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brooklyn bedding all natural 10" latex mattress vs. Alexis 24 Mar 2013 22:12 #1

I know this is a "new" mattress for them, I'm trying to decide between the all latex 10" and the Alexis - my husband is a predominately side sleeper (really is a all over the place sleeper!) and I'm trying to change that. :) I'm a back sleeper and tend not to move once I'm down for the count. Any recommendations?

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brooklyn bedding all natural 10" latex mattress vs. Alexis 24 Mar 2013 22:34 #2

I have the Alexis and I love love love it but if this 10" total latex mattress would have been on the BB store at the time I purchased my mattress, I defiantly would have went with the all latex. :D

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brooklyn bedding all natural 10" latex mattress vs. Alexis 25 Mar 2013 00:49 #3

Thanks IKure, it's good to know that either way I go would be a sound decision.

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brooklyn bedding all natural 10" latex mattress vs. Alexis 25 Mar 2013 02:44 #4

Hi GranolaKure,

You can read a little more of my thoughts about the differences between an all latex mattress and a latex/polyfoam hybrid in post #2 here .

The Alexis would be in between and I would personally choose a latex transition or middle layer over a polyfoam transition layer particularly for heavier people who would "go through" the upper layer and compress the middle layer more but I would also choose an all latex mattress over either if I could comfortably afford it even though it's also true that the deeper the polyfoam layer is the less effect it will have overall on both performance and durability. The Alexis also has two layers that can be either re-arranged or exchanged after a purchase.

As in so many things connected with mattresses ... It's really a matter of the tradeoff between budget and performance and on each person's personal value equation . Both would make great choices IMO.

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brooklyn bedding all natural 10" latex mattress vs. Alexis 09 Apr 2013 06:15 #5

We just purchased their Ultimate Dreams Eurotop, and right now we're not at all comfortable with it. In fact, I'm posting this at 2 am because I cannot sleep on it. I was very nervous about ordering something online that I could not test out first, but all reviews I read indicated that the customer service was very helpful to assist you in choosing the right "plushness" level.

I called before I ordered it so that I could get some guidance, but did not really get the feedback for which I was hoping. All I could get was that "most people order the 6" and that "it is better to get a firmer bed" because you can always make a firmer bed softer. Yes, you can make a firmer bed softer, but it's going to cost you $100 each time you try. I failed to ask for that detail and it was not disclosed up front.

I did not want to buy the more expensive eurotop mattress, but my husband said we should since it would give us the option of being able to trade out the top layer in case we didn't get it right the first time..........which we didn't. So, now it's going to cost us more. I'm going to order the top layer in a 8 or 9 to exchange out, but I'm still terribly nervous that I won't make the right call.

One other thing to point out with the eurotop in the "ability to get the plushness level right" is that if the layer you order to exchange out is not to your comfort, you are stuck with it. When you order another replacement layer (you're charged $200), you send back the original layer in order to receive a credit of $100. However, if I was not pleased with the replacement layer and sent it back and kept the original layer, I would not receive the $100 credit. They said it's because the replacement layer would be considered used, so you cannot get a credit. So, it is all a huge gamble and guessing game.

Another thing about the latex is that it is considerably hotter than a conventional mattress. I'm wondering how we're going to suffer through the summer with this. It's only in the 60-70's right now and we are both noticing how hot the bed is.

My advice is if you are unsure, don't buy online. If I had to do it all over again, I would stick to buying something that I could try out first. After 8 sleepless uncomfortable nights, I regret my purchase of the Dreamfoam bed! I was originally convinced by reading all the positive Amazon reviews, but now I'm no longer convinced. Also, the shredded foam pillow is not very impressive in my opinion. It loses its shape and is very lumpy. I'm trying to give this time, which is why I haven't posted a review on Amazon yet. My intention is not to bash the product, but merely tell of our experience.

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brooklyn bedding all natural 10" latex mattress vs. Alexis 09 Apr 2013 15:01 #6

This is disappointing to read... I'm very close to buying the normal latex bed on Amazon and the reviews are (mostly) glowing... what firmness level did you pick? Also, what kind of sheets are you using and are you or your husband, for lack of better wording, heaters (I tend to be always cold, but have had partners before who were like a space heater). Since I'll be in TX, a hot bed would be a very bad thing.

