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Bad back Looking for memory foam 10 Jan 2013 06:04 #1

Hello there!
This looks like a wonderful site. Thank you!

I have frequent lower back pain and am looking for a new mattress but I am on a strict budget that is non-negotiable.
One of the most frustrating things in shopping is that all the sales people, despite me being very clear about my budget, keep relentlessly pushing me to spend more. Like 5 times in a row, totally ignoring what I am telling them about my budget. It's not an option for me to spend more that $1000. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is.
I know I will not pay $900 and get something that is fantastic and last for 10 years. I want it last 5 years without sagging or loosing support. Is there anything out there that will do that in this price range and my comfort range?
I am 49 years-old 5'8", approximately 140 lbs female.
I like a softer, more plush feel with lots of support.
I love the feel of the Tempurpedic Cloud, but it is way out of my price range. The icomfort Savant -plus feels good too.
I surprisingly liked the Tempurpedic Simplicity -medium, plush. Not quite as comfy as the Cloud ...but it was comfortable. I think that is around $1300 for a full and $1400 for a queen. I really need a queen but would go down to a full for a better mattress.
Macy's has a sale on the Memory Works. The Serena -plush feels good. With the "sale" it is in my price range.
I have also looked at Bob's Bob O Pedic...the Cirrus seems okay in my price range. I am honestly wondering if Bob O Pedic and the Macy's Memory Works aren't the same beds in the models I mentioned.
Any feedback?
Any of the outlets in Mercer County, NJ (Princeton area), or North Brunswick, NJ area? or Hunterdon County NJ (Flemington ect)?
I have gone to 3 different Sleepy's and have gotten 3 different prices on the SAME bed that was on sale...not a bed I would every buy, but crazy...one guy told me I need to use an AARP card to get the low price, another told me he would give me the low price because the guy at the other store was giving it to me..the 3rd guy just blurted out the low price as soon as I walked by the bed...no AARP card needed! Gotta love it.
Right now I am leaning towards the Macy's Memory Works Serena -Plus or the the Bob o Pedic Cirrus -plus...I swear these are the same bed.
Help!

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Bad back Looking for memory foam 10 Jan 2013 06:16 #2

Oh..I realize now that I should add that I am a side sleeper...zip code 08648
Thank you so much for any information that you can provide!

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Bad back Looking for memory foam 10 Jan 2013 10:01 #3

Hi Strummer,

One of the most frustrating things in shopping is that all the sales people, despite me being very clear about my budget, keep relentlessly pushing me to spend more. Like 5 times in a row, totally ignoring what I am telling them about my budget. It's not an option for me to spend more that $1000. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is.


This is fairly "standard" practice in the industry ... until you eliminate the worst choices (about 3/4 or more of the mattress stores that most people tend to buy from).

I know I will not pay $900 and get something that is fantastic and last for 10 years. I want it last 5 years without sagging or loosing support. Is there anything out there that will do that in this price range and my comfort range?


I think your expectations are certainly reasonable (depending on the size and on any other options that may need to go with it such as a foundation and mattress protector). Given your lower weight ... you should be able to find a mattress in your budget that lasts you this long or longer ... even in a queen.

I love the feel of the Tempurpedic Cloud, but it is way out of my price range. The icomfort Savant -plus feels good too.
I surprisingly liked the Tempurpedic Simplicity -medium, plush. Not quite as comfy as the Cloud ...but it was comfortable. I think that is around $1300 for a full and $1400 for a queen. I really need a queen but would go down to a full for a better mattress.


The Tempurpedic mattresses use a range of high medium and low quality foams (the simplicity has some of the lowest quality/density memory foam in the market) but all of them regardless of the quality of the materials they use are poor value. they can provide a good reference point thoug for a memory foam mattress because many manufacturers will have a good idea of how their mattresses compare in terms of feel and performance to the Tempurpedic lineup.

Macy's has a sale on the Memory Works. The Serena -plush feels good. With the "sale" it is in my price range.
I have also looked at Bob's Bob O Pedic...the Cirrus seems okay in my price range. I am honestly wondering if Bob O Pedic and the Macy's Memory Works aren't the same beds in the models I mentioned.


I think the first place I would start is to click the link that is in the signature of every post I make in the forum. This has a step by step guide and links to information that will greatly increase your odds of finding the best possible mattress that fits your needs and preferences and has the quality (durability) and value you want as well. Most important though ... it will eliminate most of the worst choices like major brands and mass market outlets like Macy's and it will also help eliminate the low quality mattresses like any low density memory foam mattresses sold at Bob's. Eliminating most of the more common choices such as the ones you have mentioned that have poor value will help you focus on the better ones.

Post #7 here has some of the better choices and possibilities in terms of smaller manufacturers and better retailers in your area and I would spend some time on the websites and on the phone with the ones that interest you to tell them about your criteria and then visit the ones that are most interesting to you.

Right now I am leaning towards the Macy's Memory Works Serena -Plus or the the Bob o Pedic Cirrus -plus...I swear these are the same bed.
Help!


