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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 17 Feb 2013 23:26 #1

Phoenix,
I had to take a break from my quest. I had nixed the wonderful Henry at flexus because i thought the 3" 24ILD talalay/6" 31ILD dunlop was too soft and his options were limited. I decided against the diamond hybrid. I was set to buy an electropedic double sided 1 1/2" 24ILD on 6" 36ILD talalay on a scape adjustable. When i tried it again i thought it too soft and their 44ILD core too firm. I took a break.

I visited Scott at FoamSweetFoam today. I liked his 4 layer talalay med/med/firm/xtrafirm. It seemed like a winner and felt better to me than the 3 layer models. I will need a support frame of some kind in my beautiful cal king bed that has only 4 slats. I'm not sure that i need an adjustable base.

Questions:
I know you said that 9" of latex is all most folks need but the 12" felt better. I think its supportive and good enough for pressure relief. I am 6'2" 210lbs and she is 5'2" 120lbs and we are side 80% back 20%. What do you think? Not concerned about the $$$.

The hollywood frame looks cheesy but will be mostly hidden in the bed. What do you think of it? I know you had mixed thoughts about it last May(thread with Supremo)

Can a 13" mattress go on an adjustable like the scape if i want that later?

What do you think of the FSF mattress vs electropedic 11" organic (9" latex with organic cotton cover without zipper... Do you like the idea of the zipper?

FSF has $200 off through monday. I can't visit electropedic by then.

What do you think of the mattress pad/protector and pillows at FSF?

Thanks!

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 18 Feb 2013 04:02 #2

Hi DrRich,

Here's what I "think" :)

You have done some great research and testing and eliminated all the "worst" choices (I don't think you even considered any "bad" choices)

Your body, some objective and subjective testing and the help of some very good local "experts" has told you which mattresses are the best "match" for you in terms of PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences)

Your own criteria is the best way to decide whether any extra cost of one mattress vs another along with the benefits and options that come with dealing with each retailer or manufacturer makes one a closer match to your own personal value equation .

At this stage only you can know which is best for you and any "theory at a distance" would not be helpful. Once you have narrowed down your list to choices between "good and good" which you have (and there are no warning signs in any of your choices) ... then its time for me to step out of the way and your own preferences and what is most important to you is the only way to make final decisions.

I know you said that 9" of latex is all most folks need but the 12" felt better. I think its supportive and good enough for pressure relief. I am 6'2" 210lbs and she is 5'2" 120lbs and we are side 80% back 20%. What do you think? Not concerned about the $$$.


Some of the benefits of thicker layers or mattresses are in post #14 here . In most cases 8" to 9" is all most people "need". It may not be what some people prefer however or in some cases the design of a mattress that they prefer or that can accommodate weight differences or other challenges may make a thicker mattress more desirable. Everything is a matter of your needs and preferences in combination with the design that makes your needs and preferences possible.

Can a 13" mattress go on an adjustable like the scape if i want that later?


Each manufacturer can tell you better if the specific materials and layers they are using can work well on an adjustable bed but in this case the answer would be yes. My own mattress has 11" of latex and conforms to my adjustable very well. Some mattresses that have over about 12" of latex may not conform quite as well but they would still be OK as well in most cases.

What do you think of the FSF mattress vs electropedic 11" organic (9" latex with organic cotton cover without zipper... Do you like the idea of the zipper?


I like both of these and think they are both good quality and value. The differences between them are a matter of preference and the importance to you of being able to access and change the layers in your mattress. I think that zippers can certainly add flexibility or "value" to a mattress design and allow for changing layers if one wears out faster of if your needs and preferences change in time but there is also value in a two sided mattress which can be flipped. once again it's a matter of what is most important to each person and which features they "value" the most. When you are down to all good choices ... I don't tend to think in terms of better and worse any more but only in terms of differences in features, options, ad preferences which may have more or less value to each person.

What do you think of the mattress pad/protector and pillows at FSF?


I have no personal experience with them and I haven't talked with FSF about them so I am really not the best person to ask this. I should probably be asking you since you have seen them :)

Based on the online description though they seem very nice and based on my knowledge of FSF I doubt they would carry anything that they didn't believe had good quality and value. It seems similar to the St Dormeir (which I like) or one of the wool/cotton Natura mattress protectors (which I own). Personally I like this style of protector.

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 18 Feb 2013 05:05 #3

Ok. That's sage advice. I think I will go with FSF. I need to support that mattress in my beautiful bed. I can buy their Hollywood Wire Foundation to go into my bed frame. Some time ago you wrote with some ambivalence about it. FSF seems to think its fine. Does one put some cover over the wires? What do you think? Any alternative aside from an adjustable? I want the top of the 13" mattress to be about 26" above the floor and the lip within the bed frame is at 8".
Thanks,
Dr. Rich

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 18 Feb 2013 06:27 #4

Hi DrRich,

I am still somewhat ambivalent about them.

My "gut" says that wires which have less supportive surface will tend to impress into the latex over time and this could be a durability factor over time. If you look at a wood slatted foundation the supportive surface for the mattress is about 50% or better. If you look at even the wire grid foundations that have the most wires ... the supportive surface is considerably less than 50%.

