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05 Aug 2012 01:26 #1 by austinsoul2012

Hi all,

Wonderful information from so many here, in particular Phoenix who's invaluable experience and recommendations are helping so much with finding an adjustable bed for my father in home care. My dad sleeps on his right side 60%, which positions his abdominal catheter in an ideal location for drains and fills of dialysate (dialysis solution). However, he also suffers from edema in his feet and needs to raise his feet as he sleeps on his back (40% of the time). He never sleeps on his stomach, and so I thought an adjustable bed would be perfect since I could situate it in our living room and he can be raised up to watch TV, read a book and eat a snack.

Like many, early on I was SO convincingly sold on the L&P adjustable foundations (esp. S-Cape) that it was a near slam dunk purchase; I just needed to find a local retailer who had one in stock. But after reading the greater praise for the Reverie Deluxe and Ergo 400 models, I've changed my mind. My understanding is that the Reverie Deluxe has all the features offered by the L&P S-cape and Ergo 400, but it does them better, yes? So if I may, I'd like to outline what my plan of attack might be:

1. buy a Reverie Deluxe foundation online, likely from olejostores.com , adjustablebeds.org or whoever has it the cheapest.
2. buy a LATEX mattress, firm (since my dad prefers firm mattresses) from a non-brand via online or local business

Does anyone know of a terrific local Austin business from which I can purchase a good latex bed? I'd really appreciate any recommendations.

BTW, does the Reverie Deluxe NOT have programmable positions? I know the Leggett & Pratt S-cape does. Such a feature would make it easier to immediately put my father in a preset position (head and feet) that's ideal for him.

I would love any criticism and/or suggestions from anyone who owns or is looking to purchase an adjustable bed. Such information really is hard to find online.

Thanks!

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05 Aug 2012 03:09 #2 by Phoenix

Hi austinsoul2012,

Does anyone know of a terrific local Austin business from which I can purchase a good latex bed? I'd really appreciate any recommendations.


Post #2 here has the better Austin options and I would say Bob at SleepWorld qualifies as "terrific" in terms of quality, value, and his knowledge and commitment to his customers. His latex mattress selection is also great.

My understanding is that the Reverie Deluxe has all the features offered by the L&P S-cape and Ergo 400, but it does them better, yes?


The Reverie is the same or better in most of its functions and the price is usually less so together the "value" would normally be better (depending on the price that was available of course). The head raises a little higher and the massage functions were a little better in my testing.

The Reverie has 2 "set" positions which are zero gravity, reading/working (head high with very slight leg elevation) in addition to flat. Reverie has also released a new remote control for the Deluxe which has 3 pre-set positions and 2 programmable positions and sells for $150.

The Ergomotion 400 has 1 set position which is zero gravity and flat.

The L&P S-Cape (equivalent to the Reverie deluxe and the Ergomotion 400) has 3 set positions which is zero gravity, reading/working, and leg elevation as well as a "capture" button which will "capture" a position and a function (if it's operation) and then a second button will recall this combination, The combination of pre-sets and the capture button is one place where the L&P Scape is slightly superior (at least without the Reverie upgrade).

The top L&P model the Prodigy has several features that are not available on the others but is significantly more expensive as well.

- It has 4 settings to capture any combination of position and function. Factory pre-sets are 1 for sleep (flat) and 3 for snore (head elevated 7 degrees) but all 4 can be programmed. There is also a separate flat button.

- It has a 30 minute or 60 minute sleep timer which can use any of the pre-sets and then return automatically to the 1 (sleep) position.

It has an LED display for time or time remaining on the sleep timer.

It has an wakeup alarm which can use an alarm or a wave massage.

So if these functions are important then the L&P may be worth the extra price.

Hope this helps

Phoenix


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05 Aug 2012 04:09 #3 by austinsoul2012

Thank you Phoenix; really appreciate the long reply. A few days ago, I did browse through Bob Guerin's Sleepworld site and thought it would be ideal to purchase from a local business, and I'll seriously consider getting a latex mattress from him. I did notice a few poor reviews on Yelp that complained about him and his rather direct, curt treatment of customers, but not many could fault his product.

BTW Phoenix, is there a particular online retailer that you favor for adjustable bed foundations? I mentioned olejostores and adjustablebeds.org, but perhaps you've had a great experience elsewhere? I would be tempted to buy local to support businesses here and for the locality of warranty support, but the prices do seem rather prohibitive (L&P only at sleepworld, and ergo-tempurpedic at urbanmattress).

