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Latex mattress in San Diego area 22 Oct 2011 04:34 #1

Hi, this site is great! I'd appreciate any suggestions regarding where to shop for a Latex mattress in the San Diego area. So far, we've liked the feel of the Vera Wang Restful Interlude at Sleep Train and the Stearns & Foster Vila Lucia/Rosa at Macy's. I've read some comments online that the Vera Wang has an upper memory foam layer that will break down, but I don't know if that's true for the whole line. We're hoping to keep the price for a Queen to around $1,500 or worst case $2,000. We don't need the boxspring because we have a bed with slats.

Thanks!!

- Stuart

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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 22 Oct 2011 18:38 #2

Hi Stuart,

I would tend to avoid all of the major brands and chain stores as they generally do not have the value or quality of local manufacturers. The Vera Wang by Serta is one of their "better efforts" but they too have too much polyfoam and/or in the comfort layer of the mattress and they are also overpriced compared to better options IMO.

I wouldn't consider any Stearns and Foster at all because again they contain too much low quality polyfoam and are way overpriced. Their innersprings are good quality ... what is over them usually isn't and its the comfort layers that are the weak link of a mattress. Even their best efforts are poor value IMO.

There are a few local manufacturers and/or retail direct outlets within 50 miles that may be well worth including in your research. They are ...


Mattress Makers Local factory direct manufacturer in San Diego. Makes a range of mattresses with many layering choices including latex (including organic latex), memory foam, and innersprings including custom builds. Pablo is the owner here and he is knowledgeable, open and transparent about the mattresses they make. Good quality and value and well worth including in your research and they are also a member of this site. They are a multi generational manufacturer that has been building mattresses for 45 years and have been factory direct for about 20 years.

Escondido Mattress Factory is a local factory direct manufacturer in Escondido. Makes a two sided 6" latex mattress in your choice of ILD and you can add a topper or use an "active" boxspring to adjust the feel and performance of the mattress in addition to choosing the firmness of the mattress. Also makes latex/innerspring hybrids and traditional mattresses that use higher quality polyfoam and cotton over the innerspring and they also make them 2 sided. Like many smaller manufacturers ... they don't make memory foam because they are reluctant to deal with some of the difficulties (and returns) that are connected to it's use. They are a member of this site which means I consider them to be among the best quality/value available and have been in business for many years. They are knowledgeable and helpful, provide good service to their customers, and are "good people" to deal with. NOTE ADDED: On April 1, 2017, Escondido Mattress suffered a fire that destroyed their factory and showroom. They re-opened on July 15th at a new location near the old one, at 432 Venture, Escondido, CA 92029.

Euro-flex.com Local factory direct manufacturer in San Diego. Has 3 latex mattresses which are high quality and use good materials but also a little pricey compared to other similar mattresses.

Purerest.com Factory direct manufacturer in San Diego.Makes a range of Dunlop latex mattresses including choose your own layering and focusing on organic materials. Their retail outlets may have lower prices than the prices listed on their site. They are focused on using the "purest" materials they can find but this also comes with a premium in terms of price and value compared to other similar mattresses.

superpages.com/bp/San-Diego-CA/Comfort-Touch-Mattress-And-Adjustable-Beds-L0501012896.htm factory direct manufacturer in San Diego. Carries both their own design and several other latex mattresses. Some good choices in terms of variety and latex hybrid designs including 2 sided latex mattresses.

comfortpedicmattress.com Factory direct manufacturer with outlets in San Diego, Rancho Cucamonga, San Dimas, and San Marcos. Makes a range of mattresses including latex but tends to focus on "telling stories" and not so much on sharing information about the materials he puts in the mattress. Also seems to be "on the high side" in terms of pricing.

abedderbuy.com Retailer in San Diego. They carry some mainstream mattresses but also carry Spinal Comfort (including an all latex model) and Anatomic Global (memory foam) which both have better value. When I talked with Sonia the owner she was helpful and clearly ethical and informative and committed to providing the best possible quality and value for her customers. Good people that have been in the industry for a long time over several generations.

scrippsnatural.com Retailer in Carlsbad Village, CA. They sell several Berkeley Ergonomics mattresses including 100% natural Talalay latex and 100% natural Talalay latex/pocket coil component mattresses which all use high quality and durable materials.
davisworld.com/store Retailer in San Diego. Carries a wide variety of good quality mattresses including latex ... some retail direct ... from manufacturers such as Diamond (Ethos, Sweda) which I like. There is some "better than average" value here but they also carry some more expensive premium brands, some mainstream brands, and some lower quality/price imported brands as well.

mattressplacestore.com/stressopedic Retailer in Solana Beach. Carries SpringPedic and Therapedic

seagulldistribution.com Manufacturer San Diego. "Choose your own layers" Dunlop latex mattress with a 6" base and either one or two 2" comfort layers. All layers can be customized for firmness with a zip cover.

thefutonshop.com San Diego, CA. Carries a huge range of futons of all kinds including innersprings, latex, memory foam, polyfoam, and organic wool and cotton.

