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05 Sep 2014 15:44 - 30 Jul 2015 15:04 #31 by NeedaNuBed
Hi Phoenix,

First thank you for this amazing resource. I didn't realize how many good alternative sources for mattresses (and mattress alternatives) there are.

After absorbing as much Mattress Underground info as I could, I went, as suggested, and tried lots of different configurations to figure out what I like. Came to the conclusion fairly quickly that I prefer latex (specifically Dunlop; found the various Talalay I tried too jiggly, like sleeping on Jello), with a soft comfort layer. I'm both a side and back sleeper, 5' 10", 170lbs with relatively broad shoulders. Found a number of mattresses comfortable on my back or side but not both.

I went over your Toronto list and after doing some additional searching ended up visiting quite a few locations including Dormio Organic Beds, Ideal, Foamite, Soma Organic, Essentia, Nine Clouds, and National Mattress OUtlet plus my initial trips before finding your site to standards like Sleep Country.

A few notes regarding sites for Mississauga/Toronto:

Quality Rest Mattress unfortunately appears to be out of business.

Ideal Mattress Ltd is now only carrying Kingsdown in addition to their own line. The individual I talked to said they dropped the other brands due to quality issues. Ideal does seem very knowledgeable and accommodating.

Nine Clouds Beds isn't on your list but they carry some Dreamstar latex (over foam or innerspring) mattresses. Apparently family owned with good reviews online.

National Mattress Outlet also carries some Dreamstar. For anyone considering visiting National, it is literally just a warehouse; a SMALL warehouse. They will let you try out mattresses but with the plastic covers on them (and no pillows). i.e. don't bother going there if you want to test drive. Suspect their pricing is very good due to very low overhead (and no "sales reps").

In the end, looks like I'm deciding on an organic mattress from Dormio. An all latex/wool solution is definitely more expensive, but the Dormio mattresses are definitely high quality, should last a long long time, and for me at least, are extremely comfortable. I had that "ahhhhhh" reaction on theirs that I hadn't really had on any others (except a couple of brand names where I wouldn't expect the ahhh to last very long). Like the flexibility of their mattresses too, with the option to swap out layers on one side or both to adjust the support/feel. Also Dormio's in store service is phenomenal. Very patient and knowledgeable.

Heading there now to make a final decision. Will update with the specs of my purchase.
Last edit: 30 Jul 2015 15:04 by Phoenix. Reason: edit for search terms

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05 Sep 2014 17:29 - 30 Jul 2015 15:03 #32 by Phoenix
Hi NeedaNuBed,

Thanks for the feedback from the Toronto area ... I appreciate it :)

Quality Rest Mattress unfortunately appears to be out of business.


Thanks for the heads up. I initially thought that it was just their website that had changed because this website is still working but then I called them and their phone has been disconnected so as you mentioned it seems clear that they are out of business and I've removed them from the list.

Ideal Mattress Ltd is now only carrying Kingsdown in addition to their own line. The individual I talked to said they dropped the other brands due to quality issues. Ideal does seem very knowledgeable and accommodating.


That's good to hear although I would still focus on their own mattresses and would tend to avoid the Kingsdown unless there was a compelling reason to do otherwise. I've also edited their description in the Toronto list to change "major brands" to "Kingsdown".

Nine Clouds Beds isn't on your list but they carry some Dreamstar latex (over foam or innerspring) mattresses. Apparently family owned with good reviews online.


A forum search on nineclouds (you can just click the link) will bring up a few mentions of them but they tend to focus more on mainstream brands and their listed prices for their Dreamstar mattresses are also a little steep. Dreamstar is also on the list so instead of listing every retailer in the Toronto area that carries some of their mattresses (or any of the other wholesale manufacturers) and having a list that was much longer and more difficult to narrow down I would tend to suggest finding the retailers that were closest to someone by emailing or calling Dreamstar.

In the end, looks like I'm deciding on an organic mattress from Dormio. An all latex/wool solution is definitely more expensive, but the Dormio mattresses are definitely high quality, should last a long long time, and for me at least, are extremely comfortable. I had that "ahhhhhh" reaction on theirs that I hadn't really had on any others (except a couple of brand names where I wouldn't expect the ahhh to last very long). Like the flexibility of their mattresses too, with the option to swap out layers on one side or both to adjust the support/feel. Also Dormio's in store service is phenomenal. Very patient and knowledgeable.


