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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 07 Jul 2013 07:58 #1

Hi,

My husband and I bought a memory foam mattress from a local store that is well respected. (at least on yelp!) Our sales person was great and we liked that we were buying a product that was as natural as we could get for a memory foam mattress. The mattress felt great at the store, but I have been waking up very sore and I am hating the mattress. I went back to the store yesterday to try out some other options, but I'm not sure what would help. The salesperson said why I am sore depends on so many things and didn't have any advice. I"m hoping you can help. I have a 90 day ability to trade in my mattress in the store, but don't know what to trade to. My husband is not waking up sore at all - he is 195 lbs and I am 125 lbs.

You can see the specs for our mattress on their website. It's the Stevie. austinnaturalmattress.com/product/eco-avail-5-10/

I am thinking of trading to a 9 inch Willie. You can see their memory foam options here: austinnaturalmattress.com/product_category/natural-memory-foam/


Thanks for any advice!

Kate

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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 07 Jul 2013 19:57 #2

Hi rkate,

Here are the specs from the website:

  • 3″ of 4.5lb soft Eco Soy Based Memory Foam
  • 2″ of 3.5lb soft Eco Soy Based Memory Foam
  • 2″ of 1.5lb High Density transition layer foam.
  • 3″ of High Density Soy Based Firm foundation layer.


- What kind of sleepers are you and your husband (back, front, side)?
- Where are you feeling pain? Do you have a history of back pain?

From a technical standpoint, the design of the mattress seems reasonable, though the density of the support layer is low. The only thing that stands out is the "transition layer foam" which suggests a softer foam than the "firm foundation layer." If there is a "weak link" in your mattress, that would be it: 5" of memory foam is more than enough to conform to your body, and it requires sturdy support from below.

Another thing to consider is that this is a very soft mattress, and in our experience this amount of softness can often cause soreness in susceptible people. If this is the problem, a firmer mattress is what's needed - changing to the "willie" will not fix your issues.

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Novosbed
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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 07 Jul 2013 20:36 #3

Thanks so much for your response! My husband and I tend to be mostly back sleepers. I don't have any history of back pain and never had a problem with our 12 year old spring mattress.

So, the person at the mattress store was telling me that the Willie was the one that was the next firmest of this line of mattresses, and then the "Jimi" was even firmer than that. Looking at the specifications, do you think the Jimi or the Willie are not firmer than the "Stevie"?

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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 08 Jul 2013 01:17 #4

Hi rkate,

I would tend to agree with Novosed (not suprisingly :)) and it's very possible that the issues you are having are from a mattress that is too soft and compromising the alignment of your spine and/or joints.

There are some mattress testing guidelines linked in post #1 here and some other links to information which may help but your own personal testing will always be more accurate than any "theory at a distance" when it comes to making the best choice in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). Paying close attention to your support/alignment is perhaps the most important part of a successful mattress choice because you can always adjust the comfort of a mattress that is a little too firm.

I would also be cautious with the Willie because the second layer down is only 3.5 lbs which is a little on the low side and in combination with the 1.5 lb polyfoam below it still has 6" of what is likely to be soft foam (4" of memory foam and a 2" transition layer) which may still be too much soft material for you and may have an even bigger "weak link" than the mattress you already have (lower density memory foam). I would tend to choose a mattress with 4 lb memory foam and up.

I would also tend towards a mattress with thinner layers of soft foam on top so you are closer to the support layers of the mattress and your heavier pelvic area has less chance of sinking down too far and putting you out of alignment (which is what I suspect may be contributing to your soreness).

It would also be helpful as Novosbed also suggested to know more specifics about the "symptoms" you are experiencing but back sleepers generally need even less thickness and softness in the comfort layers than side sleepers.

Phoenix
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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 08 Jul 2013 09:09 #5

Hi rkate,

It appears that the "Stevie" is the softest ("super soft" top layer), and that the "Jimi" and "Willie" are slightly firmer, but still considered "soft"; without knowing the ILDs of the foam, it is impossible to say with certainty.

