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01 Sep 2019 15:27 #161 by Sensei
Hey Jewels,

That is too bad regarding the Nolah. Just a couple of other quick comments.

Casper Mattress telling you its a ....."secret" that is just priceless. I know they have also changed their original mattress, as it no longer has the top 1" of latex in it. This has been confirmed to me a number of times. Casper now acts like Simmons/Sealy/Serta/Tempur do, less transparency...they know better.

Regarding the Capitol Mattress. Which of the layers are part of the "quilt" and which layers are just comfort layers? Regardless of the specific answers, one should be cautious of this mattress as the durability of the comfort layers will be a problem which we discuss in our durability guidelines...how long a mattress will last article.

Thanks
Sensei

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02 Sep 2019 08:25 - 06 Sep 2019 12:47 #162 by Jewels
:( Hello!

I couldn't believe it when the Casper representative told me the density of the foams was a "secret." I get that response, as you mentioned, from Sealy, Serta and so on.

Here are the specs for the Capitol Bedding Mattress:

Quilting:
1 inch of high density foam. The actual density is not given.
1 inch of 1.8 lb polyurethane foam.

Pillowtop:
3/8 of 1.8 lb poly foam.
Quilted Versare inner layer.

Comfort Layer:
1.5 inches of 1.8 poly foam.
1 inch of 2.5 poly foam.

Support:
Hickory's InnerAct LFK Coil.
14.5 gauge.
1.5 inches of high density foam. Density not given.

Edge Support:
V Clips attached to border rod.

This sounds decent. I have issues with most chemicals that mattresses now contain. However, I don't sleep well on latex so that's not an option.

Finally, I found out that Serta purchased Tuft & Needle. Do you know if Brooklyn Bedding makes the Tuft & Needle mattress?

Thank you,
Jewels
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08 Sep 2019 06:45 #163 by Sensei
Hey Jewels,

Thanks for the spec information on the Capitol. Noted on the latex not working. You saw my notes on the comfort layers breaking down. The Hickory coil units are good quality, big company, but coil products are high quality.

Another fabricator, IBS (Innovative Bedding Solutions), in Buena Vista, CA makes the majority of the Tuft and Needle mattresses, I think they ship them all to Amazon Fulfillment centers. T&N may have a secondary source also, but the majority are made by IBS.

Thanks,
Sensei

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08 Sep 2019 08:41 - 08 Sep 2019 08:52 #164 by Jewels
Thank you for your response.

To clarify: You believe the Capitol Bedding mattress may not hold up due to the 1.8 lb polyurethane foam in top layer of mattress. If so, why do so many bed in a box mattresses use 1.8 lb polyurethane as a base for their mattresses? Do you find that 1.8 lb polyurethane foam doesn't hold up over time. Can you tell me what company makes the Capitol Bedding Hickory Coil units?

Lots of questions, as usual!!

Thanks for the information regarding who makes the Tuft & Needle.

Thanks,

Jewels
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12 Sep 2019 16:39 - 12 Sep 2019 16:39 #165 by Sensei
Hi Jewels,

Thanks for the message. Using 1.8lb poly foam as a support core goes through a different process of wear and tear, but the comfort layers closest to the body receive the most pressure and breakdown.

The Capitol Mattress is most likely a good mattress and it may last a long time for you, and what you need. I am just cautious with using practically 6inches of polyfoam in the comfort layers (and quilt)

Quilting:
1 inch of high density foam. The actual density is not given.
1 inch of 1.8 lb polyurethane foam.
Pillowtop:
3/8 of 1.8 lb poly foam.
Quilted Versare inner layer.
Comfort Layer:
1.5 inches of 1.8 poly foam.
1 inch of 2.5 poly foam.


I think this foundational article about polyfoam comfort layers better explains what I am cautious about.

The springs are made at Hickory Springs , a division of HSM Solutions . They are a huge company, very good reputation, high-quality springs.

Thanks,
Sensei

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16 Sep 2019 15:01 - 16 Sep 2019 15:02 #166 by Jewels
Thank you!

I will admit that I just got a Sleep to Live and love it. It's the most comfortable mattress I have ever slept on. Unfortunately, around day 30 it really started to sink. When I wake up, I'm sunk way in and the other side is up, so if I try to move over I'm on a slant. I really want to keep it, but I'm concerned that eventually sink will stay. I wish I knew the density of the foam they use. I will likely have to return it and I don't want to. I just can't justify the price, if it breaks down quickly. Have you heard anything regarding the Sleep To Live mattresses? Oh, also it doesn't irritate my chemical sensitivities and that was a great and happy shock. Please let me know what you know about the Sleep to Live mattress from Art Van. Thank you!!
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16 Sep 2019 15:58 - 16 Sep 2019 15:59 #167 by Sweet Dreams
The Sleep to Live mattresses sold by Art Van are made by Kingsdown, possibly with some custom modifications to differentiate them from other Kingsdown dealers. Kingsdown is known for making some very plush and comfortable mattresses, but unfortunately they are less than transparent regarding specific details on their construction. If you search for owner reviews on their mattresses there are numerous complaints like yours about their lack of durability ending up with severe depressions and sagging which is rarely covered under warranty. Most often the sagging and soft spots are only when a person is on the mattress and for warranty claims the measured depression is only considered with no weight on the mattress. If you're experiencing such sinking issues in only 30 days they will only get worse in time so I'd suggest returning it while you're within the window and selecting another more durable mattress. Better to catch these issues early on while you still have an option for exchange than later when you'd be stuck with it!
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19 Sep 2019 13:43 #168 by Jewels
Hello Sweet Dreams,

I would love to know the density of the foams used in the Sleep To Live mattresses. Based on my experience, I'm think the polyurethane foam is likely 1.2 lb in density. I think that's why it feels so soft and comfortable for about 30 days and then begins to fail. I've already begun the return process. It's really disappointing. This company, if they were willing to use high quality foam, could have one of the best mattresses out there. I guess money vs customer satisfaction is always going to be the most important factor.

I've watched as the Mattress Firm declared bankruptcy. I wasn't surprised. I think other mattress stores may face the same fate. It's time for mattress stores to insist that the mattresses they sell be required to carry 1.8 lb or higher polyurethane foam and 4 lb or higher memory foam. One can dream.....

Thank you,

Jewels

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19 Sep 2019 14:56 - 19 Sep 2019 14:57 #169 by Sweet Dreams
I'm just glad that you had it fail within your return window, they often don't start to sink until later on and then you're out of luck and $$$. May I ask what mattress you're getting instead? Hope it all works out well for you in the end and that you'll get many nights of comfortable sleep! - Bill
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19 Sep 2019 17:46 #170 by Ari
Hi Jewels - if you can tolerate the smell, the Nectar is worth a try, it does smell for a few days though. I have sensitivities to chemical smells but I did ok with it and it was gone in a week. Good base foam 2.2 lbs and the comfort layers are better then most of the other bed in a box. They list their densities on their site. It’s medium firm but loosens up a small bit.

Also if you can try one of the older Tempurpdic models. The rhapsody luxe maybe, not too firm but not too plush. The next firmer model would be the contour elite. These are likely on close out and may not be returnable.

I wouldn’t be able to recommend their new models. The base foam density is pitiful and who knows that the rest of it is.

We got a nectar and a Tempurpdic contour elite. I am happy with both! And I was the princess and the pea like you :) I spent a few years trying to find something that didn’t sag at my hips or swallow me whole lol

Just sharing my experience:)

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