density (meaning that many manufacturers add heavier materials to their memory foam which gives it a false density and reduces the durability of the material). I do know however that Sarah Peyton mattresses are widely available at dozens of merchants that sell cheap Chinese memory foam mattresses and if I wanted to buy one (which I wouldn't) I would pay a few dollars more and buy it from an outlet that I knew and was familiar with (such as Amazon for example) rather than from an unknown ebay merchant. Mattresses like these without more specific information are a complete roll of the dice and reading the feedback gives a clear indication that depending on the person and your tolerances for the mattress softening you may be looking at a lifespan measured in months.

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Re: Memory Foam with the cooling technology question 20 Apr 2012 21:46 #6

Can you tell me what is the closest mattress to the icomfort with a much cheaper price tag please

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Re: Memory Foam with the cooling technology question 21 Apr 2012 04:25 #7

Hi Kevin,

Can you tell me what is the closest mattress to the icomfort with a much cheaper price tag please


Unfortunately it really isn't possible for someone else to know which mattress may feel like one of the iComfort lineup (which has a range of very different mattresses) for you because each person interacts with and perceives each mattress very differently depending on the many variations of height, weight, body shape, and sleeping positions and which of the mattress layers contribute the most to what you are feeling. The only way to know for sure is through your own personal testing. Even then though it is usually better to test for what I call PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Preferences) rather than trying to exactly duplicate another mattress from memory. If a mattress provides you with the pressure relief and alignment you need and you like the way it feels and responds and it has good value, then that would be my choice.

The easiest way to find the mattress that is best for you is to first find the local outlets which are most likely to have the best value and the knowledge to help you make the best selection inside your budget. These are usually factory direct outlets which make their own mattresses or local sleep shops that carry smaller local or alternative brands. If you let me know the city you live in I'd be happy to take a look to see if I know of any that may be within a reasonable distance.

If there are no local outlets with the value or choices that work for you, ... then it would probably be worth the risk of looking at online outlets. The best way to do this is to use your local testing on mattresses with known layering as a guideline for your purchase. If you can describe the layering of the local mattress you prefer and the specifics of how it felt to you in terms of PPP, and if you choose an online outlet that is good at matching your needs and preferences and testing results to one of the mattresses they make, then your odds of online success go up dramatically. Without dealing with someone who has this knowledge and will give you accurate information about the materials in the mattresses they make ... an online purchase can be quite risky in terms of long term satisfaction.

I would also not set up an expectation that a very low budget mattress will duplicate the quality or feel or durability of a better quality mattress except perhaps for a very short time. Low quality materials can make a very comfortable mattress initially or in a showroom ... they just don't usually stay that way for very long. I see dozens if not hundreds of online outlets trying to compare their low budget and clearly lower quality mattresses to Tempurpedic for example and trying to convince people how much they will save for the "same" mattress when this is just not the case. While it's certainly possible to buy a mattress that has similar quality to Tempurpedic at lower prices ... these are not found in a budget range of a few hundred dollars.

Some better value online choices for memory foam mattresses are in post #12 here .

The other option is to choose a mattress that seems suitable for you from a big box store such as WalMart, Costco, or Sams Club that has a great return policy. This way you can return it if you don't like it and try another option without any risk (with many low cost mattresses ... the cost of shipping it back for a refund if you don't like it can be almost as much as the mattress itself and is often prohibitive.

Overall though ... the best odds of success are with a high quality local manufacturer or sleep shop if there is one close by. A foam shop that sells polyfoam and memory foam and will put together the layers you prefer and put a mattress cover around it can also be a good lower budget choice with good value.

Phoenix
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Re: Memory Foam with the cooling technology question 21 Apr 2012 16:15 #8

I actually have a memory foam mattress/system from rockymountain mattresses. I can say that theirs are not so good. The reason why is they send it in pieces. I like the mattress to be all one. The one I have is a system with different layers. The cover is holding it together, and it moves and also is not so comfortable. I would not recommend separate pieces. I thought I read something you posted that was from costco that compares to the icomfort. Could you send me the ones that are closest from the warehouse stores such as costco.

Thanks,

Kevin

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Re: Memory Foam with the cooling technology question 21 Apr 2012 17:44 #9

Hi kevintravers,

Rocky mountain actually uses very good quality materials in their mattresses and have good value. My own personal preference with an online purchase would be to use exchangeable layers where possible (unless you know exactly what you want) so that the risk of an online purchase can be reduced and the mattress can be fine tuned but I also understand that this is part of a tradeoff and may not be other people's preference as glued layers have their own set of advantages and disadvantages. This is not a matter though of how "good" the mattress is as much as how well it fits your personal needs and preferences.

Costco certainly has mattresses that have better value than the iComfort IMO and they also have options that would work well in terms of pressure relief and alignment for different people but they would be different from the iComfort in terms of how they felt because they use different materials and different layering.

You may be referring though to the Novaform which also uses a lower quality version of the gel memory foam that is made by the same company as the gel memory foam in the Serta (Sleep Innovations). For some people it may feel similar to one of the softer iComfort models but the materials used are lower quality which of course is also offset by a lower price.

Sams Club also sells the iComfort with a $200 gift card, a gel memory foam mattress that is Serta Branded made by Sleep Innovations, and a Night Therapy gel memory foam mattress that also uses a gel particle version of memory foam. While only the iComfort would be "like" the iComfort ... I think it would be fair to say that the different prices would reflect the different quality of materials used even though in most cases they don't provide any specs. for some people some of these lower prices versions may feel similar to one of the iComfort models.

With the lack of specific information about these mattresses ... the reviews may give you at least some sense of what they feel like although like most reviews it's clear that one persons "soft" is another's "firm" and how people describe the same mattress varies greatly.

Phoenix
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Re: Memory Foam with the cooling technology question 22 Apr 2012 20:44 #10

Thank you for your replies. I saw this on the internet and would like to get your opinion:

www.olejostores.com/eclipse_victoria_10_inch_gel_infused_memory_foam_mattress-23724.aspx


Thanks!

Ps - is Bragada a reputable company. I found them to be pretty good as well.

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