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04 Apr 2019 19:51 #101
by mnn4532
Hello,
I have a blended Talalay latex topper in 3 inch 19 ild over a 28ild blended talalay latex topper over Leggett and Pratt pocket coils. After about a month it felt like it flattened out and did not relieve pressure points or properly support my back anymore. I got it from Arizona premium mattress. I am 5'11 and weigh 170. I have been switching the configurations around because it is not comfortable anymore and causing me back pain. The 28ild topper Is not as flattened out as the soft one is, which may just be normal softening. Is that normal for the 19ild topper? I didn't think I weighed too much for the soft topper. I have read that the synthetic is not as elastic as natural latex, but this seems unusual. Is it possible it could be defective? Has anyone else had this experience? Is this happening because it is blended latex and not natural? I really liked the initial feel of the soft latex. I also checked the foundation of the bed to make sure it was level, the slats are 2 inch apart. I even laid on just the pocket coils and there is no issues with those, it is definitely the latex.
Any suggestions??
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04 Apr 2019 21:58 #102
by lotus14
I am very interested to hear what the experts have to say. I'm having a similar problem - my blended talalay is softening at an alarming rate.
Sensei mentioned in another thread that blended is less dense than 100% NR. Related?
The interesting thing is that manufacturers say that blended is actually more durable than NR, especially at lower ILDs.
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06 Apr 2019 15:43 #103
by Sensei
Hey lotus14 and mnn4532,
I am not sure I can really add a lot to this conversation.
As I read both of these situations, I think we are talking about different things. The 19ILD talalay blended topper is one of the best selling toppers in all the latex business, so I think it is entirely appropriate for many people and there is not an "overall problem with 19 ild blended latex".
For you mnn4532, you have posted this issue several times, and I am sorry it is not working out for you. Statistically speaking, I usually do not think its a "quality of foam" issue, like softening too much. But it is not to say that it could be an issue with that particular core of foam, making it break down too fast, just no way to tell. I think that this combination is not the right fit for you and your particular needs. I am not saying I have the right answer, only you can determine what you need to go on top of the leggett coils.
Lotus. of course "rapid softening" does make me concerned, but still it is really hard to tell, wasn't this the topper w/o a tag? Which doesn't mean its 2nd quality, only curious if it was averaging closer to 17 than 19...just a thought.
Sorry if I can't bring any closure for you, but it does seem you will need to try a higher density topper to get you the right mix of support and pressure relief.
Thanks
Sensei
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06 Apr 2019 16:43 - 06 Apr 2019 17:07 #104
by lotus14
Thanks Sensei,
Good to hear that 19 ILD blended is so common and rare to have a problem with.
Yes, it's the same w/o tag 19 ILD blended. Perhaps I'm just surprised at the change in feel. It's more like the air goes out of whichever side I sleep on for a few days even with (an admittedly lite) cover, hence the feeling of losing support. It's probably just normal settling.
It IS on top of 24, then 28 talalay. Perhaps it just doesn't have enough support from underneath. I know some sellers use all talalay, but most of the recommendations I've gotten strongly suggest dunlop for the base layers. Sleeping Organic REALLY wanted me to use dunlop for the bottom two.
Perhaps I just need to exchange the 24 for a 36, 28, 19 setup? Sleep EZ suggested 38, 31, 20 with at least the base as dunlop. When I suggested 31, 31, 20 to them they strongly suggested both 31s as dunlop.
If I have to I could go with Arizona's thin but much stronger cotton/wool cover as well though I really like the feel of the thin, stretchy knit cotton I'm on.
Last edit: 06 Apr 2019 17:07 by
lotus14.
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06 Apr 2019 19:03 #105
by mnn4532
That’s Interesting, my toppers also do not have tags on the them, just 19 and 28 written in marker. I guess I will have to just try something else, thanks for your reply.
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06 Apr 2019 19:20 #106
by lotus14
As Sensei pointed out in another thread, the tags are often not present because the layers are split, so likely unrelated.
