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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 25 Jan 2014 20:01 #1

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Hi all,

Has anyone experimented with duplicating a zoned mattress similar to the vendors in the title?

Obasan creates 3 equally sized zones (per sleeping position) in a middle layer with a solid layer above and below.
obasan.ca/products/acadia-3-0/

FloBeds creates a whopping 6 zones (per sleeping position) in a middle layer, with a solid layer below and solid convoluted layer above.
www.flobeds.com/products/6499EK

Green Sleep UK creates 3 equally sized zones (per sleeping position) in a middle layer with a solid solid above and below.
www.greensleep.com/Europe/Great-Brittain/EN/Popup/12.asp

...so, I have some materials to experiment with and building a new bed. My goal, if I had one, would be to learn how this kind of zoning feels, and see if I could use some duplicate or variation to allow my shoulders a bit more give.

The risk, of course, is cutting a bunch of latex into thirds and making a complicated situation / 'mess'. I wouldn't have enough material to experiment solely with the middle layer either which either would mean having zoning with 'seams' where 2 pieces are butted up together on the top layer, or having a more restrictive set of choices of latex (and in particular, less soft with which to zone with... The soft being what's more needed for the shoulders). In theory, worst case is I just keep each layer consistent with the 3 pieces that were originally cut... Though there's a risk I feel the seams still especially if the top layer has them).

I don't think the pieces, if cut into thirds, will move anywhere, due to mattress case.

Has anyone tried it? How'd it work out?

I'm generally a fan of simple designs and think they're almost always 'better', and there's a part of me saying such an idea is anything but simple and will just turn into a mess. On the other hand, it's not like it's *that* complicated either, and many other companies do it. It might provide some interesting tuning opportunities.

Update: in drawing it out, it also appears that each full piece of latex could be split into 2 pieces, instead of 3. One piece being 1/3, the other being 2/3. I wouldn't see a single layer which would need more than a 1/3 + 2/3 split.

Update2: I can try it without cutting anything, assuming I can fold a plate of latex in half. I love risk free experimenting!


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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 25 Jan 2014 21:28 #2

Hi dn,

It will be interesting to see the results of your zoning experiments :)

I don't think the pieces, if cut into thirds, will move anywhere, due to mattress case.


I don't think so either.

If "allowing" your shoulders are the biggest issue then the 1/3 - 2/3 zoning can work well. A good place for the zoning "cut" would be around the area of the bottom of the rib cage (about a couple of inches above the belly button) but make sure you allow for some space above your head in the mattress as well.

As fate would have it ... this post from today is from one of the members that had some good success with the flobeds vZone after first trying their non zoned mattress.

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 25 Jan 2014 22:37 #3

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Phoenix wrote: Hi dn,

It will be interesting to see the results of your zoning experiments :)

As fate would have it ... this post from today is from one of the members that had some good success with the flobeds vZone after first trying their non zoned mattress.

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No sooner did I post this thread, but I read that. I've been sleeping on a wonderful configuration for about 3 weeks. And just last night made a very subtle change (firm to medium on bottom layer, partly just cause I was curious to see the impact because i never did change the bottom layer, and partly to ease up pressure on shoulders.) I delightfully eliminated hip pain some time ago without sacrificing alignment or comfort, but now I suspect I'm tossing and turning a lot less so shoulders are a bit tender now. I'm not really making any big modifications right now, since it's still kind of like break in / let body adjust period still.

Plus, I have a whole second mattress I'm making. The materials for it all good too, so it can be a bit more experimental.

I'll give medium base a go for a while, and then as I said might (not for sure) try zoning without cutting by attempting to fold the latex in half (assuming it will do so and still fit in mattress case).

I'd probably endeavor to cut at exactly 1/3rd, but as you said measure first to see that cut would be at a suitable location. With other big vendors doing 1/3rd, I'm not sure how much I'd want to vary.

Time will tell :)

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 26 Jan 2014 10:21 #4

Hi dn,

I have tried zoning in the second layer with a thinner top layer. Same goal, keep the hips up and let the shoulders drop when side sleeping. The three zones in the models you linked IMO are not necessary. I don't think your feet are going to notice a difference in the second layer. Top layer yes, but not the middle. Two zones would probably feel the same.

I was able to find very comfortable combinations with lower layer zoning as far as alignment and pressure relief go. Unfortunately for me, I felt like I was too "in" the mattress. Not wallowing by any means, just not "on" the mattress as much as I preferred. Still more comfortable than any non zoned setup I ever tried.

If you can find the right combo, having the continuous top layer is nice. The zoning seams won't appear in the cover. I have a two zone middle layer and a three zone top layer at the moment, its working very nicely.

Good Luck, brotherloo

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 26 Jan 2014 13:06 #5

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Thanks brotherloo.

Did you personally cut your own latex, or have it professionally done?

Also, if you place 2 cut pieces that were originally from the same layer together, can you feel the seam at all (this is my 'contingency plan' - I.e. If it doesn't work out, I can place the layers back together with no consequences.

Appreciate your comments!

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 26 Jan 2014 13:31 #6

I've done it before. It's easy with an electric knife.

Here is a video .

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 26 Jan 2014 13:32 #7

dn wrote: Thanks brotherloo.

Also, if you place 2 cut pieces that were originally from the same layer together, can you feel the seam at all (this is my 'contingency plan' - I.e. If it doesn't work out, I can place the layers back together with no consequences.

Appreciate your comments!


I don't think you would feel it.

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 26 Jan 2014 15:00 #8

dn,

Yes, I did cut my own. They are 3" NR talalay. Like jankdc said, it is very easy with an electric knife. Especially if you cut along the pincore holes, they almost act as a guide.

You won't feel the seams. Sometimes my cover can get kinda pinched in the seam at my waist on the top layer. Can't notice it while sleeping, but when I get up I just slide my hand over it to smooth out the cover and its all good.

You CAN put the original pieces back together without feeling the seam. I had mine all cut up at one time, the only place they might move around is in the top layer. 1" soft layers on the top might migrate a little too, depends on your cover.

The one inch layers I cut with scissors.

I made a bunch of cuts while "researching." Once I had a better idea of what direction I wanted to pursue, I glued the cuts I didn't need in the 3" pieces back to their original form. I used E6000 latex glue. It's a pump spray, no odor, totally safe. I put it on a sponge and dabbed it liberally on the end of each cut. Pushed together. I let it dry overnight. Some cuts I couldn't even SEE when it was done. Dries soft just like the talalay.

You can get pretty "experimental" and still get back,

Good luck, brotherloo

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 26 Jan 2014 15:04 #9

Some upholstery shops have foam cutters big enough to cut a slab of latex too. If you call around, just make sure their saw is as wide as your piece of latex to get a smooth cut.

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 26 Jan 2014 21:09 #10

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Thanks everyone for the real life experience. I'll post back if I decide to give it a try.

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