As you know I think highly of John and Dormio and you are leaning in a great direction. They certainly sell some very high quality and durable mattresses and none of them have any weak links in their design. As you mentioned ... how long the "ahhhhh's" last is just as important as the oohs and ahhs themselves :)

I'm looking forward to finding out about your final decision ... and thanks again for taking the time to share your updates and feedback.

Phoenix

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23 Oct 2014 17:58 #33 by gmh
I went to New Dawn (Keele) today and tried out a latex mattress. The woman (Sona I think) didn't know much about them, but put me on the phone with a man who answered some questions about their latex. All they have is a 3.0lb talalay, all natural latex with a 20-year warranty. They didn't have the ILD for it, but said that the firmness was "medium". Their one floor model was a single and was $499 (6"). They said a queen would be $950 and it would take two days to complete.
I live a couple of hours out of the city, so I think I'll call in the order for the next time I go down. Compared to other places I called, it was considerably cheaper (Factory mattress was going to be ~$1700 for a 7" dunlop queen)

Anyway, I spent a good 15-20 minutes on it, and it felt great. I am 30 and have hip surgery on both hips and usually am a side sleeper but haven't been able to with my hip issues. I found it to be very forgiving on my hips, but it still felt like I was being supported. It was comfortable on my back as well. It didn't feel like it was getting any more compressed like cheaper foams can that feel very soft at first but by the end of the night you can feel right through.

Any final thoughts before I pull the trigger? It seems like a great price for all natural talalay, based on what I've been reading here.
This site is amazing by the way, as long as you have the patience to wade through all the info.

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23 Oct 2014 18:09 - 23 Oct 2014 18:22 #34 by MFC
Hi GMH,

What kind of certification confirms you are getting 100% natural talalay?
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23 Oct 2014 19:58 - 22 Jan 2015 12:48 #35 by Phoenix
Hi gmh,

Anyway, I spent a good 15-20 minutes on it, and it felt great. I am 30 and have hip surgery on both hips and usually am a side sleeper but haven't been able to with my hip issues. I found it to be very forgiving on my hips, but it still felt like I was being supported. It was comfortable on my back as well. It didn't feel like it was getting any more compressed like cheaper foams can that feel very soft at first but by the end of the night you can feel right through.


If you did some careful testing on the mattress and you are confident that it's a good match for you in terms of PPP and the materials are accurately described then this would certainly be a good quality/value purchase. If you are buying a floor model then I would expect a significant discount and in most cases there won't be a warranty on the mattress.

Any final thoughts before I pull the trigger? It seems like a great price for all natural talalay, based on what I've been reading here.


It may be worthwhile asking about the source of their Talalay latex (there are only two companies that make Talalay latex which is Latex International in the US or Radium in Holland) and ask them about the firmness rating of the latex (this will tell you more about who produced the latex and whether it's blended Talalay or "all natural" Talalay because they would each have a different firmness ratings). You can see the firmness ratings for both Latex International and Radium for their blended and 100% natural Talalay in post #2 here . While both are high quality materials ... some manufacturers will confuse blended Talalay with all natural Talalay so asking for the specific firmness rating would be way that you can confirm which one you have.

If the Talalay is 3.0 lb/ft3 then that would be the approximate density of 19 ILD blended Talalay from Latex International and this would be in a soft range not medium. If this was 100% natural in a similar ILD then it would be denser (natural rubber is denser than synthetic rubber) or if it was firmer then it would have a higher density as well (firmer latex has a higher density than softer latex of the same type and blend).


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Many retailers sell Natural Talalay, when in fact it only contains 30-40% natural ingredients.


You are certainly correct about this although blended Talalay is a very high quality material and in lower ILD's can even be more durable than 100% natural Talalay.

What kind of certification confirms you are getting 100% natural talalay?


While there aren't any certifications that will identify one type of Talalay from the other or the amount of natural rubber in the latex ... a manufacturer should be able to provide you with the source of the latex (or at least the country of origin) and the firmness rating that would identify whether it was all natural or blended. Other than this ... you would be dependent on the integrity of a manufacturer to provide you with accurate information about the blend of rubber in a Talalay latex layer.

