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03 Jun 2014 19:21 - 09 Jun 2014 18:26 #1 by Jewels
I've tried Serta, Simmons Beautyrest recharge, Sleep Number, Kathy Ireland for Therapedic, and Sealy Hybrid and have disliked all of them. The Serta was uncomfortable. The Simmons was very comfortable, but tanked within 90 days. The Sleep Number is simply painful, despite adding various toppers. The Kathy Ireland was just plain painful and squeaky. I don't know what to do. I had a Therapedic double sided mattress purchased in 2002 that I just loved (but thought it was time to replace). When I went to my local mattress store, I found that Therapedic had changed for the worse (at least to me). Nonetheless, I'm considering another Therapedic double sided mattress. I would love to get it from Matt-to-go, but it's very far away (I live in zip code 49002~ Kalamazoo, Michigan) I've found Discount Mattress in Grand Rapids, Michigan and they carry the double sided Therapedic. I'm not sure if I should venture in again with Therapedic. I'm also concerned that the Therapedic in Grand Rapids may not be the same quality I viewed on the Matt-to-go website. I have fibromyalgia which makes it extra difficult. I would appreciate any advice you have. I haven't had a good nights sleep in over one year! Thank you.
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03 Jun 2014 19:52 - 03 Jun 2014 19:52 #2 by Phoenix
Hi Jewels,

I would appreciate any advice you have. I haven't had a good nights sleep in over one year!


The first place to start is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the most suitable and best quality choices ... and more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones (which would include all the mattresses you mentioned with the possible exception of some of the Therapedic mattresses).

I'm not sure if I should venture in again with Therapedic. I'm also concerned that the Therapedic in Grand Rapids may not be the same quality I saw on the Matt-to-go website


As long as you find out the quality of all the materials in any mattress you are considering (see this article ) then you won't have to guess about the quality or durability of the mattress. If this information isn't available to you for any mattress you are considering then I would pass the mattress by.

I live in zip code 49002~ Kalamazoo, Michigan


Once you are at step 3 in the tutorial ... the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the Kalamazoo / Portage area are listed in post #2 here . There is also a list in post #2 here for the St Joseph area and in post #4 here for the South Bend / Ft Wayne area but you have some good options that are closer to you than these.

Phoenix

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04 Jun 2014 08:06 - 04 Jun 2014 08:15 #3 by Jewels
Thank you for all of the information you've provided me so quickly. I have read the tutorial and will do further research here on your site. The tutorial has been very helpful. I've been to Buis Mattress and was very impressed with the owner, Marc. However, my concern is that the mattress that fit my alignment the best has only two inches of comfort material consisting of of cotton, polyfoam, and polyester. I'm not sure that will work with fibromyalgia. I also went to Jonathan Stevens and looked at their mattresses. However, all of their innersprings are a continous coil and I've found those to be painful. Also, the mattresses feel warm/hot, do you know why many innersprings are sleeping hot? Additionally, I've read that the top three worst mattress brands are: Restonic, Englander, and Spring Air and wonder if you agree or disagree? I've been avoiding those brands due to the article I read listing them as the worst. Perhaps, I should reconsider. Thank you so much and please let me know if you have any additional information and/or comments.
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04 Jun 2014 10:34 - 04 Jun 2014 10:37 #4 by Phoenix
Hi Jewels,

my concern is that the mattress that fit my alignment the best has only two inches of comfort material consisting of of cotton, polyfoam, and polyester. I'm not sure that will work with fibromyalgia.


Your careful and objective testing (using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post) along with some guidance from a knowledgeable and experienced "guide" (such as Marc) is the best way to assess whether a mattress is suitable for you in terms of PPP. I would also keep in mind you can always soften or change the "feel" of a mattress that is a little too firm with a topper or mattress pad but it's much more difficult to make a mattress that is too soft any firmer because this would normally involve removing and replacing the foam layers that were too soft. As you probably know ... I think very highly of Marc and Buis Mattress and their quality, value, and service.

Also, the mattresses feel warm/hot, do you know why many innersprings are sleeping hot?


It wouldn't be the innersprings that are sleeping hot (innersprings are very breathable) but the foam layers, materials, and fabrics that are on top of the innerspring that are closer to your body. There is more about the factors that can affect sleeping temperature in post #2 here .

However, all of their innersprings are a continous coil and I've found those to be painful.


What you "feel" when you lie down on a mattress initially is generally more about the comfort layers than the support layers of a mattress so it's possible that the comfort layers of the continuous coil mattresses you tested aren't "right" for you.

Additionally, I've read that the top three worst mattress brands are: Restonic, Englander, and Spring Air and wonder if you agree or disagree?


I certainly don't agree with this. The name of the manufacturer on a label means very little because outside of how well a mattress matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of PPP ... a mattress is only as good as it's construction and the quality/durability of the materials inside it and all manufacturers make better and worse quality mattresses that use better and worse quality materials. For me ... the transparency of a manufacturer (or a retailer) and your ability to find out the specifics of what is inside a mattress you are considering is much more important than their name. This article includes a little more about the top 15 manufacturers in the industry and the "odds" that you will be able to find out what is inside their mattresses which is much more important than their name. With licensee brands such as the ones you are mentioning then the transparency of the factory that makes the mattresses in your region and their willingness to provide specs to their retailers would be even more important than the brand name as well since each of them may make different mattresses in different areas of the country even though they have the same brand label.

