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26 Aug 2013 16:51 #11 by Phoenix
Hi jwind55,

I hope I'm going to describe this correctly... Side sleeping, I'm not getting pressure relief in my hips and shoulders; and there's not enough support under my waist to be properly aligned. Back sleeping, there's not enough support under my lower back to be properly aligned. I was thinking that the right base or foundation could possibly improve some of these issues, and then I would work on finding the right topper. Please advise if this doesn't make sense.


this makes perfect sense to me and both your "symptoms" generally indicate that a topper would be helpful (which is often the case with the Edsele which uses firmer latex). Post #2 here and the posts it links to has more information about choosing the most appropriate topper. "Just enough" extra thickness and softness for side sleeping will reduce the risk of alignment issues when you are sleeping on your back.

Since I have an Ikea matttress, would the Ikea Atloy foundation likely be the best to try first? Or is the usboxspring product above a better choice? (Including delivery, they are very similar in price; however I can return to Ikea but not usboxspring.) Or would you recommend something else completely?


I would tend towards a firm non flexing foundation which is usually the best choice for an all latex mattress and then add the extra softness you are looking for as a topper. It's important with an all latex mattress that the gaps between the slats are 3" or less to provide even support for the mattress and to prevent the very elastic latex from sinking through wider gaps over time. There are many choices

The Atloy foundation is actually a box spring with springs and this isn't usually the most suitable choice for a foam mattress and there are also many less costly options in the foundation thread here that would likely work better ... especially if you are adding a topper to your mattress.

If I use a foundation, will I still need to "shore up" my bedframe with more slats? If so, should they be less than 3" apart? (I think this is where I've been confused between bases and slats and frames and foundations.) Does the bedframe itself have any effect on feel or support? For example, hypothetically, if the foundation was directly on the floor versus being on the bed frame.


I would use at least 5 wooden slats under the foundation with good center support especially in the middle 3. While I can't see it in person ... the 3 slats you have don't look very strong. The slats in the bedframe don't need to be less than 3" apart because a foundation will be on top of them. The 3' guideline is for the surface that the mattress is resting on.

If what is under your mattress flexes then it can affect the feel of your mattress but if it's rigid and non flexing (which is the norm for a foam mattress) then it will be the same as on any other firm non flexing surface that provides even support such as the floor.

Phoenix

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15 Sep 2013 21:58 - 15 Sep 2013 22:00 #12 by jwind55
Hello again Phoenix,

Well, it`s been 3 weeks since I last posted. And not much has changed - I just haven`t had the time. My daughter cut some fir slats to shore up my cheap bed frame (pic attached), and the Ikea Edsele mattress is now on it with the intention of buying a foundation to raise it up, but that still hasn`t happened. I have also intended to find the right topper for pressure relief as the Edsele is really firm for me and has become unbearably uncomfortable. About a week ago, out of sheer desperation and dreading another painful night of tossing and turning, I ran to Walmart and bought a 3`` SpaSensations memory foam topper (that I can return). It did help a bit that night but over the week it just got worse again. I`m exhausted.

Then a flyer from The Bay came and it had a Marshall mattress advertised in it. I had never heard of it so did some checking. Found some references on this forum, but mostly to do with the Marshall pocket coil system. Their website www.marshallmattress.com/Specialty/Specialty%20Detail/bay.html shows that it`s only their `Rest Assured` line that`s available at The Bay, and the location I went to had 3 of them - Serene, Repose and Bliss. After trying them all for at least a half hour each, I eliminated the Bliss. The other 2 felt quite similar (and comfortable) to me but the Serene is two-sided and flippable so I`m leaning towards it. This line does not appear to have any latex in it; however it does seem like a higher quality mattress than the typical big box brands. What is your take Phoenix? (Serene was $2,068 including foundation and delivery.)

Thank you so much!
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16 Sep 2013 00:52 - 16 Sep 2013 00:58 #13 by Phoenix
Hi jwind55,

About a week ago, out of sheer desperation and dreading another painful night of tossing and turning, I ran to Walmart and bought a 3`` SpaSensations memory foam topper (that I can return). It did help a bit that night but over the week it just got worse again. I`m exhausted.


The topper guidelines in post #8 here may be helpful in choosing a suitable topper.

The other 2 felt quite similar (and comfortable) to me but the Serene is two-sided and flippable so I`m leaning towards it. This line does not appear to have any latex in it; however it does seem like a higher quality mattress than the typical big box brands. What is your take Phoenix? (Serene was $2,068 including foundation and delivery.)


How well a mattress matches your individual needs and preferences is of course an important part of its value (as long as you have tested the mattress carefully and objectively using the testing guidelines and not just tested for the "showroom feel" or subjective "comfort" of the mattress) but a mattress is also only as good as it's construction and the quality of the materials inside it so knowing the thickness and specific type and quality of all the materials and components in a mattress is a key part of an informed mattress purchase. It's especially important to know the type and quality of all the foam layers above the coils because without this information there is no way to make meaningful quality or value comparisons between mattresses or identify any potential weak links in terms of durability. A mattress will soften and break down from the top down and the loss of comfort and support that goes with the early softening of lower quality materials in the comfort layers is the main reason people need to replace their mattress and the loss of comfort and support isn't covered by a warranty.

It's the job of the salesperson to provide you with this information (or phone the factory if they don't have it) but it's also not likely that the salespeople at the Bay know very much about how to identify good quality materials and may be little help in educating you about the quality of either mattress. If you can provide the details of all the layers in both mattresses from the top down including the thickness of each foam layer, the type and density of any memory foam or polyfoam, or the type and blend of any latex in the mattress and post it here I'd be happy to help you identify any potential weak links in the mattress or make more meaningful comments about either of them. Without this ... the only information you have is the brand of the mattress or a few of the less meaningful specs which really don't mean anything.

The gaps in your foundation look fine (under 3") for use directly under a mattress although the thinner slats look like they're thinner and lower than the wider slats and I can't really see the details of the center support so hopefully this is good as well.

Phoenix

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