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10 Feb 2015 07:31 - 30 Jul 2015 15:02 #36 by sangen
Hi Phoenix,

I have a bad history of choosing inappropriate mattresses, so I am hoping you can give me some feedback as I try once more to buy something I truly enjoy sleeping on. Your site has given me courage that I might actually succeed this time!

I am female, 5’5” tall, 132 pounds, 59 years old. I occasionally have mild neck and shoulder pain from desk work. I also have low back pain due to an achy sacro-iliac, again caused by desk work. I don’t have any neurological damage, thank goodness. I sleep on my sides and back.

I do not want a mattress that has any brominated or organophosphate flame retardants in it. I also don’t want a mattress that off-gasses any more harmful VOCs than the level found in typical indoor air. It’s not important to me that the mattress be organic, but I suspect that since I don’t want the flame retardants or the VOCs that means I’ll have to restrict myself to buying an organic mattress?

I live in Toronto, so your list of Toronto manufacturers and retailers has been a big help! I made a few calls. I visited Ideal Mattress Ltd (good products there) and tried out a latex mattress that consisted of 7” of firm (35 ILD) Dunlop latex topped with 3” of soft (15-17 ILD) Dunlop latex, covered with an organic cotton and wool wrap. It supported my body well and I didn’t feel any pressure points. I asked if they could make a pocket coil mattress with a latex comfort layer on top, but the woman I spoke to said you can’t put latex on top of coils because the coils would cut into the latex. That doesn’t sound quite right to me.

I also visited Dormio and was impressed with their constructive sales help. I liked two of their beds. The Marquis has 6” of medium latex topped by 2” of extra soft latex and 1” of organic wool. The Landon has 3” of medium latex topped by 3” of soft and 2” of extra soft latex and 1” of wool. Both beds provided good support and pressure relief, but the Landon had a nicer “kushy” feel to it.

But because I tend to sleep warm, I am a bit concerned that during the summer I may get too hot sleeping on the latex. In the past, I have enjoyed the feel of a pocket coil innerspring and was hoping to find one without the flame retardants and excess VOCs. I noticed that somasleep.ca has some innerspring mattresses, so I will give them a call this week.

If you have any advice for me on how to locate flame retardant-free innerspring mattresses, I would appreciate it.

Thanks!
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10 Feb 2015 11:17 - 10 Feb 2015 11:18 #37 by Phoenix
Hi sangen,

Just in case you haven't read it yet I would make sure you've read the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones..

I do not want a mattress that has any brominated or organophosphate flame retardants in it. I also don’t want a mattress that off-gasses any more harmful VOCs than the level found in typical indoor air. It’s not important to me that the mattress be organic, but I suspect that since I don’t want the flame retardants or the VOCs that means I’ll have to restrict myself to buying an organic mattress?


Post #2 here and the more detailed posts and information it links to have more information about safe, natural, organic, "chemical free", and "green" mattresses and mattress materials that can help you sort through some of the marketing information and terminology that you will encounter in the industry and can help you differentiate between them and answer "how safe is safe enough for me" so you can decide on the types of materials you are most comfortable having in your mattress. These types of issues are complex and are generally specific to each person and their individual sensitivities, circumstances, criteria, and lifestyle choices.

If you have any advice for me on how to locate flame retardant-free innerspring mattresses, I would appreciate it.


The previous link also has more information about "safe" fire retardant methods that don't use chemicals to make them fire retardant.

I asked if they could make a pocket coil mattress with a latex comfort layer on top, but the woman I spoke to said you can’t put latex on top of coils because the coils would cut into the latex. That doesn’t sound quite right to me.


This would depend on the type of innerspring that is used in the mattress. With innersprings that use helical coils and have lower coil counts you would generally need an insulator layer to prevent the comfort materials from compressing into the innerspring but many fabric encased pocket coils that have higher coil counts would provide a "bed" for the comfort layers above them that would have even enough support for the comfort materials above them to prevent the springs from cutting into the layers above them and don't need an insulator layer above the coils. There are many pocket coil/latex hybrids that work very well without cutting into the latex comfort layers.

Latex in general is the most breathable of all the foam materials so there would be less chance of sleeping hot on latex than on other types of foam materials that are generally used in comfort layers but the type of mattress cover and the materials that are quilted to it along with the mattress protector you use and your sheets and bedding will also have a very significant effect on temperature regulation because they are closer to your body. Wool is a great temperature regulator (in both directions) and wool quilted covers are often used with latex mattresses both as a fire retardant and as a temperature regulator. There is more about the many variables that can affect sleeping temperature and temperature regulation in post #2 here .