Phoenix nailed it (as usual :) ) - back sleepers usually require less conforming material, and a little more support.

Novosbed
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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 09 Jul 2013 10:21 #6

Thanks so much to both of you for all of the information!

To answer your question my entire back is often just sore in the morning. It stretches from my lower to upper back. I'm thinking that you maybe right, that the support is not enough for me. The Jimi has these layers:

2″ of 4.5lb soft Natural Soy Based Eco Memory Foam
2″ of 3.5lb Enhanced Punched Layer Natural Soy Based Eco Memory Foam
5″ of High Density Natural Soy Based Firm foundation base layer
1″ Rebound Base Layer

It sounds like you both have concerns about the other options from that line of beds - the Willie and the Jimi because the second layer is only 3.5lb. The only other brand option that I can trade to in this store, is a line by FXI, called the Rejuvigel. Are you familiar with this line?

The website does not have density information and the store said they didn't have it either. I could try to contact the manufacturer and find out the density.

Thanks,
Kate

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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 09 Jul 2013 11:01 #7

Hi rkate,

Your aches and pains are typical of someone sleeping on mattresses that is too soft.

3.5lb density is on the low side: at Novosbed we are not comfortable with anything less than 3.7lb foam, Phoenix would suggest 4lb (though 3.7 and 4lb could be the same thing depending on how the foam is measured: see here ).

My concern is less with the 3.5lb density (though this will not be as durable as something higher) than it is with the mattress being too soft (firmness is often independent of density).

I don't know much about the Rejuvigel brand, but perhaps they have a medium-firm model you can try. Getting foam densities (and other specifications) from many companies is laughably impossible, but you can certainly try (their number is 1-800-366-2194). If you could post your findings here, that would be great!

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Novosbed
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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 09 Jul 2013 14:22 #8

Hi rkate,

You can read a little more about the new Rejuvigel line here but as Novosbed mentioned it's not that likely you will be able to find out the foam specs (which is odd because Anatomic Global is owned by FXI which manufactures the foam).

Guidelines always have "fuzzy edges" and when you are at one side or the other of the range then using "best judgement" would be the way to decide. Foam is not manufactured to exact tolerances and there will always be variances in any batch so choosing a mattress that may be just outside the guidelines in some way would be a matter of "best judgement" and would depend on specific circumstances, budget, and personal criteria based on your own personal value equation .

Foam quality has little to do with the suitability of a mattress and both are important parts of making a good choice. No matter what the quality or value of a mattress if it's not suitable for your specific needs and preferences then it would not be suitable for you to sleep on and would have little value to you.

Phoenix
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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 14 Jul 2013 17:22 #9

Hi Phoenix and Novosbed,

My husband and I were able to go back to the store today to try out some other options. I am hesitant to try the Rejuvigel line and I agree that the Willie and Jimi were also too soft. They had another World Bed Studio that was a new option. They have requested the specs for this - but I pretty out of our priceline - $3500.

We did try a latex that is more reasonably priced and is more supportive. It wasn't has bouncy as some of the other Latex mattresses we have tried It is designed to be more of a transitional between a latex and memory foam. It is made by a local Austin company, called "Natural Rest Collection". The specs said that it has:

6 inch latex support base
2 inch slow recovery latex

Can you tell from that information if this is a well built mattress? This seemed like a good compromise of having some softness, but more support that our current Stevie.

Kate

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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 14 Jul 2013 21:11 #10

Hi rkate,

You didn't mention the type or blend of the latex but most latex is a good quality and durable material so there are no obvious weak links in the mattress in terms of materials (assuming these are the only layers in the mattress and that the mattress is 8" thick). With a 2" comfort layer you would likely be sinking in to the firmer base layer as well so the odds that this type of design would be too soft is lower (although I don't know the firmness of the layers).

Slow recovery latex also has similarities to memory foam in terms of feel and response but of course it's always important to make sure that your testing indicates that the mattress is suitable in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences).

Phoenix
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