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First, thanks so much for all the excellent information! Your website has helped me tremendously from going out of my mind (last time I bought a mattress 11/12 yrs ago it was an awful experience peppered with pushy sales people and vague information that made it difficult for me to compare mattresses). I've read a bunch of stuff online (mostly from this forum) and think I've decided on a mid-priced Latex Mattress.
Background for my question: I'm a 5' 5", 170lb women who is a side sleeper and suffers from chronic pain due to a back injury to C5 and herniated discs at C7 & C8. On top of that I spend A LOT of time in bed from a sleep disorder that can see me spend on average 10-15 hrs in bed (yeah I know YIKES). I'm moving from Dallas to NYC and have no bed in the new apt in NYC so I need one asap. Also I like a bed more on the softer side but I will do what is best for my back. My budget is Under $1700. Ideally I'd like it under $1500. Queen sized as well.
So you see a mattress is a super important purchase for me. Having said that I can't really look for mattresses in a "local" store til I get there. I was hoping you could tell me if the mattresses I listed below are on the right track for what I might need. If they are not, can you help me narrow down what I should concentrate on looking for.
From reading info here in the forums I was thinking about something like these (Prices are all Queen & include Box Spring):
Latex mattress from dixiefoam.com - 6" thick tri-zoned (medium at head & foot, firm in the midsec) latex foam rubber mattress is outstanding for pressure relief $1335 (inc BS)
NaturaLatex Tranquil from NaturaWorld.com 1" Plant-based foam 2” Talalay latex (blended) 5" Plant-based foam $1399 (inc BS) http://www.naturaworld.com/mattress-tranquil
Latex Supreme from Original Mattress Factory $1699 (inc BS)
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PS I also liked the Snowmass by the Denver Mattress Company $1349 (inc BS) but I don't know if they will or how much it will cost to deliver to NYC https://www.furniturerow.com/DenverMattressCo/Snowmass-by-Denver-Mattress-Group/Snowmass-by-Denver-Mattress-Queen-Mattress-Set/prod130173/
New mattress with the adjustable base. We r going to buy a
split king for us and a queen for our son. We were close to
getting the icomfort for our son, he loves the way it feels and
We had desired on a tempurpedic. After read your mattress forum and
Looking we r not sure which bed to buy. We in Midland/Odessa
Of west Texas. We have a Denver Mattress and if we buy from
Them I think I would get the aspen for my wife,the snowmass for
Me and the aspen for our son. My wife is 130lb, I'm 250, & our son
Is around 70lbs, he is 11. Any thoughts and advice would be great.
Thank you in advance for your help.
I think that Denver mattress is likely to be among if not the best value in your area and if you have tested these so you know they are suitable for your needs and preferences ... they certainly have good value.
You've probably seen this but post #2 here has some of the better options in the Midland/Odessa TX area (and I made a few calls and updated it today in case you want to include some other possibilities in your research).
Sorry for the delay in this reply. I see I missed a couple of posts in this thread when I only replied to the last one
Unfortunately there aren't any factory direct manufacturers right in New Orleans and the closest ones are in Lafayette and Baton Rouge (see post #10 here ). There are some "better" possibilities in New Orleans however including some which carry latex and they are in post #4 here .
So have been looking at online suppliers. Have read and reread about Ultimate Dreams but worry about synthetics. The Natural with the wool and 100% Dunlop comfort layer sounds possible but it still has the 1.5" poly-foam.
I don't think that allergies would present an issue with either latex or polyfoam for most people ... although some people with MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) may do better to avoid polyfoam or at least let it air out for months before using it. In most cases though ... polyfoam is so common all around us (furniture, car seats and almost everywhere else) that it would be unlikely that someone who was very sensitive to this wouldn't know about it already. The polyfoam that is poured in North America is usually CertiPur certified for offgassing and would be "safe" for most people. Most latex including blended and natural Talalay are also Oeko-Tex certified which is an even higher level of certification for offgassing and harmful substances.
It states the wool is the fire retardant so wondered: what is the fire retardant in the Plush and Eurotop?
I believe they use an inherent rayon type fiber (a cellulosic fiber impregnated with silica) which is also very safe IMO. I'm not certain of this though so to make sure it would be a good idea to call them. There is more about various fire retardant methods at the bottom of this article . The Chicago Tribune published a very informative article on fire retardant chemicals recently which is very interesting reading.
The major question is would she do better with an all natural product or is the practically priced Ultimate Dreams ok?
For most people ... synthetic foams if they are well made without the most harmful chemicals are generally fine in terms of safety but of course each person may have different sensitivities or different ideas of what they consider safe so each of us needs to answer "how safe is safe" on an individual basis ... and hopefully with enough facts to make an informed decision. Some people for example would only consider a mattress that used natural latex, natural fibers, innersprings, or other natural or organic materials because they believe that for them any level of potential harm or synthetic substances are too much and they are willing to pay for a much larger safety margin (or in some cases just more natural or organic materials on principle alone) than others would consider necessary.
