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Comparing four different innerspring mattresses 25 Nov 2013 18:20 #1

Hi Phoenix & others,

I am narrowing down our mattress search. We are looking for latex-free without chemical FRs. Preferably as low VOCs as is possible.

What do you think about the options listed below?

The first two are very competitively priced, but contain polyurethane foams. The last one is completely organic, and the most expensive.


www.bedroomsandmore.com/images/products/mattress/lady-americana/two-sided-mattress-mulberry-plush.htm
www.bedroomsandmore.com/images/products/mattress/lady-americana/two-sided-mattress-laurel-plush.htm
www.bedroomsandmore.com/images/products/mattress/therapedic/cotton-wool-mattress.htm
holylamborganics.com/Mattress%20Pages/organicspringmattress.html

The last two are also the most firm and I will plan to use a topper (or two!)
Thank you in advance!!!

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Comparing four different innerspring mattresses 25 Nov 2013 19:43 #2

Hi buttercupbetty,

1. Remember to start with the tutorial post to evaluate different mattresses :) since you're starting over, remember to follow the basic steps. You're trying to evaluate for PPP, and it's going to be a bit more difficult this go around since you're eliminating potential matching beds based on materials.
www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-forum/general-mattresses/8240-how-to-look-for-and-find-the-best-mattress-for-you-read-first.html

2. I'd make sure I'd look at the price of toppers if you are pre-planning the need for one. I have a 3" wool topper, and I can say, based on your budget, a good wool topper can easily consume 1/4 to 1/2 your budget. Also, while on the topic, you're best to try the topper in parallel with the mattress when testing PPP, especially if you think it's a 'done deal' that you're going to do that.

3. If you're considering allowing polyfoam, that's a whole different series of options ... The safety cert for polyfoam (and memory foam) is usually CertiPUR, but sometimes Oeko-tex 100 is used. Those standards test for various chemicals and, in theory, protect you from any harmful chemicals via off gassing and some other kinds of exposure. In any event, if you're considering polyfoam then there's about a billion different mattresses you could chose from ;) (ok maybe not a billion, but all the all-foam mattresses, all memory foam, all spring with foam, etc.) Allowing polyfoam or memory foam dramatically increases the number of options available to you.

4. You might need a prescription to get a bed made without chemical FRs, which may be an option in addition to a mattress with a non chemical FR barrier. You might want to get that proactively.

5. To evaluate the durability of the mattresses, especially those with polyfoam or memory foam, you need to know the thickness and density of the foam of all layers, top down.

6. See #1. Remember to go back to the starting point for evaluating a mattress.

7. Good luck and have fun :)

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Comparing four different innerspring mattresses 25 Nov 2013 19:47 #3

Hi buttercupbetty,

With the Mulberry and the Laurel I would want to know about the density of the polyfoam in the mattress and because of its importance to you I would also want to know the details of their fire barrier. There are several types of "inherent" fire barriers and these may be a viscose / polyester (PET) type rather than a viscose / silica type (the polyester may include chemicals in its manufacturing that you may not be comfortable with although they would generally be considered to be "safe" but it would be difficult to find out the specifics of the polyester).

The two sided innerspring / cotton / wool by Therapedic at Bedrooms and More wouldn't have any weak links in the mattress but as you mentioned an innerspring / natural fiber mattress tends to be firmer than a foam mattress and will develop some some natural impressions or "nesting" and become firmer over time as the natural fibers compress. The "feel" of these types of mattresses will also be affected bu the specifics of the innerspring system they use. Again ... because of your concern for any chemicals in a mattress I would want to know that there were no chemicals used in the production or manufacturing of the wool and the cotton (cotton especially uses more pesticides in it's production than any other agricultural crop so it may be important to make sure it's organic or at least pesticide and chemical free). There are some very high quality and "non chemical" wools available that aren't certified organic but use organic farming and production methods so if the wool was from that type of source (such as eco wool) then an organic certification wouldn't be as important but I would also would also want to know what type of fire barrier it uses.

The organic spring mattress from Holy lamb also has no weak links in the mattress and there would be no concerns about any of the materials in terms of any chemicals in the mattress.

Of course how each of the mattresses feel and perform in terms of PPP (either by themselves or with a topper) would be a significant part of their value to you outside of the materials themselves. I would also try as much as possible to test any mattress / topper combination you are considering in person so you don't have the uncertainty of trying to choose a topper without being able to try it in person or at least you would have experience with a very similar topper.

Phoenix
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Comparing four different innerspring mattresses 25 Nov 2013 22:38 #4

Great points!
Thanks dn~

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Comparing four different innerspring mattresses 25 Nov 2013 22:46 #5

@Phoenix:

Would Bedrooms And More reveal the specs of the polyfoam? What density would I be looking for? For longevity? For lowest toxicity risk?

Seattle Mattress called Therapedic to get me more information about quantities of wool & cotton in their Kai mattress. They also asked about the organic vs non. Laurie apparently told Tony that their (regular) cotton has very little pesticides. I'm wondering if she means that it's simply not certified? <but not actually sprayed> I guess I can inquire more thoroughly. Since organic raises the price by about 50%! So hard to predict adverse reactions in advance. As I learned from my prior latex mattress experience ~

thank you!

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Comparing four different innerspring mattresses 25 Nov 2013 23:53 #6

Hi buttercupbetty,

Would Bedrooms And More reveal the specs of the polyfoam?