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25 Feb 2015 11:39 #38 by sangen
Hi Phoenix,

Thanks for your thoughtful and helpful input. Just providing an update on my search.

I recently visited Soma Organic Mattresses and got some good sales help from John. Because I have always slept on coil mattresses, I tried one of their coil mattresses but found it too firm. I tried one of their top of the line latex beds by Obasan, which was very comfy but out of my price range (I can’t remember the exact price, but it was over $3,400 just for the queen size mattress). So John suggested the Ergo Hevea Sogno by GreenSleep. It is 6.5” of Dunlop all natural latex. The version I tried consists of a 1.5” base layer of firm latex, a 3” layer of soft latex in the middle and a 2” top layer of soft latex. John said that if I found it too soft that he could exchange the middle soft layer for a firmer one. Each layer was enclosed in a thin cotton cover. John checked my spinal alignment on the bed and it was just right. I felt good support for my lumbar area and a nice softness under my shoulders. Looks like it could be a good choice for me. It’s priced at $2,298 for the queen size.

It’s been a while since I visited Dormio, so I think I need to return there once more. I recall their Landon bed as being quite comfortable. Comparing it on paper, the Landon compares favorably to the Ergo Hevea Sogno. The Landon has 8” of foam, 1.5” more than the Ergo Hevea Sogno. Dormio quoted a price of $2,298 for the Landon, the same as the Ergo Hevea Sogno.

So, even though I have always slept on a coil mattress, I am leaning towards a latex mattress because they are just feeling more comfortable, especially for my shoulder and neck area.

By the way, just for a jarring contrast, I visited Sleep Country last week. The sales person was very pleasant and helpful until, after trying a number of mattresses, I mentioned that I was not ready to buy that day. Her demeanor changed greatly—not so friendly. She also suddenly provided a coupon reducing the mattress price by $800. I can only conclude that they must be earning most of their income through commissions. She couldn’t provide detailed info on the composition of the mattress I liked best.

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25 Feb 2015 23:40 #39 by Phoenix
Hi sangen,

By the way, just for a jarring contrast, I visited Sleep Country last week. The sales person was very pleasant and helpful until, after trying a number of mattresses, I mentioned that I was not ready to buy that day. Her demeanor changed greatly—not so friendly. She also suddenly provided a coupon reducing the mattress price by $800. I can only conclude that they must be earning most of their income through commissions. She couldn’t provide detailed info on the composition of the mattress I liked best.


I think this would be a fairly "typical" experience and as sad as it is ... most of the members here that have spent an hour or two on this site would probably know more meaningful information about mattresses and mattress materials than most of the salespeople in the mainstream industry that sell them.

I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding and it sounds like you are doing some good research :)

Phoenix

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27 Feb 2015 16:55 #40 by sangen
Hi Phoenix,

I revisited Dormio today so I could compare the feel of Dormio's Landon vs. Soma’s Ergo Hevea Sogno. I’d say that Dormio’s Landon is better for me. The two mattresses support me equally well. But I felt the Landon conformed a little better to my body. I spent about 20 minutes on the Landon, mostly on my side (where I sleep the most), and almost fell asleep. I guess that’s a good sign! Then Lance pointed out that the Landon was on sale for $1998 for the queen until March 1. So I think I’m going to buy this mattress.

My husband expressed a few concerns. About 5 years ago I bought a “natural” latex mattress from IKEA that was actually about 85% natural/15% synthetic. It was very smelly. Even though it felt decent at first, after a while it was like sleeping on a rock--we woke up with numb hips and arms. So I returned it in exchange for credit at the store. My husband wondered if this bad experience with latex might be repeated with the Landon. For starters, Lance said that his mattresses aren’t stinky. IKEA’s mattress may have been stinky due to the 15% synthetic content. In addition, the IKEA latex was rated firm. Lance said that for someone my size even a medium firm would likely be too firm. Based on the info on your site and the help from Lance, I feel like I have gone through the right steps and (I hope!) have chosen an appropriate mattress for my needs—the 3 Ps. Finally, Lance says that Dormio will re-arrange or exchange the layers in the mattress after purchase until I get the right support and comfort.

I’ll keep you posted on the results. The new mattress will be delivered in 3-5 weeks.

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