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I've tried every mattress out there...help!

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12 Jul 2014 15:08 - 12 Jul 2014 15:09 #21 by Phoenix
Hi Jewels,

Top: Polyester and Rayon
1.8" of 1.2 pound polyurethane foam.
.5" of 1.3 pound gel foam.
1.8" of 1.2 pound polyurethane foam.
Marshall Coil
.9375" of 1.0 pound polyurethane foam.

From everything I've read on this site, my understand is that the density of the foams in this mattress are not high enough to create a mattress that will last more than a year or so. I look forward to your break down of this mattress and your opinion overall.


As you can see in the guidelines here ... I would agree with you that if these specs are accurate that they are all low quality/density materials (except for the marshall coil) and this mattress would be a very risky choice with significant weak links in the design. I certainly wouldn't consider it except perhaps as a guest mattress for occasional or temporary use in a very low budget range and even then you could probably find much better quality/value choices.

Phoenix

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13 Jul 2014 07:47 #22 by Jewels
I received the specs directly from the manufacturer, after Restonic Inc. gave me their contact information. I do believe the specs are accurate. I would like to say that the woman I contacted at Restonic Inc. was very nice, professional, and helpful. It's unfortunate that various mattress companies are putting such poor quality foams in their mattresses. Some of the mattresses I've tried would've been great had the foam been of high quality. Instead, the mattresses collapsed (sink hole) within thirty to ninety days. Well, I guess it's back to the drawing board for me. Thank you for your help. If this site didn't exist, I would have been stuck with another low quality mattress at a very high price point (over $1000.00). I'll keep you posted on what I find.
Thank you!!! :)

Jewels

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13 Jul 2014 12:23 #23 by Phoenix
Hi Jewels,

I'm glad you had the foresight to check on the quality of the foams in the mattress because it would have been what I consider to be a very high risk choice ... especially in the budget range you are looking at.

I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding ... and of course any other comments or questions you may have along the way.

Phoenix

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21 Jul 2014 12:05 #24 by Jewels
Hello!

I'm now considering a Pure Latex Bliss Vitality 3.0 Hybrid. This, as I'm sure you know, is a latex mattress. Here are the specs::

2'" Natural, ultra-plush talalay latex, ActiveFUSION climate with climate control phase change technology.
2" Natural, medium talalay latex.
7" Bonded foam/latex firm support core.

I was unable to get the weight of the latex or the latex/polyurethane support core. I'm concerned that I may sink too far into this mattress during the night, as it's rather plush. I weigh between 140 and 150 lbs. I would really love your opinion regarding this mattress. If you have an opinion regarding whether or not I should go firmer (based on my weight or other factors), please let me know. Thank you again for everything. I can't wait to read your analysis.

Jewels

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21 Jul 2014 12:32 - 21 Jul 2014 12:33 #25 by Phoenix
Hi Jewels,

The PLB Vitality Hybrid has the following specs ...

2" Talalay GL fast response 15 ILD
2" Blended Talalay 24 ILD
7" Bonded polyfoam/latex support core (see post #6 here ).

The density of Talalay latex isn't important to know since density is a "comfort spec" with latex ... not a "quality spec".

All of these are high quality materials and there would be no weak link in the mattress in terms of durability. Although the firmness/softness of the materials would also be a factor in durability and softer foams will be less durable than firmer foams ... you are not in a weight range where this should be an issue. There is more about the variables that can affect durability and the useful life of a mattress in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

There are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for someone else to be able to predict whether any mattress would be a good match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) by using a formula, specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" (see post #2 here ). Your own careful and objective testing using the testing guidelines would be the most reliable way to know whether any mattress is a good match for you because only you can feel what you feel on a mattress.

Phoenix

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21 Jul 2014 16:54 #26 by Jewels
Hi Phoenix,

Thank you for the information regarding the PLB Vitality Hybrid. I'm constantly amazed by the level of knowledge you provide. I'm going to test the mattress out tomorrow for Posture, Pressure relief and Personal preference. I was able to test the PLB Balance which felt too firm for me. I also tested the PLB Celebrate which felt wonderful, but I didn't remain aligned on it. Hopefully, the Vitality will be the right fit. I will keep you posted as to what I find and how everything turns out.

