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Brentwood Memory Foam 22 May 2014 17:20 #1

Hello, I have been searching and searching for months now for a new mattress. I have been reading and thinking over everything. The bed I have now is only a few years old but the springs are poking through it already. I'm pretty sure now that I want to move on to a nice memory foam mattress. However, I really need to spend as little as possible at this point. I was considering Ultimate Dreams Crazy Quilt PillowTop Mattress even though it isn't memory foam, but then I found Brentwood 13" Gel Infused HD Memory Foam Mattress and was very interested in that. It looks like a real good deal, but I did a forum search and a google search, and there isn't a whole lot of information about this brand or type of mattresses anywhere. So for now I was just wondering if anyone had any extra information about either mattress, or information about the brentwood brand.

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Brentwood Memory Foam 22 May 2014 19:04 #2

Hi KingSpore,

The first place I would start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choices ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

The most important part of a mattress purchase is your confidence in how well it matches your unique needs and preferences in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences).

Outside of PPP ... I would also make sure you have all the information mentioned in this article about any mattress you are considering because the quality/durability of the materials relative to the price you are paying is the next most important part of the "value" of a mattress purchase (you can see the quality/density guidelines here ).

Finally the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price and any return or exchange options) would also be an important part of the "value" of a mattress purchase.

I would also confirm that the manufacturer of your mattress is listed on the CertiPur list here* (some retailers use the CertiPur logo but aren't on the list). I believe that the Brentwood Well-Being mattresses are made by SilverRest which also isn't on the CertiPur list.
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I would also be uncomfortable dealing with a retailer or manufacturer where I didn't know who made the mattresses they are selling or the country of origin of their foam (regardless of where the mattress was made or assembled). You can see some comments about Asian imports in post #6 here .

In the case of Sleep Shop which sells the Brentwood Well-Being mattresses ... their contact email is @thecompletesleepshop.com and thecompleteslepshop.com forwards to www.meritmart.com

Merit Mart in turn is related to Silver Rest and BRK Group in Pico Rivera including BRK Imports which in turn imports (or at least was importing) from China .

All of this leads to more questions than answers and I would personally be a little cautious in dealing with them and at a very minimum I would make sure you know the specifics of every layer in the mattress and that you can confirm that they are CertiPur certified and that they are using the logo legitimately.

Dreamfoam is much easier because they are a member of this site, are CertiPur certified, are sourced and made in the US, are transparent about the materials in their mattress, and compete well with the best in the industry so I would have no hesitations about purchasing a mattress from them that was likely to be a good match for you in terms of PPP and that used the type and quality/density of materials that you are comfortable with in your budget range. They also make some lower budget memory foam mattresses if you are committed to or prefer memory foam.

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Brentwood Memory Foam 23 May 2014 16:38 #3

Thank you so much for the info! I will admit, I did read most of the info, probably quicker than I should have, but I will for sure go back and go over everything before I buy anything. I have been so tempted to just buy one because I am tired of springs poking me in bed! But I know it will be worth it to wait and make sure I get a good mattress.

I'm for sure not a fan of the suspicious manufacturer not being in the CertiPur list and the very strange name, brand, and website trail. I guess that's a no go on that mattress. I did some more looking and thinking, and I decided that I want a memory foam for under 300, ideally with some gel top layers and I would very much like to be able to find a similar mattress locally to try in store first. I may end up just going with the 10 inch dreamfoam, even without the gel. I did some searching on the forums and found some local mattress manufacturer locations, (I'm in the Syracuse/Rochester area) so I will be checking them out in the near future before I get anything for sure and to compare prices.

Oh and one thing I did want to ask, and I don't know if this can be answered without having a specific mattress in mind, but right now my bed is custom built, and it just has a flat sheet of plywood as the base. Would it be fine to put a memory foam mattress on that or should I purchase some type of special foundation or something else.

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Brentwood Memory Foam 23 May 2014 17:23 #4

Hi KingSpore,

I decided that I want a memory foam for under 300


I'm not sure what size you are looking at but I would be aware that realistically your budget is too low for a reasonable quality memory foam mattress.

I may end up just going with the 10 inch dreamfoam, even without the gel


If you mean this one ... it has 3" of 4 lb gel memory foam.

