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Mattress comfort layers - latex

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28 Jun 2019 07:52 #111 by Kerra
Is copper infused talalay as comfortable and as durable as it would be if the copper were not infused?

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29 Jun 2019 14:22 #112 by Phoenix
Hi Kerra,

Thanks for the post. The short answer is yes it is just as comfortable and just as durable. The Talalay process is a very robust process, and it has proven to keep all of its benefits with the additives the Talalay companies have tried over the years...graphite, copper, FR chemicals, etc. Now, that is not to say that some chemists can find some minor differences in durability and loss of height between formulas, but generally speaking, it will feel very much the same to most consumers

All the latex you are likely to encounter is a good and durable material. The addition of copper used as a filler (such as TGs “Talalay mineral”) is generally used to improve the processability and heat transfer (due to the increased surface area) of the PCM. The benefits of Cu used as a filler in both memory foam and latex are more connected with its thermo-conductive properties and even though copper infused latex is advertised as having side “health benefits” (such as copper bracelets) to my knowledge these benefits have not been proven in copper infused foams. The main benefit for adding Cu to latex or memory foams would be for thermal conductivity (which generally is not an issue with latex, to begin with) so I personally would not make a priority to choose one over the other (with or without copper).

I hope this helps you in your search:)
Phoenix

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12 Jul 2019 08:43 #113 by Britexmom
First time poster here.....the site has been a wealth of information and helped me end my year long search for a new mattress, but now I need to tweak the comfort layer.
In March we purchased a one piece king PLB nutrition mattress, it sits on an adjustable frame. I am a side sleeper, 5.4 ft and 150lb. My husband is primarily a back sleeper due to sleep apnea and using a cpap machine, he is 6ft and 225lb.
I have back issues and can only sleep on my back if on an incline, usually about 3 am my husband removes the cpap and then will roll to his side.
After a couple of weeks of the mattress alone I could not side sleep due to sore hips and knee pain.
At this point I purchased the 2 inch soft PLB topper, while it's helped I still have some pressure points....in hindsight maybe I should have gotten the 3 inch. Now I am wanting to add another inch of latex, either on top of the 2 inch or directly under it.
I emailed Mayer's bedding and inquired about the soft 20-24 ILD Talalay, based on my size he recommended that would work as a medium soft, or go with the super soft if I wanted more plush. I have briefly thought about the blended but then I read on this page that some people had issues with the blended being too soft.
So now I am trying to choose on the non blended. Will the 20-24 ILD under the 14 still have some softness and still keep my posture in line or is 1 inch under the soft not going to have any impact ? So many options and I am struggling to make the choice.
I wanted to add for my husband he could literally sleep on cinder blocks or a marshmallow bed and it would all feel the same to him .
Thanks for any input and sorry for the super long post.

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13 Jul 2019 10:31 #114 by Sensei
Hi Britexmom,

Welcome to our mattress forum :).

Great post, thanks for sending.

I am very familiar w the PLB nutrition, high quality but not surprising you need to tweak the comfort layers.


"Will the 20-24 ILD under the 14 still have some softness and still keep my posture in line or is 1 inch under the soft not going to have any impact ?"

The 20-24 ild under will have some softness and will help keep you posture in line but your instinct on 1 inch losing some impact is true to some extent. Generally speaking the firmer comfort layers below softer are usually the same or greater height.

Question - The 14 ild soft plb topper is blended, correct?

The 20-24 ild you may buy is Talalay 100% natural?

You may want to consider a 2" 20-24 just to be safe, but only you know of this is necessary.

Also the natural Talalay is bit more dense when one compares same ild blended vs. natural. But the 24 ild blended will work below the 14ild you are already on.

Let me know of you have any other questions.

Thanks
Sensei

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13 Jul 2019 15:44 #115 by Britexmom
Thank you for your response. I am not sure if the topper I already have is blended or not, to be honest I just purchased it because it was the same company who made the bed. Would it say somewhere on the topper ?
So a 2 inch blended topper of 24 ILD might be a good option to go with, the blended is cheaper than the natural so the extra inch wouldn't cost quite so much.
Would it be worth considering a Dunlop layer or is it best to stick to the Talalay for one of the comfort layers.

