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Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!! 28 Aug 2013 20:42 #1

First off, howdy folks and thanks for all of your help with the site. Okay, a little background. I just got out of the military and I'm suffering from back pain and joint pain. I am also a stomach sleeper mostly, sometimes on my side. My wife is a side sleeper. I have been meaning to buy a mattress for some time and did quite a bit of research of this site prior to going out today. I visited a number of stores(in windsor ontario) that all carried the big brands ie. serta, sealy, S and F etc...) and just feel completely discouraged. I educated myself on the different materials and technologies and came away no closer to making a decision.

One bed I did find comfortable was a Sealy Posturpedic Angus Glen Euro top. It was a dual layered coil, which I didn't really like the idea of and a euro top, which I didn't expect to like. I do need a firmer mattress because of my back and stomach sleeping, but am very concerned with durability etc... I didn't have an opportunity to try a quality firm latex bed, are there any dealers of such beds in windsor? I have been unable to tell. what is your thought on these dual layered pocket coil beds, gimmicky, crap, not bad??? Can you recommend a dealer or place to check out locally, or point me in a direction manufacture wise? I am just looking for something durable, with good isolation, support and not too hot. I am a very warm person naturally, so something like tempurpedic is not going to work for me, and is too soft too. I did try them out. As you can see from this post, I am all over the place ha, ha...

Oh and I'm not a brand snob, I am more than happy to avoid the big brands, but I had a very hard time finding anybody who a) were honest b) were knowledgeable and c) sold anything but the major brands. Factory direct sleep expert sounds perfect!

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Last edit: by Ejones.

Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!! 28 Aug 2013 22:05 #2

Hi Ejones,

I am not a mattress expert, but I can respond to several of your points for my own experience only. My husband and I purchased a Sealy Posturepedic mattress twelve years ago. Before long, there was "hump" between the area where my husband laid, and where I laid. I said to him that when they delivered it, they must have given us the wrong mattress, as this one must be designed to keep each person on their side of the bed. Eight years later, my back was killing me, and I was getting muscle spasms because the bed was getting saggy.

We loved my brother-in-law's bed and asked what brand/model it was. It was so super plush and cushiony, we were in love!! They said it was a Sealy Posturepedic. Not remembering what brand/model our existing bed was (and forgot to look), we went to Sleepy's and laid on many beds. Again, we went with a Sealy Posturepedic with a euro pillow top that was pretty firm. Within 6 months, there was already impressions in the pillowtop, where we both lay. Because of the pillowtop, we cannot flip it, just rotate it, so we did. What made me crazy, is that neither of us are big people -- I was 5'7" and 135 lbs, and my husband was 5'4" and about 165 lbs.

At that time, I was in love with the latex, low profile soft pillow that I bought at Sleepy's, and called Latex International, the manufacturer to find out where I could buy more (for a cheaper price than the $100 Sleepy's was charging). They pointed me to a former executive of LI, Bob Zukowski, who now owned his own pillow and custom mattress store. When I spoke to him, I mentioned about how I was frustrated that my "new" bed already had ruts in it. He said it's because of the foam in the pillowtop is petroleum based, and begins to break down immediately with pressure and body heat. Talalay (natural latex) does NOT do that because it's natural, and in general, lasts around 20 years without a break-down in performance. He told me about custom beds, and it's ability to be customize each person's side to their personal comfort (which may not be the same as your partner), it's excellent support for people with bad backs (at that time I only had one herniated disk), and it's ability to isolate movement. All of these were of particular interest to me (my husband has Restless Leg Syndrome, and in the Sealy Posturepedic, I am jostled around with every shake of his leg!), but having just spent over $3,000 on the Sealy, and it only being 6 months old, I couldn't justify trashing it.

Flash forward three and a half years, and the ruts in my Sealy Posturepedic are HORRIBLE. There is a big lump again between us, and the coils are no longer functioning the way they should. I recently woke up screaming in the middle of the night because of back spasms. When laying on my side, the area between shoulders and my hips is completely concave, and my spine is in a U shape!

