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Mattress comfort layers - latex

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04 Mar 2019 17:39 #51 by lotus14
Yes, I suspect foamorder's soft dunlop @ 11-18 ILD is similar to most supplier's soft dunlop @ 18-22. I'll have to take that into account with the base layers as well. Hopefully I'm correct in this assumption!

Foamorder's return policy isn't bad. At least they offer reduced shipping back. My real concern is that the latex will have a strong smell. GOLS dunlop shouldn't, but I won't know until I already have about 200 lbs of it!

The things I like about foamorder is their amazing warranty - 15 years for a topper @ 1/2 inch indentation! Also, I couldn't be happier with the sofa foam I bought from them 3 years ago.

My current thought for a very plush build is firm, med, soft, soft. Not sure if I'll go with a heavier 9" encasement (DIY bedding's quilted) and make the last layer a topper, or if I'll go 12" and DIY bedding's knit organic cotton and put everything inside.

Thanks for the help!

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04 Mar 2019 18:49 #52 by Jill71rdh
What about a 2 inch topper? With a bamboo/cotton cover? Would another 19 ILD give it a little more softness without changing the feel completely? Would a 2 inch 14 ILD be too soft? I am torn between the 2 in a 2 inch topper over my plush ultimate hybrid.

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04 Mar 2019 19:14 #53 by lotus14
I currently have a 2" 20 ILD dunlop topper (SleepOnLatex) over a plush latex mattress. And yes, it does give a little more softness but nothing too radical. Great topper for the price.

With my limited experience a 2" 14 ILD topper might simply bottom out and do very little. So if I were going with 14 ILD I'd definitely want 3".

Who are you considering ordering from? Dreamfoam's topper link will take you to their "sister site" mattresstopper.com (AKA Brooklyn Bedding). They only offer a 3" Talalay (soft, 19 ILD) but the good news is free shipping and free shipping on returns with no restocking fee.

For me, I'd rather stay away from talalay (having a bad experience with the smell) and stay with foamorder's GOLS dunlop. Also, foamorder's warranty is 15 years and mattresstopper.com is only 3.

Decisions, decisions!

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05 Mar 2019 11:48 #54 by Jill71rdh
I was going back and forth between Mattresses.net, Mayers bedding and Ultimate Sleep. Only the last 2 carry the 14 ILD. Is smell the only reason you prefer Dunlop?

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05 Mar 2019 12:31 #55 by lotus14
Yes, just the smell. Probably just the latex I happened to get.

I suppose you know that all 3 of those make you pay return shipping. Latex is bulky and heavy.

And yes, another 2" of 19 ILD would definitely soften the mattress, but you won't know what will work best for you until you try it. I'd try Sleep On Latex (or anyone with free returns) either 2" or 3" (3 will be softer). If it doesn't work out your can send it back for free and try something else.

Most of the time you can just let latex air out on it's own and it should ok. I've read it's a bad idea to put it in the sun or a fan on it or something so mine is now outside the encasement and airing on a guest bed. We'll see!

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05 Mar 2019 16:55 #56 by Sensei
Hey lotus14,

Thanks for the update, and I understand your concern about the smell. Whether or not a latex is GOLS certified is not related to latex rubber smell. The primary factor to a latex producer "controlling" smell or "limiting" a smell is done in the washing and secondarily the drying process. In theory, everything has "some smell", and we all have our own sensitivities.

As you already know both natural and blended Talalay has a similar "sugar cookie" or "vanilla" type of smell, pass the same tests for VOC's and offgassing, and both seem to be well tolerated by those who are very chemically sensitive.

I commend you for your knowledge, you are very well versed in many of these latex formulas, products, and companies. Good luck with your DIY mattress, I am looking forward to hearing how it goes.

Thanks
Sensei

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05 Mar 2019 17:23 #57 by lotus14
Hi Sensei,

I think it's also possible that my talalay simply sat compressed in a box much longer than the dunlop and just needs airing out. We'll see.

Any thoughts on 100% natural vs blended latex's durability as a general rule? I'm sure the actual manufacturing process of each has a big effect as well.

I have read many times that synthetic doesn't last as long, but Nest says they've gone to a 50/50 blend because it's MORE durable. Of course it's less expensive to make too, so...

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06 Mar 2019 10:45 #58 by Sensei
Hey lotus14,

This is a good set of questions, and the "internet" has some myths on this. Overall for talalay the blended's durability data is better than the 100% natural, and for Dunlop the data is tilted the other way toward NR being more durable...but this is really splitting hairs, as both of these "formulas" have exceptional durability compared to polyurethane foam.

As you will see in some of the TMU links at the end, in the lower ild's, especially in Talalay, the 100% natural may be a bit more durable (14-22 ranges). The process itself does not really affect the rule 100%Nat -vs- Blended...for the same manufacturer. What can be different is one manufacturer's durability versus another manufacturer's durability, both using the same "process" and the same "formula". Many times it's about the overall curing process of washing/drying/heat (curing) that can be critical.

This is a really good post by Phoenix about latex durability and longevity.

Why one changes to blends versus 100% natural are usually busniess reasons and it's always cost, quality, efficiency, etc. Then of course people in sales like to tell consumers what sounds best...but you know its a combination of these basic factors.

Good point about the rolled talalay...totally get it.

Thanks
Sensei

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06 Mar 2019 17:42 - 06 Mar 2019 17:58 #59 by lotus14
Thanks for the info and link Sensei.

Does anyone know of a good supplier of a ~14 ILD 3" latex topper?

So far it's only foamorder.
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06 Mar 2019 17:49 #60 by Sweet Dreams
I don't think it's appropriate to supply a direct link since they're not a forum member, but I've had only positive dealings with Mayer's Bedding who offers 3" Talalay toppers in either 14 ILD blended or 14-19 ILD natural versions. Hope this helps!

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