The need for an adjustable bed now comes even more urgent, as my father has been stubbornly sleeping on a too-soft, lumpy microfiber sofa for the past 4 years, and now after all the cumulative discomfort and constant pain, he's finally agreed to try something better. It's been a constant fight, believe me. I've gotta get the ball rolling asap before he changes his mind and I'm so grateful for the wealth of info here. :)

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05 Aug 2012 04:47 - 11 Jun 2014 13:04 #4 by Phoenix

Hi austinsoul2012,

Bob does have some strong opinions ... but on the other hand he's usually right when it comes to mattresses :). I was talking to a manufacturer in Houston at one point who told me that Bob knows more about latex than anyone he knows (which was the reason I originally called him). I kind of like people who are more direct and I've enjoyed my conversations with him although I know that some people have more difficulty with people who are more direct. There are a lot of "old timers" who make mattresses and aren't always as diplomatic as they could be. Having said all that ... there is some very good value on his site. His prices for his talalay latex mattresses in particular are very good.

Olejo (and their many other sites including adjustablebeds.org) are among my pricing reference points for adjustable beds (see post #6 here ). I have also talked with them (mostly Daniel but the others as well) on many occasions and their service is great (NOTE: this may have changed since they were purchased by Mattress Firm). I bought my own adjustable bed (Reverie Deluxe) there. When it was delivered there was some shipping damage and they had had a new one out in record time and with no hoops to jump through. Their prices are generally among the best on the web and they also have a very wide selection of adjustables from different manufacturers.

Phoenix


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07 Aug 2012 19:52 - 07 Aug 2012 19:53 #5 by austinsoul2012

Hi Phoenix and all,

Thanks for the advice on visiting SleepWorld in Austin, TX; my parents and I visited with Mr. Guerin and he was a terrific guy to chat with. It was a very pleasant, informative, no-pressure-to=buy experience! I also appreciated his direct approach with us too, which he smilingly said comes from his upbringing in New York (Bronx). You can tell he really knows his products and takes pride in his work. I think Mr. Guerin found it amusing that, thanks to all the research I've gathered over here, I started quickly spouting facts about the adjustable bed foudations and latex grades trying to convince my father about the benefits of adjustable beds. Mr. Guerin laughed a bit and chided me, saying "hey, let me be the salesperson here, will ya?" We all had a good laugh about that and of course I let him do the selling. :)

Mr. G was straight up about everything, including what we initially thought were rather high costs. I kinda knew that was going to be the case, and so when my mom and dad's jaws dropped at the prices, I nodded my head to them, reassuringly. I think my parents are still remembering previous days of getting cheap coil mattresses from the local Sears store, hehe.

Anyways, let's get right to the products and testing...

The first bed my dad tried was a twin XL latex mattress consisting of 9-inches of dunlap on an L&P S-cape, which Mr. G described as being organic/organic. It was firm, comfortable for dad, and you could see the care taken in its manufacture. You could also see it in it's price: $2,000! The S-cape base/foundation itself was $900 (which is, IMO, very competitive with olejostore prices), but the mattress, wow. That comes to $2,900 as a set. Mr. G did mention that, since my dad needs an adjustable bed for his dialysis treatments, a prescription from his nephrologist would make the purchase tax-free (at least in TX), so that helps a bit. But still, $2,000 for a twin XL (not incl. base) seems a bit much.

Mr. G then showed us a second choice -- another twin XL latex mattress with 6-inches of latex, this time a bit softer than the first one. I'm not sure what kind of latex was in it, except that it was not organic but also seemed quite good. It came to $1,000 , which was more reasonable, although still a bit of a surprise to my folks. Mr. G stated that a softer mattress like this second one did in fact provide better blood circulation and might avert bed sores more effectively than the harder, stiffer first one. However, my father loves lying on hard surfaces (even though he's a side-sleeper) and he still liked the first 9-inch latex mattress. He kept insisting that the feel for him was best on mattress #1.

We looked at a few other mattresses but the first two were the ones that stuck in our minds. I was also thinking that, should I decide to get a mattress here, I might also consider going with the L&P S-cape base that he sells, considering it's price is the same as most online prices. I found out I can acquire a Reverie Deluxe foundation second-hand from a friend now, but getting the new S-cape from Mr. G for a bit more money might be a better idea. Also, my own bias favouring the Reverie falls flat since my dad hates any massage function on these beds and finds the 58-60 degree head tilt angle sufficient on the S-cape. Augh, decisions, decisions... And I haven't even taken the folks to nearby Urban Mattress yet!