3 months ago, I injured my back even more, and had 3 herniated disks in 4 places; one was so bad, the herniation was pressing against my spinal cord, causing paralysis in my foot. I couldn't have slept ONE night in the Sealy bed after that -- not for $1,000,000. I've been sleeping on an Ikea firm foam mattress ever since (a little too firm). So now I have a $3,000 mattress that is completely useless to me, and quite honestly, my husband is completely disgusted with that mattress too. He is 5'4" and now close to 200 lbs, and is bottoming out in the mattress. I was shocked when I saw it this morning!! Now he is waking with muscle spasms and a sore back, and the mattress is only 4 years old!!

Since I knew about the latex beds, I told my husband about how I thought this would be a good thing for both of us. He has never slept on anything other than a spring/coil bed, so I think he was a little uncertain about the latex, but we went to a local retailer and tried the Savvy Rest Serenity. We each tried different configurations of the layers until we both found a combination of layers that was comfortable for each of us, and they were different! I don't know why companies have not thought of this before!! Every person is different, so why does one person have to settle for something that's not comfortable for them?? In either case, we are BOTH THRILLED to be getting the latex bed -- for many reasons -- it does not permanently compress or disintegrate so we will never get ruts or a hump, and we both love the feel of the latex bed -- we feel like we're floating in mid-air!! No pressure points whatsoever!! There will never be a hump between us, it will give us superior back support and pressure relief (no more arms going dead and waking up with pins and needles), we both get to sleep on what's comfortable for us, and no motion transfer! After spending almost $7,000 on Sealy mattresses over the last twelve years, I am DONE. They will NEVER see another penny from me! Now, buying a quality latex bed, that's a $3,000 (or less) investment in your health, both for your back and for sleep quality!! And best yet, it should last about 20 years!! YAY!!!

As for your question about what mattress is not hot, I don't have my bed yet, but if my latex pillow is ANY indication, you shouldn't be hot in it, either. My daughter has a 2" Talalay topper on her bed, and she's never complained about it being too hot. There are holes that run throughout the material, and as long as you have the proper foundation or platform bed with spaced slots, then it can breathe. The layers are also encased in a mattress cover that should have wool in the top zippered part that you lay on, so that again is a good, natural material that will breathe.

I would try to find ANY retailer in your area that has a multi-layer latex bed for you to try. If you can't find one at all near you, yet think it may be right for you, I would order it from sleepez.com -- they have a 90 day refund policy that you can return the entire bed for a refund if you don't like it!

I wish you much luck in finding the right mattress for you. And thanks for your service to this country. I hope you find a mattress you'll be happy with, soon!! :)

Best,
Melissa

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Last edit: by MelissaRz.

Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!! 29 Aug 2013 02:42 #3

Hi Ejones,

The first place I would start your mattress research is post #1 here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices. Perhaps even more importantly it can help you with what to avoid such as most major brands and mass market retailers and chain stores.

I do need a firmer mattress because of my back and stomach sleeping, but am very concerned with durability etc... I didn't have an opportunity to try a quality firm latex bed, are there any dealers of such beds in windsor?


A mattress is only as good as its construction and the quality of the materials inside it and being able to assess durability and any weak links in a mattress (usually in the upper layers) is the reason that it's so important to know the specifics of every layer in a mattress because you can't "feel" the quality or durability of a mattress in a showroom (low quality materials can feel just like higher quality materials ... they just don't last as long).

Some of the better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the general area are listed in post #8 here but there is only one that is local to you (and their website is no longer working) so I'll take a look tomorrow and see if I can do some preliminary research and narrow down some of the better options and possibilities in the Windsor area.

Phoenix
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Last edit: by Phoenix.

Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!! 29 Aug 2013 06:17 #4

thanks so much for the replies. I went out yesterday with the intention of finding a high quality latex bed from an independent dealer but ended up at the big box stores for lack of options to be honest. Your stories are the exact reason I don't want to do the sealy option, I'm just not feeling much option at this point. Hopefully you might be able to find someone Phoenix, and THANKS for taking the time to even try! cheers. P.S. I'm only in my 30's and I'm waking up like an old man every morning, not cool.

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Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!! 29 Aug 2013 06:26 #5

For others in the area, Monarch Mattress is still around and advertising in the Windsor Star, just no website. What's your take on these guys Phoenix, I'm thinking of checking them out. I have two little kids with me, so the more informed I am the easier it is when i get there. There number is 519-252-8329. I'll call them myself, are there any questions in particular you like to ask when vetting a dealer?

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Last edit: by Ejones.

Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!! 29 Aug 2013 07:34 #6

I bought a Latex mattress online - from Brooklyn Bedding.
My previous mattress was a Sterns and Foster. I had it just over 7 years but woke up in so much pain each and every day; sometimes, I couldn't even sleep. I was visiting either the chiropractor or acupuncturist at least once a week. All of that is history...My new Aloe Alexis has changed me from feeling 80 back to the mid 40's that I am.
I was a little scared to buy online but I am so happy I did it. The quality equation was resolved by learning what to look for (on this Forum); so, I believe that I have up to 20 years of excellent rest coming before I need to replace my bed.
As for your preference, only you can determine what feels good, relieves pressure and supports correct alignment.
My opinion is this: Try several different types of bed locally (Latex, Memory, spring...) but if the price isn't right and you cannot get the quality details (Density, type of foam...etc) consider the companies that are listed in this forum.

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Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!! 29 Aug 2013 08:02 #7

I agree with Jefmoody. Definitely NOT cool to feel 80 when you're much younger, but I can certainly identify!! I'm 43 but I feel 100 after my back surgery, and I am waiting for my Savvy Rest with baited breath, because I KNOW that will definitely help in my recovery. There's no way to heal when you're sleeping 5 hours or more in a Ikea foam bed that a little too firm, and not in the proper alignment... :(

I just wanted to mention that SleepEZ.com offers a 90 day full return period, if I'm correct. During that time, layers can also be swapped via mail, until you find the perfect configuration for you.

I don't know what happened to Sealy's quality recently, but I've been through 2 Sealy Posturepedics in 12 years, which is absolutely ridiculous. The last one is only 4 years old, and is only comfortable to our daughter who is 10 years old and 80 lbs. And it's not like we're big or heavy people! I'm 145 and my husband is 185. No quality mattress of any make-up (innerspring, memory, etc.) should fall apart like that in only 4 years!! I would definitely avoid any of the regular names (Sealy, Serta, etc.) you can get at the retailers.

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Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!! 29 Aug 2013 08:06 #8

the problem i'm running in to is finding somewhere I can try these mattresses out. I don't want to order online blindly. The more research I do and the more feedback I read, the more I am intrigued by the benefits of a high quality latex bed, but I haven't even been able to lie on one yet.

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Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!! 29 Aug 2013 08:08 #9

Are you in or near NYC? You can try a Savvy Rest mattress (dual side customizable, 3 layer latex bed) at The Clean Bedroom and at Scott Jordan (if I remember correctly).

I am in Queens, and didn't want to worry about parking or traffic, so I went to Massapequa to Sleepworks to try the Savvy Rest. I originally had planned just to try the bed, and buy from SleepEZ -- I just wanted my husband to try the latex bed (he had no previous experience with latex beds and was a little apprehensive about it), and also wanted to try to find the configuration that would be right for both of us, in order to limit the number of layer exchanges we'd have. However, I DID buy the Savvy Rest from Sleepworks because layer exchange would be much easier. I'd just have to drive to Massapequa, instead of shipping the layer back...

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Completely overwhelmed following shopping trip today, need HELP!! 29 Aug 2013 08:13 #10

I'm in Windsor Ontario, across the river from detroit.

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