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brooklyn bedding all natural 10" latex mattress vs. Alexis 09 Apr 2013 19:30 #7

Hi 6488,

I'm not sure if it's because you wrote this after waking up in the middle of the night but you are certainly not thinking clearly and some of your assumptions and basic premises need to be corrected to put some balance into your comments.

We just purchased their Ultimate Dreams Eurotop, and right now we're not at all comfortable with it. In fact, I'm posting this at 2 am because I cannot sleep on it. I was very nervous about ordering something online that I could not test out first, but all reviews I read indicated that the customer service was very helpful to assist you in choosing the right "plushness" level.


There is nothing in your experience ... successful or unsuccessful ... than indicates that they have been anything but very helpful and provided you with accurate information that can help most people make good choices. Your personal success or the outcome of your choice has nothing to do with their helpfulness or the validity of their help. As in all the choices we all make in life ... you and you alone are responsible for the choices you make ... the risk you are willing to take ... and the outcome of your choices. The help of any person who is working with you to choose a mattress is always limited to helping you know what others in your circumstances would normally do well with based on "averages" and their experience with their customer base. There is no such thing as a "crystal ball" where someone can predict with any certainty what any specific person will experience when they are trying something they have never tried before whether it is an activity, a food, or a mattress, or anything else. Their role is to provide you with information that can help you make better choices with better odds of success ... which is exactly what they did.

I called before I ordered it so that I could get some guidance, but did not really get the feedback for which I was hoping. All I could get was that "most people order the 6" and that "it is better to get a firmer bed" because you can always make a firmer bed softer. Yes, you can make a firmer bed softer, but it's going to cost you $100 each time you try. I failed to ask for that detail and it was not disclosed up front.


We are all very different people and as in all things ... other people's experiences may not agree with your own which is why "comfort reviews" are not a reliable way to know how a mattress will feel and perform for you as an individual. Every one of those reviews were written by someone else who may have a very different combination of body type, sleeping style, preferences, or individual perceptions. If 990 people out of a thousand love a certain food ... it doesn't mean that somehow you will love it as well ... or that anyone has done you any kind of disservice (or provided lesser service) by telling you that most people seem to like it. Once again you are responsible for your choice in trying something unknown and to put any of the responsibility on the shoulders of the person that is helping you and making suggestions that are based in fact by telling you what other people prefer is not a self responsible position to hold.

I'm not sure what exactly you were hoping for but it's just not reasonable to expect anyone else to be able to predict how you will feel about anything including a mattress ... except by using the experiences of others as a guideline. When you say this was 'all you could get" ... you seem to be forgetting it is all that any reasonable or responsible person or business should provide you. To expect more than this from someone who can't feel what you feel or hasn't lived in your body is not reasonable. They did exactly what they should have done which is to provide you with the benefit of their knowledge and experience so you can make a more educated choice in the absence of your own personal testing (which you also could have done). To expect more than this is just not reasonable and puts people who are helping you in the position of being responsible for your choices when they aren't.

In addition to this ... it's also their responsibility to answer your questions to the best of their ability and not to anticipate every one of the hundreds of questions that different people may ask and answer them without you even asking. It is YOUR responsibility to make sure that all your questions are answered including what your options are if your comfort choice turns out to be less than ideal. They fully disclose their policy to anyone who has asks and it is included in several places on this forum as well ( see here for example ). You are responsible for the questions you ask and to make sure you understand your options before, during, and after your purchase. to imply that they are somehow "not disclosing" something because you didn't ask it makes no sense. It also wouldn't be reasonable to think that there is no cost to this service for those who need it when their margins and value are already among the best in the country. Nothing is free even though the cost of an exchange with them is nowhere near what it would cost to replace a layer outside of using their exchange service or even to replace a mattress if you were buying locally.

I did not want to buy the more expensive eurotop mattress, but my husband said we should since it would give us the option of being able to trade out the top layer in case we didn't get it right the first time..........which we didn't. So, now it's going to cost us more. I'm going to order the top layer in a 8 or 9 to exchange out, but I'm still terribly nervous that I won't make the right call.