Phoenix

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04 Jun 2014 12:04 - 09 Jun 2014 18:30 #5 by Jewels
Do you have an opinion regarding Therapedic mattresses? The two I tried had continuous coils and both were painful. However, you mentioned that it may be the comfort materials used rather than the coil system causing the discomfort. This makes me wonder if it would be a mistake to buy the double sided Therapedic as they use the same comfort materials. I'm just trying to find a mattress that is similiar to the double sided Therapedic I purchased back in 2002-2003.
I was very impressed with Marc at Buis Mattress and may contact him again to discuss adding comfort materials to the mattress he fit to me.
Anyway, I would really appreciate your opinion of the Therapedic Innergy 2 Augusta Plush Pillowtop Two-Sided shown in detail at www.matt-to-go.com !
Thank you so much.
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04 Jun 2014 12:23 - 04 Jun 2014 12:24 #6 by Phoenix
Hi Jewels,

Do you have an opinion regarding Therapedic mattresses?


It would depend on the specifics of the mattress. If you can provide the information about any of their mattresses you are considering that is listed in this article I'd be happy to make some comments about the quality of the materials. Without this information I wouldn't have enough information to make any meaningful comments about any mattress regardless of the name of the manufacturer.

Anyway, I would really appreciate your opinion of the Therapedic Innergy 2 Augusta Plush Pillowtop Two-Sided shown in detail at www.matt-to-go.com !


If you can find out the density of the layers from Jeff I'd certainly be happy to make some comments about the quality of the materials. Once you have this information you could also compare them to the guidelines here . Jeff is also an expert (and one of the members here) and is very knowledgeable about his and other mattresses and will also give you good information about the materials in all his mattresses.

Phoenix

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04 Jun 2014 13:15 #7 by Jewels
Thank you for your time and all the information you've provided. I'll check with Jeff. I've spoken to him a few times and he has an incredible knowledge base regarding mattresses. I certainly recommend Jeff and his store, just based on how helpful he's been on the phone. Additionally, his website provides a detailed analysis of each mattress, which is a rare find. I may just end up making the drive to his store, instead of looking for something closer.
Thank you so much!

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09 Jun 2014 14:38 #8 by Jewels
I went to Jonathan Stevens today and would love to get your opinion. The mattress I looked at is a continuous coil, 14.5 gauge, 644 coil count for full mattress. It has a steel encased perimeter system. The insulator is a full coverage flexible net with 2oz textile fiber pad. It has Visco lumbar support at a 3.0 density. Also it has 1 inch ultra plush, 2.4 density poly foam then and inner panel to attach the pillow top. Next, are two inches of luxury soft natural rubber latex at 4.0 density. Then, two inches of plush poly foam at 1.5 density. Does this sound like a quality made mattress?
Thank you,
Jewels

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09 Jun 2014 15:00 - 09 Jun 2014 15:40 #9 by Phoenix
Hi Jewels,

Just to rearrange your specs a bit and fill in a few of the gaps ... from top to bottom ...

2" of soft 1.5 lb polyfoam: This is "on the edge" in terms of the thickness (see the guidelines I use here ) and it would also help to know if this is in the pillowtop itself or if this is quilted to the top panel (quilting would make it a little more durable).
2" of latex: While this would be a good quality material ... I would want to know the type and blend of the latex for reference.
1" 2.4 lb density polyfoam: This is a good quality material.
3 lb visco lumbar support: This is a lower density memory foam "belly band" but it's deeper in the mattress and is there for lumbar support so it should be fine.
Insulator with full coverage flexible net with 2oz textile fiber pad: This is to even out the support of the springs and prevent the foam from sinking in to the coils. This should also be fine.
14.5 gauge, 644 coil count continuous coil with steel edge support: Continuous coils are fairly inexpensive coils but can be very supportive because of how they are interconnected and since the weak link of a mattress is rarely in the support system it should be fine as well.

The thickness of the continuous coil is missing so I can't add up the thickness of all the layers to make sure that it matches the height of the mattress (which also isn't mentioned) and confirm that all the layers and components have been listed.

So I would want to know that this was all the layers in the mattress and that there isn't any additional layers (such as any quilting foam) which aren't mentioned along with wanting to know the type and blend of the latex.

If this is all of the layers then there is a little more lower density polyfoam than I would be completely comfortable with and this could become a weak link in the mattress so it's "on the edge" but it's also "not too bad".

Phoenix

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09 Jun 2014 17:20 - 09 Jun 2014 18:38 #10 by Jewels
I called Jonathan Stevens and received some additional information. The mattress is 13.5 inches high. The height of the coils is unknown. Here's how they break it down:

Base: Perdurable base foam, 1.5 density~2oz textile fiber pad.
Unit: Comfortflex continuous coil that Jonathan Stevens makes (not Legget and Platt).
Coil Gauge: 14.5
Coil Count: 644 (full).
Border Gauge: 6 Ga.
Edge Support: Comfortguard 360 steel encased perimeter system.
Insulators: Full coverage flexible net
2oz textile fiber pad
VLS: Visco Lumbar Support, 3.0 density.
Comfort Layers: 1 inch ultra plush, 2.4 density poly foam.
Inner panel (used to attach pillow top).
2 inches luxury soft natural rubber latex, 4.0 density.
Quilt Package: 2 inches of 1.5 density foam.
FR loft, barrier fiber.
Cover: Sculpted luxury knit (100% polyester) with coordinating border (100% polyester).

Regarding the latex, it's Talalay and it's four pounds. I hope I've provided everything you need to take a close look at the mattress I'm considering. Again, thank you so much for all of the information you've provided and your willingness to help. :)
Jewels
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