Oh and one thing I did want to ask, and I don't know if this can be answered without having a specific mattress in mind, but right now my bed is custom built, and it just has a flat sheet of plywood as the base. Would it be fine to put a memory foam mattress on that or should I purchase some type of special foundation or something else.


You can see my thoughts and comments on a solid surface support surface in post #10 here . It would be supportive enough but you could be increasing the risk of moisture retention in your mattress and the possibility of developing mold or mildew under your mattress.

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Brentwood Memory Foam 23 May 2014 22:41 #5

Well thankfully I only need a twin size. The mattress I had in mind was Dreamfoam 10 Inch , but I did look at the one you linked with the gel top, and I have been strongly considering that, even if it is a little over budget. I need to start linking and getting organized with all my mattress selections and considerations!

I've been browsing some more options online, and the only problem is I find more that I like and the price keeps going up and up, but of course if that goal isn't possible, I know in the long run the extra money paid will be worth it. I am fairly worried about mold or mildew growing, and that might be an issue depending on how much it costs to help prevent that.

Also, thanks again for all the help now and in the future! It really really helps to be able to write and bounce ideas and information off of someone, and it helps even more when that someone knows what they're talking about!

I still am planning on making the trip out to some local mattress stores to compare options and prices. I think I'm ready to start some work on step 3!

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Brentwood Memory Foam 24 May 2014 00:35 #6

Hi KingSpore,

The mattress I had in mind was Dreamfoam 10 Inch, but I did look at the one you linked with the gel top, and I have been strongly considering that, even if it is a little over budget. I need to start linking and getting organized with all my mattress selections and considerations!


The mattress you linked would be good value compared to other similar mattresses but I would want to know the density of the foam layers and it's likely that they would be in a lower density range than the guidelines I would suggest for a memory foam mattress (see post #4 here ). I would choose a mattress with memory foam that was 4 lbs or higher unless you have no other options or unless durability isn't as important a consideration.

Phoenix
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Brentwood Memory Foam 06 Jun 2014 15:52 #7

Okay, I've read more and went to a few stores and realized a few things. I first went to lay on mattresses and didn't really pay attention to names or anything, just to see what I liked best. I ended up liking basically all of the memory foam beds, but I strongly prefer the softer feeling ones. Of course, I ended up liking the most expensive tempurpedic one there the best, but it turns out that it was the cloud luxe, which is supposed to feel like the dreamfoam 13 inch ultimate dreams . So based on that, and of course the recommendations, research, and advice here, I think that is the mattress I'm going to go with. Is it a mistake to compare it like that? I'm pretty sure that even if it doesn't feel exactly the same I will be happy as long as it is fairly soft.

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Brentwood Memory Foam 06 Jun 2014 16:23 #8

Hi KingSpore,

Is it a mistake to compare it like that?


That's certainly the first step involved in comparing an online mattress to one you have tested in person. The first part of comparing mattresses is PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) which is about what you feel on a mattress. The rest of the comparison would be based on the quality of the materials. If you are confident that the Tempurpedic Cloud is a good "match" for you in terms of PPP then it certainly makes sense to compare online mattresses that are similar in terms of PPP and the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you. There is more about "matching" one mattress to another in post #9 here that you can also use as a reference.

Most of the feedback about the Dreamfoam 13" memory foam mattress indicates that it has a very similar "feel" to the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe except perhaps just a little bit firmer although of course different people may have different thoughts and opinions about how two mattresses compare.

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Brentwood Memory Foam 08 Aug 2014 20:28 #9

Hey Phoenix. I going to dig this up because I recently purchased a king size model of the very same 13" Brentwood Gel Foam the OP was asking about, and ultimately, after being a bit disappointed with the overall construction and comfort level, spent the past few hours (before ironically running across this thread) following the very same whois trail you obviously did, and also came back with pretty much all of the same information (and screenshots of it) that you did in regards to their importing practices. That said, here are my primary concerns...

1) They are advertising that this particular line of Brentwood mattresses are "Made In The USA", which, given their importing practices, if they are indeed not "all of virtually all" made of US-sourced foam, this stands to be a decent FTC violation. I did, however, see a horizontal and vertical foam cutting machine on one of those bills of lading, so that throws another variable into the mix.