It's a good thing that your husband was more aware of the risk of an online purchase than you were and thought about what may happen if your first choice wasn't your best one. I would be grateful that the cost of this service is so much less than having to start all over again. A layer exchange is part of the "value" of a mattress purchase and as I have mentioned in so many posts on the forum ... is part of each person's personal value equation . Once again it's just not reasonable in my view to think that this kind of service doesn't add to the cost of a product ... even though it is minimal ... and anticipating the possibility of making a wrong choice is part of every mattress purchase whether it is local or online. As the saying goes ... you can't have your cake and eat it too and the "value benefits" of an online purchase also includes the risk of purchasing a mattress that you haven't tried in person. The fact that you still have options available is a good thing ... not a reason for criticism or to "blame" a manufacturer about the extra cost involved.

One other thing to point out with the eurotop in the "ability to get the plushness level right" is that if the layer you order to exchange out is not to your comfort, you are stuck with it. When you order another replacement layer (you're charged $200), you send back the original layer in order to receive a credit of $100. However, if I was not pleased with the replacement layer and sent it back and kept the original layer, I would not receive the $100 credit. They said it's because the replacement layer would be considered used, so you cannot get a credit. So, it is all a huge gamble and guessing game.


Again .. you are being given facts here. Assuming that you would be entitled to unlimited exchange options or to benefits outside of their normal policy ... online or locally ... would not allow a the manufacturer to earn the profit from their efforts they are entitled to and without this ... they and their family don't eat and nobody would even have the option of buying any mattress that had great quality and value. If you exchange a layer ... the assumption is that the one you are exchanging is not suitable. What you are calling a "gamble" or a "guessing game" is really a calculated risk and this is the nature of all online purchases to lesser or greater degrees depending on the possibilities that are available to you and what the cost of these options are to a manufacturer.

Another thing about the latex is that it is considerably hotter than a conventional mattress. I'm wondering how we're going to suffer through the summer with this. It's only in the 60-70's right now and we are both noticing how hot the bed is.



This is also not accurate as a general statement. There are many possibilities that can contribute to the sleeping temperature of a mattress (see post #2 here for all the many variables) and there is no such thing as a single "conventional mattress". There are tens of thousands of "conventional mattresses" and each of them may have different temperature regulation properties depending on their design and the materials they contain. A more accurate comparison is to compare latex to other types of foam of a similar firmness level and from this context ... latex is the coolest and most breathable category of all the foam materials. Of course some of the other temperature variables also means that any foam mattress may sleep warmer or cooler than another one and natural fibers are also cooler than foam materials but in this case then you have the ability to make adjustments to this as well. Once again the specific experience of a particular person on a specific mattress when all the other variables aren't known are not a good basis for making a general statement that is not based in fact.

My advice is if you are unsure, don't buy online.


Again ... just like other peoples experience may be different from your own ... your own experience may be different from any other person. To give "advice" based on your own experience that may not apply to others is no different from making a purchase based on the approval of others (through reviews). Each person needs to recognize their own risk tolerance regardless of how anyone else may feel about their choices. Better advice would be to encourage people to realize that no online purchase (or any purchase for that matter) is risk free and to help them realize that they need to factor in their own risk tolerance to any purchase ... not to encourage others to do (or not to do) what you have done based on your own personal experience which is unique to you.

If I had to do it all over again, I would stick to buying something that I could try out first. After 8 sleepless uncomfortable nights, I regret my purchase of the Dreamfoam bed!


While it may be true that you wouldn't do this again ... I think this is also a little reactive IMO. 8 days is not even enough for the normal break in period of a mattress or for you to go through the normal adjustment period of any mattress and in addition to this you still have good options to make adjustments. While it may be true that you regret your purchase ... it seems to me that you haven't even given your own choice a reasonable chance yet and hopefully others that read your post (and my response) will realize that they may need to take more time before rushing to judgement.

I was originally convinced by reading all the positive Amazon reviews, but now I'm no longer convinced.