Urban Mattress has the Tempurpedic electric beds (which I'm assuming are equivalent to Reverie models), so I was hoping to have Dad test out those models too. But he was exhausted after leaving SleepWorld, so we'll have to save that for another day.

So I know the golden rule is NOT to make a purchase until visiting at least a few local mattress/foundation stores first, and I don't plan to impuse buy anything right now. But for the moment, let's assume that the only mattress with which my father will be satisfied is a resilient, firm mattress. What other equivalent, cheaper alternatives are there to the 9-inch dunlap organic/organic latex mattress that we saw? Or perhaps we should start considering foam equivalents that offer the same firmness (thanks mattresstx), even if they don't last as long as latex? I figure as long as they'll last 10-15 years for my folks, they'll be happy. I always buy local to support businesses whenever I can, but most importantly so that dad is happy and comfortable with whatever we get. Thanks!

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08 Aug 2012 01:10 - 06 Sep 2015 21:14 #6 by Phoenix

Hi austinsoul2012,

You've brought up quite a few points (some of them perhaps unkowingly) and I'll try to deal with them one by one.

The easiest one is adjustable beds. If the massage feature is not important ... then the lower cost models without the bells and whistles or with a wired remote would do just as well (Ergomotion 100, Reverie Essential, or the L&P ProMotion or Shipshape along with others). One feature that may be important to make sure it has is the "wallhugger" feature which keeps you close to a bedside table when you are raising the head of the bed.

The next issue is more complex and this has to do with "organic" latex vs natural vs blended.

The USDA "organic" certification is a certification that has to do with the the agricultural raw latex used in a latex core. For the raw latex to be certified as organic ... the plantation has to be free of pesticide use for a number of years (in the surrounding area as well) and they have to follow organic farming methods. While natural latex may use the same methods ... the organic certification process is very stringent and expensive so a product that uses it will be more expensive just because of the costs involved in certification not necessarily because the ingredients in the latex are any different.

This is just about the raw materials though and not about the actual latex mattress core. At the moment ... there are only four companies that produce certified raw latex which is CoCo latex, Latex Green, Arpico, and Eco-Latex. Having the raw material certified though doesn't mean the latex core that uses this certified raw material is certified organic. For this to happen then the factory and methods of foaming and production also have to be certified organic. Until recently this didn't yet exist (only the raw latex was certified as an organic agricultural product). Latex green however was the first certified organic latex core rather than just being a latex core that uses certified organic latex. Each step of "certification" involves a cost both at the factory (which has to separate non certified materials and production runs from certified ones and follow certain other procedures) and with the certification process itself. Since this time there are now other GOLS certified producers (currently 4 in total) and if you register on the Control Union site you can see the list with a search here . You can also read more about organic latex certifications in post #2 here and in post #2 here .

There are also two factories in the US which are certified as following organic methods of manufacturing latex mattresses (OMI and Naturepedic). Both of these make some latex mattresses using GOLS certified latex cores (but only with their Dunlop latex mattresses). They both also produce non latex mattresses that are certified organic (all the materials are organic and the mattress itself has also been certified). NOTE ADDED: Soaring Heart also now makes mattresses that are certified organic as a complete mattress as well.

All of this is to say that "certified organic" can mean a more expensive product that may not have a significant benefit in terms of performance, safety, or even "purity" over 100% natural latex. There are a large number of consumers however who will willingly pay for the "certified organic" label because they prefer to support more organic and sustainable farming methods (see post #3 here ).

So it's up to each person to decide whether the "organic" label is worth any premium it may have over an equivalent but non certified material and this would be a personal and lifestyle choice. Wool can be the same and some of the best and cleanest, most "natural" wool made from the "happiest sheep" in the country and using all organic farming methods is not certified organic because of the expense of the certification process itself.

I personally would lean towards 100% natural Dunlop without the certification as being better value (it is usually a lower cost) but that's just my own "personal value equation" and there is also a good argument that the extra cost of "certified organic" materials is worth the peace of mind that the certification brings with it.