2) None of the companies you noted (SleepShop, BRK Group, or SilverRest) are on that CertiPUR-US list, which coincidentally, would make perfect sense if they are indeed importing their foam. Additionally, if that's the case... more false advertising practices.

3) While I'm usually a research fanatic (to a fault at times), I pulled the trigger based on price and overall Amazon reviews and price (which was $479 OTD at the time I bought it). I also, however, do not like being misled or lied to, and with the circumstantial evidence I've now seen regarding their potential manufacturing processes, I'm wondering if that's not the case. If so, God help them. ;)

Anyway - any additional insight you might have or be able to provide would be appreciated, and feel free to read my detailed (and lengthy) review on the 13" model on Amazon, under the same alias as my user name here. Thanks in advance!

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Brentwood Memory Foam 08 Aug 2014 22:22 #10

Hi dzignr_tastz, i took a look again through registered trademarks and some things have changed. BRK Group used to be the owner of SilveRest but is no longer. Apparently they let the trademark expire and SilverRest Sleep Innovations is the owner of the Brentwood brand. Not knowing the details, maybe the company consolidated, maybe they split partnership from BRK Group etc. I'm not sure of the details of 'made in the usa' qualifications, but seems like many materials can be imported with very little final fitting done here in the usa and qualify as 'made in the usa'. For all I know, that could mean they import the foam, cut it to size here and wrap a mattress ticking around it here. Not being on the certipur-us list doesn't instantly mean they're imported, there's many certipur-us foams that come from overseas. They could be using a certipur certified supplier for the foam, if the company is going through changes (such as breaking away or dissolving the BRK Group ownership of SilverRest). I would think if a company for instance decided to use FoamByMail (much as they're disliked, they're certified), construct a mattress and it would be certipur-us certified. (Unless the details stipulate it has to be certified as a complete mattress assembly and individual foams used in construction doesn't count).

Things like mattresses and foams are big business and a quick look around a place like alibaba (where items can be imported by the hundreds if you're in a position to import and order in large quantity) - you'll see a LOT of familiar looking products. From velour zippered covers all over ebay/amazon to more popular 4 way stretch knit zip covers, typically selling for $60+ and come to find out they're $12 a piece with a min order of 200-2000 pieces. Of course there's also shipping fees, duties etc I'm sure.

I'm wondering if they never were on the certipur-us listings, or if they've been dropped due to branding change and are resubmitting. It wasn't that long ago, maybe a few months when I was doing research that the SilverRest brand was an active trademark belonging to BRK Group and now no longer does.

Another quirk I noticed when searching, maybe they've since combined but there seems to be a 'certipur-us' and a 'certipur' (european) label. When attempting to go to one of the certipur websites, it was broken. Certipur-us works and europur works, but not plain certipur (without the -us). In some places I noticed the Amazon ad said "certipur", in other places it said "certipur-us" so who knows. Amazon ads aren't known to be the most accurate, subject to mistakes and typos. Maybe the seller wasn't even sure (sad, but it happens) which one it was.

Unfortunately a lot of advertising is hype and spinning things. That Brentwood mattress also says it uses natural bamboo for the cover. Bamboo has become a huge rage in mattress and topper covers, and I'm sure some of it may be from natural bamboo. A lot of it is rayon made from bamboo fibers and there have been mentions of companies like amazon, sears, kmart, macy's etc paying fines for selling mislabeled products. Passing off rayon as 'bamboo', since apparently the rayon process is such an intensive one (and not very 'green') that little to no benefit exists from the bamboo any longer in rayon form. Maybe mattress tickings are part of the exception, but the national resources defense council states natural bamboo linen is 'green' but it's seldom seen due to its' labor and cost. If this applies to mattress ticking, then it would be hard to imagine a budget mattress using materials that are costly and labor intensive.

Everything has become confusing with word play - 100% latex, 100% natural latex, natural latex, organic, natural, certified organic, manufactured in the u.s. vs made in the u.s., you name it. Used to be everything meant what it said, it was either organic or it wasn't. If it was made in the u.s., it either was or it wasn't. Not so much now days.

Hopefully Phoenix can clear up any issues with my generalizations if I made errors, it's so deep it could be a career all of its' own. I'm by no means a trademark expert or expert on corporations, licensing, certifications or anything else. Just a casual lay person trying to make sense of it without falling all the way down the rabbit hole. I didn't bring a long enough rope :P

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