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15 Jul 2019 11:27 #116 by Sensei
Hey Britexmom,

Thank you for responding also. Generally speaking, a Dunlop topper below the Talalay would work fine , and is pretty normal for companies to do this. I was under the impression that you liked the softness of the Talalay topper, but just not getting enough pressure relief. With Dunlop, even with similar ILD measurements, it tends to feel firmer than Talalay. Because you used Talalay already, and are familiar with it, I tend to recommend people stay with Talalay but increase the firmness. But of course I totally respect the budget part of this equation, so you have to really trust your instincts.

Thanks, let me know if something else comes up, and hopefully, you can update us if it works, or not?

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15 Jul 2019 13:08 #117 by Britexmom
Yes you are right that I do like the softness of the Talalay, I think my only decision now is the 1 or 2 inch and should it be natural or blended. We are heading out of town this week so I will be making the decision once we get home, and by then I will be desperate as hotel beds are never comfortable for me.

Since I am still feeling pressure points would it most likely due to there not being enough depth in my 2 inch topper or might it be too soft. Mayer's bedding does take returns but it's not free to ship back to them so I want to try to get it right the first time .

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17 Jul 2019 07:50 #118 by Sensei
Hey Britexmom,

Oh I get it.....hotel beds are the worst!!!!

You are correct about the issue is either not enough depth or too soft topper or quite possibly its both. You will be ok with either blended or natural in 24ild. If you do go 1 inch, you may want to get the Natural or the denser version. If Meyers uses Talalay Global, it would be their N2 or N3 topper in one inch.

Have a safe trip, and let us know if you have any other questions when you get back.

Thanks,
Sensei

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29 Jul 2019 10:33 #119 by blassy
Hello,

I'm looking to build a DIY mattress.
Stats: 6'1", 185 lbs, male, athletic/muscular build, predominantly a side sleeper. I also sleep pretty hot and can be a sweaty guy - so I'm really looking for excellent heat dissipation and breathability.

At this point I'm pretty sure that I'm going to go with an all-latex Talalay build - likely starting with a medium (#32) 6" core, but after that I'm a bit more uncertain about comfort layers. Here's what I'm seeking help with

1) I still have some outstanding questions about how some of the different Talalay options out there compare on heat dissipation and breathability. I've read other threads and understand that the difference between all-natural and blended Talalay is pretty modest when it comes to feel, but are there any differences in cell structure or other characteristics that affect the material's properties with respect to dissipating heat and moisture? Or are they pretty much the same?

2) I have also seen Copper Talalay comfort layers for sale out there (mainly on Arizona Premium Mattress' site). Am I correct in assuming these are blended Talalay? Does the Copper have a significant impact on temperature regulation? I've seen reviews to suggest that such a layer might (e.g. "Temperature Regulation Features" on this review: www.thesleepjudge.com/review/pangeabed-copper-mattress-review/ ) and the notion seems plausible considering that copper is such an excellent thermal conductor. But, how much copper is actually infused into this foam, and is there any other objective evidence that demonstrates a notable difference for the person sleeping on it?

3) Finally, I'm uncertain about layers. I was considering just going with one 3" plush (N2 #20-24 ILD) comfort layer of Talalay on top of the medium (#32) 6" core. But, would this be "over-plushing" for a person of my body type/sleeping style? Alternatively, I had thought about a 2" layer of medium (N3 #25-29 ILD) and a 2" layer of plush (N2 #20-24 ILD) of Talalay on top of the core. I figure this would leave me with some level of "configurability" to swap medium to top and plush further down if I find that I need a firmer feel. OR, would it just make more sense to ditch the core and go with a 3 x 3" configuration? I'm willing to spend money if it helps maximize my odds of getting the right balance of support and pressure relief, but I figure at a certain point there are diminishing returns.

BTW, I love this site. All the manufacturers here are absolutely committed to their craft. The objective info is crucial for consumers - it cuts right through the marketing hype that absolutely saturates much of the industry. Without this source of info and Jeff's Beducation Youtube videos I probably would've bought just another bed-in-a-box. Now I feel a lot more confidence in my selection.

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29 Jul 2019 14:23 #120 by agm413
Hi,

I currently have a 6" bolsa spring + 2" soft dunlop topper. It gives some lower back pain when back sleeping, although seems alright with side sleeping.

Main question would be, is it worth exchanging the 2" soft for a 2 or 3" medium, or adjust with a 1" medium or firm toppers to go between the springs and 2" soft topper.

Any suggestions or ideas would be great!

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