I would be very wary about buying any of the mattresses you have mentioned and after reading the post I linked I hope you will be looking in completely new directions :)

Phoenix
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Bad back Looking for memory foam 14 Jan 2013 06:26 #4

Hello Phoenix,

Thank you very much for your detailed reply.
I decided to check the Select Foam site and I find it interesing that they have a model which they claim is comparable to the Tempurpedic Cloud. And they call it the "Cirrius".
Well, Bob's has bed with the same name and also compares it to The Tempurpedic Cloud.
What are the chances of that?
Strange. www.selectfoam.com/select-es-collection.html

Well my back has beed pretty bad recently and this limits my ability to be driving around ect at this time and I just can't bring myself to risk ordering a bed without actully being able to try it out first.

I really appreciate getting some basic information under my belt. But have decided that I just don't have time to become a matress expert and drive all over to places ect.
Plus I figured all the gas money spent driving to different places could be used towards a mattress. :lol:
If I had the money, I would plunk it on a Tempurpedic where it is a good value or not.
My time is running out as I will be needing a new matress very soon.

I will just have to make the best choice I can from what is in the stores. I am really hoping that Macy's wouldn't sell a product that will perform poorly within 2 or 3 years with their MemoryWorks. I would think if that were the case, there would be bad reviews all over the interent. I don't see them. Or really any reviews other than on their own site.
I know it will not be high quality for the price, but can't believe it will be total junk either.

Wish I had more time to explore this whole thing further. And I may be should my choice turn out to be a poor one!! B)

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Bad back Looking for memory foam 14 Jan 2013 06:54 #5

Oh,, I also found this site that provides some information to rate products and they rate MemoryWorks as ok...wiht 4.5 lb density.

www.reviews-mattress.com/memoryworks-mattress-reviews.html

Maybe I am just want to believe that a MemoryWorks would ok for me.
:blink:

But in terms of value, I can't find anything that will give me a comfortable Queen memory foam with box spring for $800 including delivery.
So maybe it's worth only $400...but there is no where for me to get if for that price...so I just have to pay it. Just like people have to pay for Tempurpedic if that's what they really want,
Like I said, I know I am not going to get anything fantastic for $800 wtih deliver, but I think it will be decent.
Are you of the opinion that this bed will be saggin in 6 months or something?

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Bad back Looking for memory foam 14 Jan 2013 12:51 #6

Hi Strummer,

Thank you very much for your detailed reply.
I decided to check the Select Foam site and I find it interesing that they have a model which they claim is comparable to the Tempurpedic Cloud. And they call it the "Cirrius".
Well, Bob's has bed with the same name and also compares it to The Tempurpedic Cloud.
What are the chances of that?
Strange. www.selectfoam.com/select-es-collection.html


You'd be amazed at the number of duplicate names I come across in my research. Of course they are much different and knowing the details of all the layers is the way to tell them apart. The issue with Bobs (like so many others) is that they don't list the quality of their materials (density) ... only the layering thickness ... and I would need to know that before considering them. I would also want to know that they meet the criteria I use for memory foam in post #10 here .

I really appreciate getting some basic information under my belt. But have decided that I just don't have time to become a matress expert and drive all over to places ect.


The goal is always to connect with the experts rather than trying to become one yourself. That way they already know what you would otherwise have to learn. That's the goal of the "step by step" post that's linked after my signature in all my posts. Gather just enough information to know the basics and then let the mattress experts do the rest once you've identified who they are.

Plus I figured all the gas money spent driving to different places could be used towards a mattress. :lol:
If I had the money, I would plunk it on a Tempurpedic where it is a good value or not.
My time is running out as I will be needing a new matress very soon.


Again ... if you follow the steps in the linked post it will save you hours of driving, research, and mattress testing only to find you don't know or can't find out the information you need about the mattresses you are testing. Lots of the research before you test mattresses can (and should) be done on the phone.

I will just have to make the best choice I can from what is in the stores. I am really hoping that Macy's wouldn't sell a product that will perform poorly within 2 or 3 years with their MemoryWorks. I would think if that were the case, there would be bad reviews all over the interent. I don't see them. Or really any reviews other than on their own site.
I know it will not be high quality for the price, but can't believe it will be total junk either.


Besides careful testing to make sure that a mattress provides the PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences) that you need and want ... the rest of the job is to make sure that it uses good quality materials relative to your budget and that it has good value compared to other similar mattresses. The memoryworks certainly isn't junk and has 4" of 4.5 lb memory foam over an unknown quality 6" base layer (and I would want to know the density). Once you know the base layer density you would have a way to compare it to other mattresses. Macy's sells lots of poor value mattresses ... but this is not the same as "junk" or poor quality. Some of these use some very low quality materials and some don't. Even great quality mattresses like the better Tempurpedics can be poor value if they sell for significantly more than mattresses that use the same or better quality materials.