I'm going to give it a little more time. If the 19 I have continues to feel like the air is going out of it rapidly, I may switch to Sleep EZ's Radium talalay. Just hate to spend the money and effort to return these layers when I really don't know there's anything wrong with them. Could be just normal settling but I don't want to find out it's not months down the road.
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07 Apr 2019 12:32 - 08 Apr 2019 00:36 #107
by comp666
Edit: Ok apparently 19 ILD Talalay is the next step down in softness from 20 ILD Dunlop, so I'll give that a try first before 14 ILD Talalay.
Hello, I would like to know if 14 ILD Blended Talalay topper will be as soft as memory foam? The feel will obviously be different, but just want to know if it will sink as much.
I bought a puregreen medium firmness mattress from amazon that has 6" 34 ILD dunlop with 2" 20 ILD dunlop on top. I'm a side sleeper with wide shoulders and I woke up with sore shoulders every morning. I tried adding another 2" of 20 ILD dunlop, but that didn't really help. Recently, I tried 2" memory on top, and it was perfect in terms of pressure relief. No more sore shoulder! The only problem is it sleeps warm, and now I wake up sweating. I'm thinking of giving 2" of 14 ILD Blended Talalay from mayersbedding a try. Will this be closer to the memory foam topper and softer than the 20 ILD dunlop? Many thanks!
Last edit: 08 Apr 2019 00:36 by
comp666.
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09 Apr 2019 06:46 #108
by Sensei
Hey comp666,
Welcome to the
Mattress Forum!
. Thanks for the post.
I am going to answer a couple of things then give you some background links that may explain things better.
I would like to know if 14 ILD Blended Talalay topper will be as soft as memory foam? The feel will obviously be different, but just want to know if it will sink as much
The short answer is yes the 14ild will most likley feel softer, but its more complicated than that. Also 19ILD Talalay will not reallly feel similar to the 20ILD Dunlop latex, more info on both of these points below and in associated links. I think 19ILD talalay is good choice to try for your particular situation.
Latex and memory foam are very different materials and can't really be meaningfully compared to each other. You can read more about this at
this post #2 here.
Latex is highly resilient, has a more "on the mattress" feel to it, and responds to pressure. What you feel on latex stays the same over time. You can read more about the pros and cons of latex in this article and more about the different types and blends of latex
in post #6 here.
Also, what was the density / ild / brand of the memory foam you tried?
Another point, even though latex is "cooler" than memory foam, generally speaking...putting a plush talalay topper on mattress can sometimes "feel" hot becasue the latex envelops your body, thus covering more surface area....leading some people to love the feel but still be a bit too hot. Just FYI so you know going into it.
Thanks again, and please don't hesitate to ask any other questions you may have.
Sensei
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09 Apr 2019 13:58 - 09 Apr 2019 17:00 #109
by comp666
Sensei wrote: Also, what was the density / ild / brand of the memory foam you tried?
Sensei
2" thick, 3 pound density, by Sure2Sleep on Amazon.
mayersbedding recommended me 3" 19 ILD blended talalay topper for a 175 lb male so that's what I ordered. Hope it works!
Here's one interesting thing I found today when I decided to take some pictures of my back when side sleeping. My spine/legs/neck formed the straight line, commonly found in mattress ads (cough purple), with both the 2" 20 ILD dunlop topper AND the 2" memory foam. Despite this, the dunlop causes more pressure on my shoulders. If I stacked the 2" Dunlop on top of the 2" memory foam, my hips sagged into the mattress, breaking the straight line. I can see how playing with mattresses can be an interesting hobby!
Last edit: 09 Apr 2019 17:00 by
comp666.
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10 Apr 2019 08:04 #110
by Sensei
Hey comp666,
Thanks for the update, 2" 3lb memory foam. I like the 3" 19ild Talalay recommendation. Now you will have a 3lb memory foam topper, Talalay and dunlop.....a basic representation of most "mattress toppers".....really interesting about the pic of alignment of body.
I can see how playing with mattresses can be an interesting hobby!
Uh oh.......hobby.....or rabbit hole?
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