There is no organic Talalay latex (or even Talalay that uses organic raw latex) although all the Talalay you will find in both blended and 100% natural has passed some very stringent testing for harmful chemicals and offgassing so it certainly wouldn't be less safe than any other latex material. Blended Talalay in lower ILD's may be more durable than the equivalent 100% natural Talalay but in firmer ILD's (low/mid 20's and higher) then this difference would probably "disappear". Because they are so similar in performance ... most people would consider blended Talalay to be better value than 100% natural talalay unless having an all natural latex content was important for other reasons.

100% natural Dunlop on the other hand is a denser material and even in lower ILD's it would be very durable but because of the greater elasticity and performance of all natural Dunlop many people consider it to be better "value" than a synthetic or blended Dunlop for those who are willing to pay the premium although blended or synthetic Dunlop can also be a very good material that has many similarities to natural Dunlop and is also a very durable material.

Blended Dunlop is the lowest cost of the latex family and the more synthetic latex it contains the less it should cost. In a 50/50 blend or higher it can provide good cost benefits and still retain many of the benefits and properties of 100% natural Dunlop. There are also some new developments in continuous pour blended Dunlop (made on a belt instead of in a mold) that can also be very good value even in completely synthetic latex formulations. All of these would be a higher quality material IMO than most of the polyfoam that is used in mattresses.

So to recap ... my personal preference would lean towards blended Talalay or 100% natural Dunlop as being the better value but of course preferences always depend on the person and the criteria that are most important to them..

Finally is the issue of firmness. All the different types of latex ... organic Dunlop, 100% natural Dunlop, blended Dunlop, 100% natural Talalay, and blended Talalay and even mostly synthetic Dunlop (often 85% synthetic and 15% or less natural latex such as is used by Sealy or some of the Ikea Dunlop mattresses) all come in a wide range of softness/firmness levels so while different versions of Talalay and Dunlop have different feels and are also different in how quickly they get firmer with deeper compression ... different layers of different firmness levels can be used in any of these materials to make mattresses with soft or firm comfort layers, soft or firm support layers and everything in between. In other words ... the material or type of latex has little to do with the firmness of the mattress because different layering of the different types and firmness levels of the different types of latex can make either a softer or firmer mattress in either the comfort or support layers with any of them.

So the reason for all of this is so that you can decide on which material may be best for your " personal value equation " even if it is different from someone else. All of these types of latex can make a great mattress compared to other lower quality materials.

If you are looking for a way to lower your budget below the cost of an all latex mattress then a latex comfort layer over either an innerspring or polyfoam can make sense. The upper layers of a mattress are the the most important part of durability because they are the most subject to repeated compression and mechanical stress and for most people (but not all) ... they contribute more to the overall "feel" of the mattress as well. In these cases (where the different types of latex aren't enough to bring an "all latex" mattress into the budget range that is suitable or just as a matter of preference), then a latex/polyfoam or latex/innerspring hybrid can also have very good performance and value.

There is some very good value at SleepWorld on their website in both Talalay and even blended Dunlop and the trick would be to find the layering and firmness level in the comfort and support layers in the materials and thickness that put the mattress into your preferred budget range.

Thanks too for the great feedback about your experience at SleepWorld. I see you like "direct" as much as I do :)

Hope this helps.

Phoenix


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09 Aug 2012 21:08 - 09 Aug 2012 21:31 #7 by austinsoul2012

Terrific background info on Dunlop (organic, natural and blended) latex and Talalay (natural and blended). Thank you Phoenix! And after my father's initial, favourable reaction to that organic 9-inch Dunlop latex mattress, I was pretty much set on a Dunlop core with Dunlop topper (with a preference for natural or even blended Dunlop due to price, as you've mentioned).

So there I was, all set to limit my Dad's investment to a Dunlop natural or blended mattress. My Dad loves sleeping on firm, hard, high ILM surfaces so I thought I had this one figured out. Perfect. Heck with organic certification; I still can't get my head around that $2000 price. With the information on the great quality of blended or natural Dunlop, I could go considerably lower in price and still get a terrific quality mattress for dad.

Well, this afternoon proved to add just a bit of confusion to my search.

