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Celsion Talalay / wool topper and temperature regulation 21 Sep 2013 19:53 #1

Ahoy!

I'm looking to add another 1 inch layer to the top of my bed and also gain some temperature regulation, I sleep hot. My original thought was to add a 1 inch wool topper (snug fleece) and see if that solved my problems. My next step was to add a 1 inch layer of soft latex under the wool topper. I recently came across Celsion latex (I believe it is GL fast response now?) and I'm wondering if I can kill two birds with one stone. However, I can only find one supplier of Celsion toppers and there is little information on how effective the temperature regulation is.

Any ideas on where I can buy GL talalay toppers and how they might compare to wool toppers when it comes to temperature regulation?

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Celsion Talalay / wool topper and temperature regulation 21 Sep 2013 21:10 #2

Hi jomokins,

I don't know of any specific comparative information about how Celsion (which as you mentioned is now called Talalay GL fast response) compares to Talatech blended Talalay (which is already one of the most breathable foam materials) but I would say the difference would be "slight" (which is how it is characterized on the Pure Latex Bliss site) and like most gel materials it would be more effective at the beginning of the night when you were first going to sleep than it would be once temperatures equalize when you have been on the mattress for a while.

Ventilation and moisture wicking is the most effective technology in terms of temperature regulation over the course of the night (which is why wool is a more effective temperature regulating material). Gel foam technology can add a slight secondary benefit but would not be a primary source of "cooling". There is more about the factors that can affect sleeping temperature in post #2 here .

Sleep Like a Bear here sells Celsion (Talalay GL fast response) in 1" - 3" thicknesses and all sizes. KTT enterprises may not carry it in stock but should be able to order it for you if they don't and some of the others listed in post #4 here may also be able to order it as a special order.

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Celsion Talalay / wool topper and temperature regulation 07 Feb 2014 21:42 #3

Joemokins, did you ever buy/find the celsion latex? I ask because I too am looking for celsion latex. I have only found it readily available at sleeplikeabear. I asked if KTT carries it or could order it, but I haven't heard back yet.

Anybody know what the difference is between the celsion 21 ILD 3" layer and the 3" rejuvenite talalay GL fast, both of which are on sleeplikeabear? Seems like the same thing just different branding and one comes with a cover. I ask because the rejuvenite is almost 150 cheaper in the eastern king size.

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Celsion Talalay / wool topper and temperature regulation 08 Feb 2014 00:22 #4

Hi wbroshea,

Anybody know what the difference is between the celsion 21 ILD 3" layer and the 3" rejuvenite talalay GL fast, both of which are on sleeplikeabear?


The Talalay GL is the new name for Celsion and is just a different name. Here is a quote from the Sleep Like a Bear site ...

Wow, Celsion™ has continued to evolve! Celsion™ is now called Talalay GL and there are now two variations: Talalay GL Fast (same original Celsion™) and Talalay GL Slow (cool latex that feels like Memory Foam). Only recently after this change, the color of Celsion™ was changed, too! Celsion™, the new Talalay GL, is now in light pastel green color. Note that SleepLikeABear cannot guarantee the color of the Celsion™ product that you will receive as that depends on availability. We will continue to sell the cream color Celsion™ while supplies last.

Note that just recently in April 2013, Latex International has announced to us that they would stop making any more light pastel green color Celsion™/Talalay GL Fast. We are going to miss the beautiful green color but the cream color remained to be the universal color that everyone prefers. The green Celsion™ will be sold while supplies last.


Rejuvenite is their tradename for manufactured toppers and pillows (rather than latex layers or cores). The Talalay GL topper with a zip cover here is $427 and the Rejuvenite topper here is $395 (both in Eastern King Size) so I'm not sure where the $150 price difference is that you are referring to. The difference may be partly because the Rejuvenite is made as a topper by Latex International at the factory and in the difference in the covers but Evelyn will be more familiar with how they compare and any reasons for the price difference than I am.

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Celsion Talalay / wool topper and temperature regulation 08 Feb 2014 06:40 #5

Phoenix wrote: Hi wbroshea,

The Talalay GL is the new name for Celsion and is just a different name. Here is a quote from the Sleep Like a Bear site ...


Yeah that's what I thought too. That's why I was confused.

Phoenix wrote: Rejuvenite is their tradename for manufactured toppers and pillows (rather than latex layers or cores). The Talalay GL topper with a zip cover here is $427 and the Rejuvenite topper here is $395 (both in Eastern King Size) so I'm not sure where the $150 price difference is that you are referring to.