I realise I don't know if all the natural green hype is just wishful thinking, the hope that if one gets closer to natural that one will be healthier. She has no time for this search but knows it will obsess me until the resolution; then she will sleep and I'll find another problem.
There certainly is a lot of "greenwashing" in the industry and a lot of misinformation as well. For example most of the claims about the "plant based" or "soy based" polyfoams are greatly exaggerated when all they have done is replace a small portion (usually under 20%) of one of the two main petrochemical ingredients used to make polyfoam (the polyol portion) with a plant based substitute which has been chemically altered beyond recognition anyway. This means all of the other ingredients (the isocyanates) and 80% of the polyols are still petrochemical based and yet many people are calling this 'natural" foam.
Thank you sooo much for all the time, effort and energy you put into this website, I have been recommending it to everybody I know who mentions sleep problems - even without joining.
Thanks for the kind words
And just in case you haven't seen this ... the list of members of this site who specialize in working with customers online or "on the phone" are in post #21 here .
You are one of two posts from last night in this thread that I missed when I only replied to the last one from today so sorry to take so long with this reply.
In terms of your choices ...
Latex mattress from dixiefoam.com - 6" thick tri-zoned (medium at head & foot, firm in the midsec) latex foam rubber mattress is outstanding for pressure relief $1335 (inc BS).
While your own testing would be the best judge ... I would think a separate support layer and a few inches (in the range of 2-3" depending on the core firmness) of softer latex would probably work a little better. A 6" mattress that is firm enough for good support may not have quite the pressure relief that you would need as a sensitive side sleeper.
NaturaLatex Tranquil from NaturaWorld.com 1" Plant-based foam 2” Talalay latex (blended) 5" Plant-based foam $1399 (inc BS)
This would be a good choice but it's a little high in terms of price with only 2" of latex although it does have more wool than average which is a more expensive material and also has many benefits in a mattress (especially for breathability and temperature regulation). This would be "in the range" in terms of construction but it would also depend on the firmness/softness of the foams that were in it.
This would be similar in construction to the Dixie Foam CloudRest except the Cloudrest doesn't have the wool but has a slightly thicker layer of latex and a higher quality base foam.
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Latex Supreme from Original Mattress Factory $1699 (inc BS)
This would probably also make a good quality/value choice and may be a little softer than the other two. I don't think they ship their mattresses though (and if they did it would cost a lot) but I could be wrong here.
PS I also liked the Snowmass by the Denver Mattress Company $1349 (inc BS) but I don't know if they will or how much it will cost to deliver to NYC www.furniturerow.com/DenverMattressCo/Sn...ress-Set/prod130173/
This would also make a good choice as well but again I don't know if they ship and if they did it would cost a great deal. The Aspen would be a little softer and may be a little better choice as well given your circumstances.
Overall though it seems you have the right idea which is a firmer core for good support and then 2-3" of softer latex to provide the pressure relief that you will need and to fill in the "gaps" in your spinal curves.
The better choices I'm aware of in the NYC area are listed in post #2 here and a more categorized list with more detailed descriptions or many of them are in post #4 here .
Neither Original mattress or Denver mattress are close to NYC and shipping costs would likely be prohibitive so I would focus either on local choices (particularly the last group of 5 on the NJ list, 3 of which are close to you) or on better manufacturers that specialize in working with customers online or on the phone (and some of the best in the country of this type and that are recommended members here are listed in post #21 here ).
Thank you so much for your detailed response. It is a new experience for me to put my questions out on a forum and get personal attention!
To be more specific about my daughter's sleep profile: 5'10", 155 lbs, side sleeper mostly, lordosis with some back issues, likes "plush" feel = not too soft but definitely not very firm. She is also a health conscious, very "natural products" customer. Sounds like good support layer and then not sure what for comfort. She likes the idea of the wool in cover but you mention that wool can "isolate from the response of latex" and over time will compact and feel firmer. She also has never slept on latex.
Given her location the on line sources are the best. She really doesn't have time to test mattresses that aren't even ones she would get. So she is trusting that we find the right combination. She is also a student so doesn't feel this has to be the mattress that will last forever (10 -20 yrs) but find her a comfortable healthy bed now that lasts 5-6 yrs. My sister just got a mattress from Gardiner in MA but that more of an investment.
This makes the Dreamfoam natural with 100% natural dunlap and the wool sound good, although the talalay comfort layer might be softer as one of your members asked if they put the wool with it. As the dunlap is firmer over all, does it come in different ILD to affect the feel or is it in the 1-10 scale?
Also the AZ mattress with the zones sounds interesting but maybe too difficult to design.
Actually, I was raised on a dunlap "rubber" mattress in the northeast and tried for years to find them but they seemed to have disappeared from the market. I didn't find them again until the internet. A friend just got a Sonoroll "latex" but I couldn't any specifics - have you heard of it?
Amazon also lists "Eco-lux" and "Tranquility" mattresses, have you reviewed them?
Thank you for your help.