Ikea in San Diego See post #3 here for mattresses I would consider here.

There are also some wholesale manufacturers that make some better than average quality and value mattresses that have retail store finders on their site that may also have some stores in the area and be worth including in your research.

spinalcarebedding.net Spinal Care Bedding is a local manufacturer based in Gardena, CA that also makes some good quality/value mattresses that includes latex, memory foam, microcoils, and innersprings including some high quality pocket coils and two sided mattresses.

diamondmattress.com Local Wholesale manufacturer in Rancho Dominguez who is making some good quality and value mattresses but make sure you are able to find out the specs of the materials in their mattresses (see post #2 here ).

stressopedic.com Regional west coast manufacturer based in Ontario, CA that makes a wide range of a mattresses and is committed to being completely transparent about all the materials in their mattresses.

puretalalaybliss.com Owned by Talalay Global and make a line of natural and blended Talalay latex mattresses.

The Los Angeles list in post #2 here also has some other options that may be in reasonable driving distance for some in the San Diego area.

I would suggest making a few calls to talk with these about what you are looking for and your budget range and to get a sense of what you can expect if you visit them. I would then visit the few that are the most promising as there is a fairly wide range of value and prices among the list for similar mattresses and each person may place more or less value on some of the differences between them.

Good luck and feel free to post with any questions along the way.

Phoenix
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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 23 Oct 2011 06:42 #3

Thanks Phoenix! Disregarding prices, how are the mattresses at the Healthy Back Store? I think they are the same as the Pure LatexBliss but under their own name? Is this a good place to check out which type of densities we like and then ask for a local manufacturer to create something similar? I am hoping the local guys have better pricing!

Also I've heard conflicting information regarding the use of a slat bed with a latex mattress. We have a slat bed (no boxspring), does this cause a problem for latex mattresses?

Thanks again!

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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 23 Oct 2011 15:30 #4

Hi Stuart,

Yes, the talalay latex mattresses at the Healthy Back store are the Pure Latex Bliss. Their published prices are slightly higher than some other outlets I've seen for the same mattress. PLB overall is one of the better latex values compared with most chain store outlets and national brands and are great for testing out different layer combinations because the specs are known but most local manufacturers would have better value yet. I would do exactly what you are suggesting using the PLB as a model to "duplicate".

A rigid slatted foundation or bed is a perfectly appropriate base to use for a latex core mattress (or any foam core) and better than a box spring which is used mostly under an innerspring mattress. As long as the slats are strong, the gap between them is about 2" or less (some beds have the slats too far apart), and there is appropriate center support then it will be fine. You may or may not decide to add a slatted foundation if you need more height but directly on the bed itself is fine as long as the slats provide enough surface area.

While an innerspring can be used if it has a flat and supportive surface area, it will completely change the feel and performance of the mattress and is not necessary or in most cases even desirable.

Phoenix
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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 25 Oct 2011 03:21 #5

Hi Phoenix,

I wanted to let you know that we stopped by Ortho to check out their mattresses. They do have a Stearns and Foster that is 100% latex but it's almost $3,000 for a Queen. They also showed me another one that is mostly latex with a foam topper (Italian Garden Villa) that was $2,000 for a Queen. They said their mattress is a continuous pour Dunlop (no pieces). And they were telling me that Dunlop is much better than Talalay (more uniform) and Talalay will wear out?? Is that true? Also they said that theirs is real latex while the latex in the Macy's Stearns & Foster is "Smart Latex" and not natural latex? But then what's funny is the Ortho website says Smart Latex for their own mattresses. I guess everybody says that everybody else's latex is bad.

Also apparently Sleep Train is discontinuing all the Vera Wang latex mattresses. The salesperson said they are not replacing them with any latex mattresses and won't have any latex at all.

Thanks. B)

- Stuart

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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 25 Oct 2011 04:13 #6

Hi Stuart,

While its nice to see a major brand that makes a reasonably good mattress (and Stearns and foster has several), even their best efforts (such as this one) are overpriced and uses the cheapest form of a good material (synthetic blend continuous pour Dunlop). His comments regarding Dunlop and Talalay are funny but unfortunately typical and tells me that he knows little about latex ... especially when he is touting a blended Dunlop product that is mostly SBR and continuous pour. Dunlop and Talalay are different and these differences can each be used to advantage in certain layerings and circumstances and can cater to different preferences. You can read a little more about the different types of latex here as well as quite a few of the threads on the forum. Dunlop blended latex is the lowest quality (and cheapest) latex of all and continuous pour (vs molded) is the least expensive version of Dunlop and this is what they use.
Smart latex is made by Sapsa (which Sealy used to own until about a year or so ago) and is a dual pour type of latex which uses various types of inserts to make it "smart". It's like a form of zoning.
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This type of misinformation is part of the reason why I included them "just for reference" rather than as a real source of value in mattresses. While local manufacturing is usually the best source of information, quality and value ... unfortunately this is not always the case. Some of the other outlets on the list would be much better sources of both value and good information.

