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Bed Frame - Anyone have experience with the Knickerbocker Embrace"?

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14 May 2014 21:02 #1 by Doug
Had my new beds frame go kaput after a few days so I'm looking for a permanent solution .

I'm a big guy and want something really solid.

I came across the Knickerbocker "Embrace" and thought that the glides instead of wheeled casters had to be an improvement.

It's ridiculously expensive but I'd rather pay once, cry once.

Have any of you owned one of these frames? How solid was the overall construction?

youtu.be/PjGdse-9up8

I'd also be happy to hear any other suggestions for rugged, heavy duty frames.

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14 May 2014 22:46 #2 by Phoenix
Hi Doug,

I don't own one but I have talked with the manufacturer and various retailers about them and they are Knickerbocker's strongest bedframe (even stronger than the Knickerbocker Monster which would work for anyone) but it also carries a very high price that is more about its appearance and aesthetics and would be difficult to justify unless the appearance was important to you.

There is more about steel bedframes including several heavy duty versions that are in much lower price ranges in post #10 here .

Phoenix

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15 May 2014 07:31 - 15 May 2014 07:32 #3 by The Toddler
I currently have the monster and am likely to upgrade to the embrace when I shortly purchase my next bed.

The embrace has several features that that strongly appeal to me. It is absolutely flat on the top surface, with no exposed screws or bolts.

Some of the monster's crossbeams and screws are not entirely level with each other. It's only a difference of a fraction of an inch, but when my box spring is on top, there are spots on the center crossbeam where I can actually wedge the tip of my pinky between the frame and the bottom of my box spring. Additionally, there are two sets of screws in the middle of the head and foot end of the bed that are a pressure point that the box spring lays on. I have an encasement on my box spring, of the type used to protect against dust mites and bed bugs. The pressure of the box spring on these screws is such that the encasement wore through in those spots, creating tiny holes. (And it's a top of the line encasement.) There are also flat bolts on the side rails, but those don't create pressure, also they could contribute to snags if you weren't careful.

I have seen the embrace in person and it would not have these problems. There are no screws, and as I said, it is totally flat because of the way it assembles. It just pops together and then pops apart. The only thing negative about it, aside from its price, is that it can be tricky to get apart. But you won't be doing that unless you move. And I would say you would need two people to take it apart. When I saw it in the store, the sales rep pulled out one of the cross pieces from one end, it created a bit of torsion on that cross piece, and the connection of the middle leg seemed to flex a bit. The frame is metal, but the legs are not fully. However, this allows the bed to glide more easily for cleaning. On the monster, I actually once snagged my carpet on the locking mechanism for one of the wheels.

If you do get the embrace soon, please report back with comments. And Phoenix or others, if you know of any cheaper frames that assemble in this fashion, where everything is flat and there are no chance of snags or screw/bolt pressure points, I would love to know!
Last edit: 15 May 2014 07:32 by The Toddler.

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15 May 2014 13:33 #4 by Doug
Toddler, I certainly will. I need to locate a nearby retailer and check it out. Thanks so much for your reply (you too Phoenix!)

Hearing terms like "torsion" and "flex" concern me. I understand from an engineering standpoint that both have their place in such things but considering my situation I'm looking for maximum strength and durability. They advertise 2000 lbs, and we certainly don't need that, but there are lots of frames that make weight claims but then you read reviews where they tear up.

The worst part about so many frames isn't the angle iron or even the rivets and bolts. It seems that in most the weak link is the post/wheel assembly. I got under my bed this morning to figure out what was going on and two of the caster frames were bent, not just one. I pulled on one and it bent like it was made of a soft, flexible metal like you might find on a panel in metal filing cabinet. I was able to just bend it with one hand.

Why you would have angle iron (or rather steel, to be factual) for rails and then use such a poor metal for the posts is beyond me.

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15 May 2014 14:11 - 15 May 2014 14:15 #5 by The Toddler
Well, check it out and you will see what I mean. If you watch that video, you will see that the crossbeams go into the legs attached to the sides of the frame. The connection between the leg and the side frame is what flexed a bit. (Although my memory is fuzzy, as it was over a month ago.) I do not think it will be a problem when the weight of a mattress is put on it, or even when it's assembled just sitting there.

They had all their mattresses on them at my local Macy's, if that's a retailer you can visit.
Last edit: 15 May 2014 14:15 by The Toddler.

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15 May 2014 14:41 - 15 May 2014 14:42 #6 by Phoenix
Hi The Toddler,

And Phoenix or others, if you know of any cheaper frames that assemble in this fashion, where everything is flat and there are no chance of snags or screw/bolt pressure points, I would love to know!


I spent some time talking with a number of retailers or frame manufacturers about this and none of them considered this to be an issue with their frames (or the ones they sell) or something that they have had any negative feedback or concerns about so your concerns are somewhat outside of their experience.

Having said that ... I do understand what you mean and the Embrace wouldn't have these same issues because of its construction so because of that, its strength, and its appearance, it may be worth considering as an option in spite of its very high price. I don't know of any others others that would also have a similar perfectly flat load bearing surface with no "protusions" although I also haven't looked that closely at most of them either so there may be others that I don't know about.

Phoenix

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Last edit: 15 May 2014 14:42 by Phoenix.

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04 Jun 2014 07:50 - 04 Jun 2014 10:42 #7 by The Toddler
I bought the Embrace in a queen size and am satisfied with it so far after two weeks.

It actually has two less legs than the Monster (at the center of the head and foot crossbeams), but I think the strengthened steel makes up for that. I can't see it flexing at all.

Oddly enough, when I placed the crossbeams into the siderails the first time, they weren't entirely flush (level-wise) with the siderails, but it was just a fraction of an inch off and they've settled into place now. It's not even a big deal, since the wooden parts of my foundation don't really extend beyond the width of the siderails anyway. The Embrace's detachable crossbeams end before the flat part of the siderails begin.

Another plus for the Embrace is that there are multiple holes for screwing in the headboard, meaning you can exercise some preference in how high your headboard is.
Last edit: 04 Jun 2014 10:42 by The Toddler.

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04 Jun 2014 10:21 #8 by Phoenix
Hi The Toddler,

Thanks for the feedback on the Embrace bedframe. I think you are the first one on the forum to comment about it and I appreciate it :)

Phoenix

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07 Jun 2014 23:00 #9 by Doug
We replaced the metal frame that came with the bed with the Embrace frame. It's terrific and for us well worth the money.

It never moves, slides or makes a noise. It was simple to put together and our mover was so impressed he wrote down the name.

It is definitely "overbuilt" and seems like it will last much longer than any mattress set.

Very satisfied with this purchase.

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01 Jun 2017 11:01 #10 by The Toddler
Several online retailers who sell folding metal Simple Life foundations, such as Brooklyn Bedding and Dreamfoam Bedding , say "The center support needs to run vertically (head to foot) and can not be warrantied if the support runs horizontally (side by side)."

So that would prevent use with the Knickerbocker Embrace, which has a center support that runs side to side, right?

Would this be a concern with any of the wooden knock-down foundations that are much more common to online retailers?

(By the way, the Embrace is still going strong after three years. Very quiet and easy to move. It's caused a little bit of wear where it makes contact with the foundation encasement, but any other frame would have been much worse.)

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