Oh,, I also found this site that provides some information to rate products and they rate MemoryWorks as ok...wiht 4.5 lb density.

www.reviews-mattress.com/memoryworks-mattress-reviews.html


The density of the memory foam they use is fairly widely available and 4.5 lb memory foam is reasonable quality if it's true that this is what they are using (there are other sources that these may not be the correct specs). I generally suggest that people don't go below 4 lbs and lower density memory foams can have a feel that many people like because they are usually faster responding, often more open celled and cooler, and softer. You are lighter so this would certainly be suitable for you.

But in terms of value, I can't find anything that will give me a comfortable Queen memory foam with box spring for $800 including delivery.
So maybe it's worth only $400...but there is no where for me to get if for that price...so I just have to pay it. Just like people have to pay for Tempurpedic if that's what they really want,
Like I said, I know I am not going to get anything fantastic for $800 wtih deliver, but I think it will be decent.
Are you of the opinion that this bed will be saggin in 6 months or something?


I'm not sure what size you are looking at (which would make a big difference in cost) but if you are looking at a queen size set with delivery for $800 it certainly seems like good value to me (although I would still want to know the quality of the base foam). I don't think it will sag in 6 months no if it is suitable for your weight and sleeping positions. It will go through some initial softening like all memory foam but as long as it's not already too soft or on the edge of being too soft (it should be a little firmer rather than a little softer to account for the initial softening) and the initial break in of the foam doesn't take you over the edge in terms of support/alignment then it should be fine and have a reasonable lifespan measured in years. My only other caution would be to do a google search for "memoryworks mold" so you are are of the issues they have had.

So assuming that you are looking at a queen size and the base layer is at least reasonable quality ... it seems to me that you are looking at good value.

Phoenix
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Bad back Looking for memory foam 16 Jan 2013 03:12 #7

Hi Phoenix,

Yes, it's a Memory Works Queen including box spring (or whatever they call it these days) and free delivery for $800.
I got an additional $100 for opening a Macy's charge account...haha..they got me there...but a $100 is a $100!
I will pay it in full as soon as I receive the mattress, so I won't incur any charges with that.

As a side note, Macy's gets you to buy the Queen by offering the Full size for only $10 less. So of course you go with the Queen if your room permits.
One another annoying thing..online they offer two higher quality options in this line, but they did not have them on the store floor so there was not way to try them out. I called different Macy's locations and none of them had these other two mattresses on their floors.
So I just had to rule them out.

I did do an internet search on Memory Works after first trying out the mattress in the store. I did see the alarming and horrifying reports of mold. :ohmy:
But then I noticed that they have not sold that model or line for a while now. They have replaced with a new line with new name.
The reviews that mentioned that referred to the "Olivewood"...this is no longer sold by Macy's. Nor are any of the others from that same line.
For all we know it could be the same darn mattresses and they just changed the names due to the mold problem.
I am more apt to believe they fixed the problem and made some little changes or updates to the line as I do not see any recent reports/reviews relevant to the current line of Memory Works on the store floors and online now.

When I have time I will try to find out the quality/density of the base layer.I would like to know that.
Will let you know if I learn anything on that and how things go once the mattress is delivered and I am actually sleeping on it.

Thanks so much for our input!

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Bad back Looking for memory foam 16 Jan 2013 04:04 #8

Hi Strummer,

Congratulations on your new mattress:)

I hope you are able to find the density of the base foam as it would help add to the information on the forum (in many cases mattress specs are added "piece by piece")

I also hope they have solved the mold issues ... I sure wouldn't want to have to deal with them ... and it's often there long before you notice it. I would also hope though that they took the issue seriously and made the necessary changes.

I'm looking forward to your feedback when you've received the mattress and have had a chance to sleep on it.

Phoenix
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Bad back Looking for memory foam 16 Jan 2013 05:23 #9

Thank you Pheonix.
Forgot to mention that I ordered the Serena Plush in the Memory Works line.

I now nee to consider a mattress protector and am wondering how the waterproof ones impact the feel of the mattress.

Will keep you posted on how it all goes.

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Bad back Looking for memory foam 16 Jan 2013 06:19 #10

Hi Strummer,

I just looked at the Sealy Canadian site and if you look here they list the density of the foams used in the memoryworks mattresses ... at least in Canada (and it's likely that it's the same in the US). The good news is that the support core for the memoryworks mattresses seems to be 1.9 lbs which is reasonable.

The not so good news is that the MD-3 memory foam appears to be either 3.0 or 3.5 lbs (it appears that they make it in both densities) which is not so good. This conflicts with some other sites (including the one you mentioned and some others I've seen) which list it at 4.5 lbs but this is from the Sealy site itself so its likely to be accurate.

The MD select may be a different density and perhaps this is 4.5 lb memory foam or it could be their name for one of the two lower densities listed but I haven't been able to track it down so I don't know for sure. If you look here ... it says that the MD select "offers a lower density feel" which implies it is a lower density than the MD-3 so it's possible that it is the same combination of 3.0 and 3.5 lb memory foams that are listed on the Sealy Canada site.

I just thought I'd post this in case it made a difference.

Phoenix
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