If you change the size to eastern king for both the added cost for the one described as celsion goes to 795 and the rejuvenite is 650. So technically 145. Regardless I will send a message to sleeplikeabear and find out if there is a difference. Great way to save a little money if they are in fact the same product.

Also wanted to thank you for all of your contributions, not just with this thread. While this may be my first posts, it certainly isn't the first time I have read and used the information in your posts. So thank you for all the help you have provided both me and to all the other users of this website.

Edit: Ok so I haven't figured out how to split up quotes yet. Sorry for the confusing looking post. Edit 2: maybe that looks better.

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Celsion Talalay / wool topper and temperature regulation 08 Feb 2014 10:27 #6

Hi wbroshea,

If you change the size to eastern king for both the added cost for the one described as celsion goes to 795 and the rejuvenite is 650. So technically 145. Regardless I will send a message to sleeplikeabear and find out if there is a difference. Great way to save a little money if they are in fact the same product


I must have been too bleary eyed when I replied to you last night :)

The Celsion without a cover is $795 and with a cover is $978.

The Rejuvenite comes with a cover and is $650

The return policy is slightly different (it's an add on to the Rejuvenite).

The warranty is different as well (5 years vs 20 years).

So if both are ordered with a cover there would actually be an even bigger difference than you mentioned.

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Celsion Talalay / wool topper and temperature regulation 09 Feb 2014 06:06 #7

Just want to follow up, sleeplikeabear confirmed exactly what Phoenix said. 5 year vs 20 year warranty, added cost for return policy. But they also confirmed that the foam is the exact same foam. Reason for cheaper price is limited ild which allows mass production which lowers cost plus other mentioned factors (warranty/return policy). Personally I'm not sure the added cost would be worth it.

I have a message into to KTT, as Phoenix mentioned, but I imagine they will have to contact Latex International to find out if they can get it, so I don't expect a response until the work week. Out of curiosity, is KTT a memeber here and do they offer any kind of discount to members of this website?

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Celsion Talalay / wool topper and temperature regulation 09 Feb 2014 12:23 #8

Hi wbroshea,

Out of curiosity, is KTT a memeber here and do they offer any kind of discount to members of this website?


No ... they aren't a member (they don't sell mattresses). The membership list is here .

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Celsion Talalay / wool topper and temperature regulation 10 Feb 2014 07:28 #9

Phoenix wrote: Hi wbroshea,

No ... they aren't a member (they don't sell mattresses). The membership list is here .

Phoenix


Interesting, when they contacted me back with prices and they quoted me for mattresses. However upon closer inspection, it looks like they don't sell a particular combo as a mattress rather you pick out your ilds and layers and then they sell it as a mattress at the same price as if you were buying individual layers.

Regardless, I have a question regarding my mattress selection. My wife and I tried the PLB beautiful and nature in a store this weekend. I liked the nature although it was on the firm side of my comfort range (too firm for the wife). My wife liked the beautiful, but it was on the soft side of her comfort range. (too soft for me). So naturally we wanted a model somewhere between these two mattresses as we believe we would both be happy. Our thought was to use the ILDs from the nature (21 and 28 vs 21 and 24 for the beautiful) and the thickness of the layers from the the beautiful (3' for the top two layers vs 2" in the nature).

Any opinions on this. I am worried that this may not "firm" the mattress up enough being a small change in the ILD of the second layer. My wife definitely liked the sinking in feeling she got with the 6" of top layers. That's why we thought of switching the layers to the nature and keeping the thickness of the beautiful vs using the beautiful layers with the nature thickness.

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Celsion Talalay / wool topper and temperature regulation 10 Feb 2014 12:32 #10

Hi wbroshea,

Our thought was to use the ILDs from the nature (21 and 28 vs 21 and 24 for the beautiful) and the thickness of the layers from the the beautiful (3' for the top two layers vs 2" in the nature).

Any opinions on this. I am worried that this may not "firm" the mattress up enough being a small change in the ILD of the second layer. My wife definitely liked the sinking in feeling she got with the 6" of top layers. That's why we thought of switching the layers to the nature and keeping the thickness of the beautiful vs using the beautiful layers with the nature thickness.


There isn't any way for me to know how well this will work for either or both of you in terms of PPP but as you mentioned it would b a small increment firmer than the Beautiful and a fair bit softer then the Nature.

I would think it would be closer to the Beautiful than the Nature.

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