As I have already mentioned ... when it comes to comfort choices or how you will feel on any mattress ... using other people's experiences is one of the wort ways to make decisions and there is no guidance, advice, or reviews that can replace your own personal experience (either through prior testing, sleeping on the mattress, or a combination of both). All you can do is to lower the odds of a mistake and accept responsibility for your choices rather than flip flopping from one extreme position (I was convinced) to the other (I'm no longer convinced). Your basic premise here ... buying on the approval of others ... is flawed and I would encourage you to re-examine it's value. The mattress you purchased is great quality and value regardless of how you feel about it and because of your husbands insistence you still have good options.

When you put responsibility on others for decisions that you are responsible for ... all you do in discourage them from helping you in whatever ways are possible in the first place. Why would someone help someone else when they suspect that they will either become the "hero" or the "goat" ... and probably both ... in the same transaction. Again ... YOU are responsible for your choices and gratitude that you had the foresight to have such good options available to you is a much more effective way of dealing with mistakes than trying to seek blame for the choices you have made.

Also, the shredded foam pillow is not very impressive in my opinion. It loses its shape and is very lumpy


This is also typical of someone who is looking to blame others for their choices and tries to find more and more reasons to be critical. There are many people who love shredded latex pillows for the very reason that they don't keep their shape and can be re-shaped which is why they are so suitable for some people who sleep in multiple sleeping positions. The quality of a product has nothing to do with how well it works for or is a preference of any particular person and criticizing a product that you were given for free and that works very well for many people just makes no sense except as a way to 'throw mud against the wall" so that other people will feel the way you do and somehow that may make you feel better.

I need to be clear with posts like yours that this is NOT a review site where "customers are always right" just because they are unhappy and that posts that are unbalanced, overly critical, or seek to blame others for their own choices and don't take full responsibility for their choices will be put under the same spotlight that you are trying to shine on others. Consumers are often their own worst enemies.

Fair criticism is welcome here and has value. These types of posts though that seek to blame manufacturers or retailers that are going above and beyond in the quality and value of the products they make and sell or the service and guidance they provide to educated consumers (that take the time to do their own research and make informed buying decisions) are not helpful.

In another post on the forum you have asked for help ... but have you thought about the likelihood that anyone may be willing to help you when your post here indicates that they may become the next "target" of your criticism if their help turns out to be unsuccessful?

Again ... this is a site dedicated to helping people who take responsibility for their choices and providing them with facts and insights that can help them make lower risk and better choices ... not to provide some false assurance that any specific choice is somehow guaranteed to have a happy ending.

I'm trying to give this time, which is why I haven't posted a review on Amazon yet. My intention is not to bash the product, but merely tell of our experience.


It seems strange to me that you are claiming you are "trying" to give this time and "not bash the product" when you are doing just that and your "review" was written after only 8 days and you haven't even completed the process of getting to your final option. You have included the product, people, company, and free bonus you received in your criticisms ... and are also encouraging people to make choices based on your own limited experience alone (which doesn't even represent the majority of their customers). Saying you are not doing something doesn't change the fact that you are actually doing it ... and is the reason for this response.

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brooklyn bedding all natural 10" latex mattress vs. Alexis 24 Apr 2013 22:26 #8

Wow, that was a long thread. I have bought from Brooklyn Bedding before (not Amazon which is Dreamfoam Bedding). I made this same mistake the first time I was referred there. Dreamfoam Bedding is a separate company, so your wrong to say you bought from Brooklyn Bedding. They are owned by the same guy but they are still different.

Brooklyn Bedding provides a 120 trial for comfort, free of charge. Dreamfoam Bedding does not offer that for whatever reason, probably because the mattresses are much cheaper in price.

As for your Amazon order, I got the wrong comfort level the first time then exchanged it and it's perfect now. I know they are separate companies, but go talk with Jacob (he's the guy I talked to) at Brooklyn Bedding and I'm sure they will work something out for you.

www.brooklynbedding.com

Don't give up and post bad reviews, they are really nice people. Give them a chance to help.


For the Total Latex vs Alexis, I would go with the Total Latex for the same reason phoenix said, it has a deeper level of comfort and they say it's there best mattress.

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