I would think so. I wouldn't buy a mattress if I didn't know the density of the polyfoam inside it (density is the single biggest factor in the durability of a polyfoam and memory foam).

What density would I be looking for? For longevity?


For durability and longevity I would look for a minimum of 1.8 lb density in a one sided mattress and 1.5 lb density in a two sided mattress (if you flip and rotate it). Tufting will make the comfort layers more durable as well. Higher density than these minimums would be more durable yet.

For lowest toxicity risk?


Density has no relationship to toxicity. All polyfoam and memory foam is made primarily from petrochemicals so I would make sure the polyfoam was CertiPur certified for harmful substances and VOC's. For most people this would be "safe enough" but there are some people (particularly with multiple chemical sensitivities or MCS) who are more comfortable avoiding polyfoam and memory foam completely.

Laurie apparently told Tony that their (regular) cotton has very little pesticides. I'm wondering if she means that it's simply not certified? <but not actually sprayed> I guess I can inquire more thoroughly.


I would have no way to know this. In the case of cotton though it's among the most heavily sprayed crops on earth so if pesticide residues are a concern I would make sure it was organic.

Phoenix
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Comparing four different innerspring mattresses 26 Nov 2013 10:48 #7

HI Phoenix,

Thank you for simplifying the important points for me (again!). At this point, I am really impressed with this company:

www.theorganicmattressstore.com/wj-southard.html

They sell an (almost) identical bed to Soaring Heart and Holy Lamb Organics. The manufacturer is WJ Southard in Syracuse, NY. I'm guessing that you're familiar with them?

And I think you're right that ORGANIC might be worth it for us. It certainly seems like a high quality mattress. And it has a 25 year warranty. We will lay on this model next week.

AND....the company listed above is including a wool comforter (or puddle pad) and TWO wolly bolas pillows with every mattress purchase! That's about a $650 value :cheer:

Happy Holiday!

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Comparing four different innerspring mattresses 26 Nov 2013 12:54 #8

Hi buttercupbetty,

Thank you for simplifying the important points for me (again!). At this point, I am really impressed with this company:

www.theorganicmattressstore.com/wj-southard.html

They sell an (almost) identical bed to Soaring Heart and Holy Lamb Organics. The manufacturer is WJ Southard in Syracuse, NY. I'm guessing that you're familiar with them?


Yes ... WJ Southard is a good company that makes some very high quality mattresses using good construction methods and are completely transparent about the materials they use. You can see some of my thoughts about them in post #2 here .

The Soaring Heart mattresses are made by them as well and the Waverly and the Archetype (along with this mattress at Soaring Heart) appear to be quite similar (although not necessarily the same).

I would certainly consider any mattress that they make as a good quality option but I would keep in mind that the mattresses you are considering may be "similar but different" (I would talk to them to find out if they are the same) and there is always some risk involved in purchasing a mattress that you haven't tested in person (either by itself or with a specific mattress / topper combination). The Waverly is more costly than the Archetype at Holy Lamb (if you pick the mattress up at their showroom because shipping isn't included) but as you mentioned they are also including some extras which may make up for the possible additional risk of a long distance purchase for you.

All of these are certainly good quality options as long as you are confident that they would be a good match in terms of PPP.

Phoenix
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Comparing four different innerspring mattresses 26 Nov 2013 14:49 #9

@Phoenix:

The funny this is that The Waverly doesn't show up on WJ Southard's website ( www.wjsouthard.com ). Is that simply because "The Waverly" is The Organic Mattress Store's (OMS) name for The Archetype?

The Archetype at Holy Lamb is $1900 + tax. Additional charges to ship & I don't think it would fit in our van.
The Waverly is $1949, including tax & shipping & the puddle pad & the wolly bolas pillows. Plus, they give an additional 3% discount for paying by check ;) So it would actually be just under $1900 and about $150 less than Holy Lamb.

The specs for these two mattresses are slightly different. Holy Lamb lists 20# of organic cotton (Queen) and OMS lists 30# (also Queen). I'm wondering if The Waverly is an "exclusive" that WJ Southard makes for OMS. I guess I could just ask. I will email them.

My main concern is buying something that I haven't tried in person. Sigh. I'm not planning a trip to Syracuse anytime soon!

Sounds like you agree that there's some risk to trying a mattress at Soaring Heart or Holy Lamb that isn't exactly the same as the one from OMS. And then making a "blind" purchase online. And a NON-REFUNDABLE purchase, at that! :blink:

Is that your opinion?

Thank you for helping us narrow down our choices!!!

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Comparing four different innerspring mattresses 26 Nov 2013 15:11 #10

@buttercupbetty;

One thing I'd note is that with all the cutaway views you've shown of the recent mattresses, it's essentially a spring unit with wool on top (on bottom too). You might consider getting the most bare of bare spring units (organic ticking), and then using wool topper(s) to add the wool.

I'd ask Phoenix, but I believe an individual pocket coil system is a bit less firm if that's a goal. If that were true, you might find a good price on a basic but premium spring mattress and then add good wool topper(s) to it.

Having wool detached and in a topper instead of mattress makes it easier to maintain, since it does compress and shaking it out helps. Also, you don't need 2 sides of your mattress with the integrated wool cushioning (it certainly is more reliable when attached to the mattress...but as a topper you get more flexibility).

That said, as Phoenix has noted, you're better trying things in combination to ensure it achieves PPP for you. But, it still might be easier to test for PPP that way then looking online at mattresses you cannot try.

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