Because a mattress has a cover which will act to stop the latex from sinking into the gaps I don't think that any issues with these would be immediately obvious in the first few years but I do believe it could have an effect in the longer term lifespan of the mattress.

I can't "prove" this but I have talked with manufacturers that have seen latex core mattress that have been used on some of the other wire grid foundations that have been out for longer such as these from Leggett & Platt and they have seen clear evidence that the wires were impressing into the latex over time.

I would tend to use a fabric cover of some kind or even just a tight fitting box spring cover or thin padding to go over it to help support the mattress in the gaps between the wires. Some of these have a thin cover and even this may make a difference. A layer of firm polyfoam or a rubberized coir "bed rug" would be even 'safer" options.

This may be an overabundance of caution on my part or perhaps my risk tolerance is lower than others and this certainly doesn't make me "right" and others "wrong" but I personally wouldn't take the chance with a beautiful and rather expensive latex mattress. At the very least I would choose the type with the most longitudinal wires in it and put some kind of tight cover or padding on top of it.

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 18 Feb 2013 13:33 #5

I agree. Not sure how come FSF sells only that with their nice beds. I'm also at a loss for an alternative. I guess i could get my slats reinforced and buy a low profile box spring substitute from another place or go with an adjustable. Did you try to get the adjustable to match the mattress cover you already had?

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 18 Feb 2013 19:47 #6

Hi DrRich,

There are some good and inexpensive alternatives in the foundation thread here . I would particularly consider the mattresses.net and the SleepEz choices that are listed under the "KD foundation" section of the post, both of which use wooden slats that are less than 3" apart and would be perfectly suitable and can be shipped UPS.

Did you try to get the adjustable to match the mattress cover you already had?


No ... we were quite happy with the look of the sides of the Reverie ( which is white ) but my other half does like to use a bedskirt which hangs to the floor to reduce dust under the bed and this also covers the side of the adjustable bed and you also don't see the legs. A bedskirt can be chosen to "match" the mattress but since the mattress is covered almost all the time with sheets and bedding anyway this wasn't an issue for us.

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 18 Feb 2013 23:32 #7

phoenix,
what do you think of the metal frame with slats from usboxspring.com? i could put legs on it and with a 13"mattress it would be just a touch low at 25". The alternative is getting my four bed wood slats fitted with legs and putting a low profile foundation on it. seems like alot of work when i don't go with someone who will make one for me to sell me the mattress, huh?
Dr. Rich

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 19 Feb 2013 01:32 #8

Hi Dr.Rich,

They are one of the recommended foundations listed in the foundation thread and have the necessary spacing to work well for an all latex mattress. You can see my thoughts about them in post #15 here .

You could also use longer legs such as these if you wanted to raise it a bit.

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 19 Feb 2013 04:42 #9

You know, i dont think i can make my four 1X3" slats any better than they are with all my books supporting them. Do you think i can put the 12" latex mattress on my 6 yr old box springs and see how it goes? I put in the order to FSF and now i'm getting worried about creating a project here.

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Close to a Latex Bed Decision in LA... i Hope! 19 Feb 2013 05:30 #10

Hi Dr.Rich,

I think I may not be clear on what you are looking to do. I thought you were planning to order either the 14" wire grid at FSF or the usboxspring with legs to put under your mattress (as an alternative to the 14" wire grid foundation).

But you are now mentioning making your 1x3 slats better. I'm not clear on what you mean by this. If your 1 x 3 slats are more than 3" apart then I would use something else (or add more slats if you are comfortable with a DIY project or put a bunkie board or foundation on top of them).

So just to make sure I am clear on what you want to do ...

You have some kind of bedframe with 1x3 slats that run from side to side?

The bedframe has a center beam that is supported to the floor in the middle of the bedframe (to prevent sagging)?

The distance between these slats is more than 3"?

If this is the case ... then you would need something over these slats such as a foundation, a low profile foundation, or a bunkie board (usually about 2" thick) which had slats less than 3" apart or if the slats in your bedframe were fairly close to what you needed and only needed a little more evenly supportive surface then some kind of other material that could even out the support and prevent the latex from sinking through the gaps.

It seems you are also considering replacing the bedframe and slats completely with either the 14" wire grid foundation or a different foundation with legs?

And you are also considering using a set of older box springs instead of a rigid non flexing foundation?

If you do want to use the box springs then they could change the feel and performance of the mattress compared to a firm non flexing foundation but if they are in very good condition with no weak spots (you can test this with your knee in all the areas of the box springs to make sure there are no weak or soft spots) then it would be OK as far as having even support even though it wouldn't be ideal (thicker latex mattresses work best on a firm non flexing foundation).

Hopefully I've covered all your options but I'm not clear if you are keeping the bedframe with the slats you have or if you want to replace it with something else completely or if you are putting something inside the bedframe and removing the slats completely (like the picture in the FSF foundation page ).

Can you clarify or fill in what I'm missing?

Phoenix
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