After lunch, I was determined to go on one more local mattress visit, and that would be to "Urban Mattress" at the Gateway. I heard many good things about the staff there and I was not disappointed. My parents and I stepped into the shop and were greeted by the owner, a very nice and knowledgeable fellow named Shane. It was a very pleasant and educational experience, and he provided plenty of information about his foam and latex beds without pushing hard for a sale, just like my previous, enjoyable visit to Sleepworld. No stress or pressure, just a lot of effort put into determining what kind of surface my dad would like the most. Being that my dad was feeling rather weak and tired, he would sit on this mattress or that, but would not lie down no matter how often we asked. That made Shane's job so much more difficult, since all my dad would do to test the mattress was sit on the edge of each mattress and feeling the pushback. It would have made a big difference if he took the time to lie down on his back or side so we can see how it would work out. No such luck. But hey, it was hard enough to convince him to get an adjustable bed, so I'll take what I can get.

We tried different latex cores with foam tops , latex cores with latex tops (which were surprisingly very soft) , even the more firm foam top beds with inner spring support, but dad liked NONE of them. He kept complaining how all of the mattresses he tried were just too soft or uncomfortable for him. He still insisted the 9-inch Dunlop organic twin-XL ($2000) was still his favourite. So we were getting to the end of our rope, and I was wondering if there would be any mattress in this store that he liked. Heck with organic/natural/blended latex vs foam for the moment, let's just see if something stands out. And finally, something did...

As we were about to give it all up and walked with Shane back to his cashier register to discuss a few things, my dad tried sitting on an Eco Visco 8-inch (polyfoam, yikes!). He actually liked that one, and after lying on it for a bit, he said he'd be fine with it. That kind of left me stunned, really. A polyfoam mattress was the last thing I was considering. But hey, if that's what he wants...

The mattress (2 inches memory foam on top, 6 inches support poly foam) was one of the cheapest ones there (XL, $449), so I can't help but wonder how much the low cost played into his thinking. And on an adjustable bed, I kinda wonder how well this polyfoam mattress will stand up the constant bending and moving. Especially since I'm so sold on latex already.

But this turned out to be a non-option anyways, cuz Shane was very backlogged on stock for a Twin XL. So backlogged that the wait would be at least 1 month, if not more.

You're right, Phoenix, the easy decision really is the adjustable foundation. Reverie Deluxe or L&P S-cape, they're similar and you can't really go wrong with either.

It's the mattress that's causing so much indecision and difficulty. I'm really tempted to go online for one, but I really want to support local businesses here and the convenience of returning or changing locally purchased mattresses is an incredible advantage. And since this purchase is for health reasons, we don't pay tax -- which removes the online benefit.

It's a nightmare trying to find the right mattress match for someone else. Sigh... :D

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09 Aug 2012 23:42 - 10 Oct 2014 16:44 #8 by Phoenix

Hi austinsoul2012,

My parents and I stepped into the shop and were greeted by the owner, a very nice and knowledgeable fellow named Shane. It was a very pleasant and educational experience, and he provided plenty of information about his foam and latex beds without pushing hard for a sale, just like my previous, enjoyable visit to Sleepworld. No stress or pressure, just a lot of effort put into determining what kind of surface my dad would like the most.


I have talked with Shane on several occasions and as you mention he is knowledgeable and has always been very helpful. As a matter of fact ... all the people I have talked with at the various Urban Mattress outlets have been the same and they are great to deal with.

Being that my dad was feeling rather weak and tired, he would sit on this mattress or that, but would not lie down no matter how often we asked. That made Shane's job so much more difficult, since all my dad would do to test the mattress was sit on the edge of each mattress and feeling the pushback. It would have made a big difference if he took the time to lie down on his back or side so we can see how it would work out. No such luck.


This may have been part of the reason he felt they were so soft. Latex mattresses generally don't have edge support and because of their "point elasticity" ... when you sit on the edge they can feel softer than people are used to because each "part" can compress quite independently of the parts around it and the weight concentration when someone is sitting is very different from lying down. Even a very firm latex mattress can feel soft if you sit on the edge of it. Even regular mattresses though, depending on the edge support, will feel very different with sitting than with lying down so the perception of how a mattress will feel and perform will be skewed if they are only tested by sitting on the edge. I don't know how much this may have played a role if he actually lay on the mattresses at Sleepworld.

The mattress (2 inches memory foam on top, 6 inches support poly foam) was one of the cheapest ones there (XL, $449), so I can't help but wonder how much the low cost played into his thinking. And on an adjustable bed, I kinda wonder how well this polyfoam mattress will stand up the constant bending and moving. Especially since I'm so sold on latex already.