Thank you,

Jewels

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22 Jul 2014 17:00 #27 by Jewels
Back again! I tried the PLB Vitality mattress today, but I found that it was firmer than I thought it would be. My shoulders didn't sink in and it felt rather hard. I then tried the PLB Beautiful which had a more plush feel. My hips sank in a bit more than my shoulders. I'm concerned that my shoulders aren't getting the sink they need. Interesting note: I had read complaints that some of the PLB mattresses squeak and this one did. The salesman noted that it wasn't the box springs, rather it really was the mattress making the squeaking noise. I wondered if that could be because the latex layers are glued together.....don't know. I am posting the specs ( I don't know the ILD:

3" Natural, medium-plush talalay latex (with the ActiveFusion).
3" Natural, medium talalay latex.
6" Natural, firm talalay latex support core.

I'm concerned that this may not be plush enough for my shoulders and head. Also, concerned that my mid-section will sink much lower during the night, causing an alignment issue. I would appreciate your opinion on this mattress. I'm trying to be very careful as I can't return this mattress and it's above my price point. I do have fibromyalgia, so a comfortable mattress is crucial. Again, thank you so much.

Jewels

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22 Jul 2014 17:48 - 22 Jul 2014 17:54 #28 by Phoenix
Hi Jewels,

I had read complaints that some of the PLB mattresses squeak and this one did. The salesman noted that it wasn't the box springs, rather it really was the mattress making the squeaking noise. I wondered if that could be because the latex layers are glued together


That's not a "story" that I've heard before but I certainly wouldn't "buy" it :). Latex doesn't make "noise".

I am posting the specs ( I don't know the ILD:

3" Natural, medium-plush talalay latex (with the ActiveFusion).
3" Natural, medium talalay latex.
6" Natural, firm talalay latex support core.


You can see the specs (including the ILD's) of the Beautiful in post #2 here .

I'm concerned that this may not be plush enough for my shoulders and head. Also, concerned that my mid-section will sink much lower during the night, causing an alignment issue. I would appreciate your opinion on this mattress. I'm trying to be very careful as I can't return this mattress and it's above my price point. I do have fibromyalgia, so a comfortable mattress is crucial. Again, thank you so much.


I can't feel what you feel or see you on the mattress so you would need to trust your own careful and objective testing and "best judgement" which will tell you much more about whether a mattress is a good match for you than any comments I could make.

If you've done some careful testing and still aren't confident that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP then the return or exchange policy would also become a more important part of your personal value equation just in case your actual sleeping experience indicates that the mattress wasn't as good a match for you as you hoped for so you would still have the option to return or exchange it.

In terms of quality and durability ... there are certainly no weak links in a mattress that uses blended Talalay in all the layers.

Phoenix

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23 Jul 2014 07:06 #29 by Jewels
Hello!

Unfortunately, the store only allows for an exchange and I didn't find any other mattresses there that I was impressed with. I will talk to the owner to see if he would consider a refund, but it seems doubtful.
Overall, I'm impressed with the mattress and the materials used in it. My concern, that you may be able to address, is: given the ILD of the latex and my weight (140-150) would I be likely to sink significantly in the hip area during the night? I will keep you posted.

Thank you,

Jewels

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23 Jul 2014 10:40 #30 by Phoenix
Hi Jewels,

Overall, I'm impressed with the mattress and the materials used in it. My concern, that you may be able to address, is: given the ILD of the latex and my weight (140-150) would I be likely to sink significantly in the hip area during the night? I will keep you posted.


I can't feel what you feel or see you on the mattress so these are questions I can't answer and your own careful and objective testing will be a much more reliable way to answer this than any suggestions I can make (see post #2 here ).

The layering of the Beautiful is fairly soft and for heavier people this can sometimes be risky (depending on their weight distribution and sleeping positions) but for lighter weights the risk is much less and there are many people in your weight range that are very happy with the Beautiful.

Again though ... your own careful and objective testing is the most reliable way to know because there are too many variables, unknowns, and personal preferences and sensitivities involved to use a formula based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" to assess whether any mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP.

Phoenix

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