It doesn't surprise me when a chain store discontinues a higher quality mattress (even though I certainly wouldn't recommend the Vera Wang ... its at least a somewhat better effort for a major manufacturer). Sleepys has also discontinued the only mattress they had that could be truly be called high quality and decent value (the Pure Latex Bliss). These types of better quality mattresses make some of their other offerings look even worse than they already are.

Thanks for the feedback about Ortho ... it certainly confirmed my "suspicions" and the impressions I got from talking with them on the phone.

Phoenix
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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 15 Nov 2011 23:04 #7

Hi Phoenix, we went to Escondido Products to check out their product. They buy the 6" core and wrap it in their cover. Is 6" considered thick enough for a mattress? I know some of the other companies have 10" and higher, but is 6" good enough? We are short so having a lower mattress is actually easier to get in and out of bed.

Also they had different ratings on the foam, for example the one we liked was rated 85-90. How does that translate to ILD?

Thanks!!

- Stuart

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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 16 Nov 2011 00:37 #8

Hi Stuart,

85 - 90 is a density measurement used for Dunlop latex and represents kilograms per meter cubed or (kg/m3). It has an approximate relationship to ILD because the denser the Dunlop latex is the firmer it will be. To give you a rough translation, the Latex Green site here shows that 75 ± 5 is soft/medium which would be around 24 - 28, 85 ± 5 is medium firm which would be around 32 - 36, and 95 ± 5 would be extra firm which would be around 40+. This is also somewhat confused because ILD itself is only measured by how much it takes to compress a mattress core 25% of its depth. With Dunlop, it gets firmer faster so if you sink into a Dunlop core more than a Talalay core of the same ILD, it will feel firmer because it takes more force to compress it past 25%.

Probably the only type of latex where a single 6" core would be sufficient would be Dunlop. These are the types of mattress that were sold by Sears long ago and where you hear the stories about them lasting for decades ( see video here ).

Whether this was thick enough for you would depend on your height and weight distribution and sleeping position. If it provides sufficient pressure relief and good alignment and you are not feeling like you are "bottoming out" when you move around or turn on the mattress, then it is good for you even though it may not be for someone else. If you are a side sleeper and you need more pressure relief, then a latex topper on top of this mattress would be a good option. How thick and soft the topper would need to be would depend again on your "stats" but typically would be in the 2" - 3" range of softer latex (typically Talalay).

When I talked with Rudy and Randy at Escondido, see here Escondido Materials they told me that their core was Talalay however Talalay uses lbs/cu ft for density and ILD for hardness. Dunlop uses the kg/M3 density that you are quoting which makes me think it is Dunlop rather than Talalay.

Either way though ... if it works for pressure relief and alignment for you ... and you like the overall feel ... and it is also good when you move around ... then it is good for you. If not ... then adding a topper to improve the pressure relief (to a total thickness of about 8-9") would be all you need.

Phoenix
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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 02 May 2012 22:31 #9

Phoenix,

Thanks to your help and this site we did end up buying a 6" latex mattress (and bunky board) from Escondido Mattress Factory . Rudy says they are buying from Latex International but used to buy from Sleep Comp, and I think this may be where the confusion comes in. I believe that they may be ordering from Latex International using the Dunlop density measurements and Latex International converts it to their ILD. Or maybe not.

Regardless, we are happy with our purchase and also are pleased that the mattress is only 6 inches high. Now our kids won't sleep in their crib-sized mattresses anymore because they're so uncomfortable compared to mom and dad's new latex mattress.

We did create a blog post detailing our journey for a latex mattress called The Joy of a Latex Mattress for an Aching Back . Hopefully our thoughts and what we've learned will be helpful for others!

Thanks again for your help!

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Re: Latex mattress in San Diego area 02 May 2012 23:30 #10

Hi Stuart,

I was wondering who was behind your blog. I noticed it one day when I was looking at the links in my google webmaster account but I didn't know of course who was behind it. I'm impressed with the quality of your research and the accuracy of the information you put there. I have no doubt it will be helpful to many people. Thanks for the link and the kind words as well :)

I think you are probably correct about the source of the confusion between density and ILD and they were probably estimating the Dunlop ILD and then ordering Talalay in the "equivalent" as you mentioned. As an example, 32 ILD blended talalay would be about 4 lbs/cu. ft. which is @ 65 kg/cu m. Natural Talalay would be heavier but still not as dense as natural Dunlop.

In the end ... ILD is just a reference point though and not nearly as important as how someone actually feels on their mattress ... and it seems that your choice is quite popular with the whole family.

Congratulations on your new mattress :)

Phoenix
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