There are some types of polyfoam which either for stiffness reasons or quality/durability reasons are not recommended for an adjustable bed but in most cases they would be fine even though polyfoam is not as flexible or elastic as latex. My bigger concern though would be the density of the memory foam and the overall durability of the mattress as you mentioned. Memory foam also takes time to soften and part of the reason he may have liked it may have been that it hadn't had time to soften with body heat and felt firmer than it really was. in addition to this ... memory foam is not "movement friendly" because it absorbs energy rather than returns it so it may also pose an issue with movement on the mattress for someone who had difficulty changing positions. This of course is just speculation as to the reasons he felt what he did but all in all ... it wouldn't seem to me to be the best choice for the circumstances and the restrictions that he faces ... but then as you mentioned ... who's to argue with the person that will be sleeping on the mattress :)

It's a nightmare trying to find the right mattress match for someone else. Sigh...


I can certainly sympathize with this ... especially when that "someone" doesn't lie down on the mattresses. The good news though is that at least your choices in terms of outlets and mattress selection are good ones. Making the "best" choice though may be more difficult it seems :)

Phoenix


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10 Aug 2012 23:56 #9 by austinsoul2012

After good experiences with Sleepworld and Urban Mattress in Austin, I decided I exhausted my best local buy options and wanted to go online. For that, I wanted to check out olejostores.com as you, Phoenix, has recommended.

I wanted something roughly equivalent to Sleepworld's 9-inch organic latex firm mattress, but without the high cost of going organic certified. If I had to put a figure to what I'm willing to spend, I'd say $600-800 is my range for something that's natural Dunlop, even blended Dunlop if that's all I could get. Yeah, my dad was big on the much cheaper 2-inch memory foam / 6-inch polyfoam Evo Visco mattress, but since that's out of stock I'd like to revisit my latex preference.

So after providing the specs to Olejostores, I got the following recommendation:
Eclipse Victoria 6-inch Natural Latex Foam Mattress with Organic Cotton Cover
www.olejostores.com/eclipse_victoria_6_i...ton_cover-23721.aspx

Looks promising, but I've never heard about the quality of Eclipse latex natural Dunlop mattresses. Do you have an opinion on this particular model? I just want something as close to the firmness and quality of Dunlop certified organic latex, and it sounds like natural Dunlop is what I want.

Also, is there a specific mattress size that's ideal for an adjustable bed? I was wondering if 6 inches is more ideal than 8 inches cuz of all that bending and moving.

This is not exactly going to serve as a hospital bed but my dad is going to spend most of his time lying in this adjustable bed in the living room to watch TV, sleep and eat. He's not very mobile and I have to make sure the mattress doesn't form hot spots around him and hopefully he'll be less prone to bed sores.

I think that's the hardest part -- persuading people who are convinced they need a firm bed when a slightly softer one (for better blood circulation) might serve them better. Well, I did read on this site that it's best to go with firm first if you're not too sure, cuz you can go from firm-to-soft a lot easier than going from soft-to-firm... :)

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11 Aug 2012 01:14 - 11 Aug 2012 01:38 #10 by Phoenix

Hi austinsoul2012,

I'm a little confused why you are looking at the uncertainty of an online purchase (especially when it may end up the same as your experience in the stores) when there is such good value available locally. For example at Sleepworld, the 7" blended Dunlop mattress is similar to the one you are looking at (although it is blended Dunlop not natural) and could probably be chosen in a firm ILD and it is $699 for a twin XL set. The 9" talalay could probably also be made in a firm configuration is $1299 for the set and there are others as well. These are all better value than what you are looking at so I'm thinking I must be missing something.

If you are looking for an an online mattress purchase though for whatever reason, then my recommendations are in post #21 here which has a list of the members of the site which, specialize in working with their customers over the phone, and have some of the best online mattress values in the country. There are a wide range of latex choices here but there is also better value here than what you are looking at.

Although Olejo has some very good value in adjustable beds and some of their mattresses have above average value as well (including the Eclipse that you mentioned) ... they are not in the same value range for mattresses as what you will find locally or from members of the site. Some of these also offer layer exchanges (where you can exchange a layer of a multiple layer mattress to make adjustments after a purchase if it's needed).

If I was in your shoes I would be speaking with the two outlets you have talked with locally and find your best choice between them because they would have pretty much anything in latex you could buy at Olejo and probably better value but if you are looking to purchase online then I would look at the outlets that are in the list.

Phoenix


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