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28 Dec 2015 22:58 #71 by yubbers
But he was so slick about it... :P

Wow. What a wealth of knowledge this place is. I really appreciate you taking the time to compile that list. I was just gonna get a Lucid 10" but stumbled upon this site and got lost in it. I don't really want to spend more than $500 so I've been looking at Lucid, Linenspa Gel and Classic Brands. Based on what I've learned here they all use 3lb foam with the Classic issuing 4 lb. It would appear attaining 4lb under $500 is difficult.

Gonna dig into that list and make some calls tomorrow. This one looks interesting
mysleepfurniture.net/collections/mattres...organic-cotton-cover

Thanks again for your hard work

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29 Dec 2015 08:57 #72 by Phoenix
Hi yubbers,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! ... and I'm glad you found us :)

I don't really want to spend more than $500 so I've been looking at Lucid, Linenspa Gel and Classic Brands. Based on what I've learned here they all use 3lb foam with the Classic issuing 4 lb. It would appear attaining 4lb under $500 is difficult.


Yes you're right that it's much more difficult to find good quality mattresses that sell for under $500 (in queen size). There is more about different budget ranges in this article .

Gonna dig into that list and make some calls tomorrow. This one looks interesting
mysleepfurniture.net/collections/mattres...organic-cotton-cover


You can see some comments about this mattress in this topic and there are some red flags here that would make me cautious and I would follow the suggestions in post #6 in the topic (checking the law tag and checking with the manufacturer) before considering it for a purchase.

Phoenix

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29 Dec 2015 12:35 #73 by yubbers
Thanks for the link.
The gentleman at the store had no clue. The link helped me determine who the manufacture was. Cozy

Lady that answered the phone also had no clue but called me back promptly as promised. Mattress is 8" of 2lb density base and the 3" latex layer is 4lb density. Tough to pull the trigger on with no feedback at all. And no Certipur so the materials are suspect.

The 4lb density from the Classic Brands might be the answer. The Queen Cool 8" is priced very well. As is the Cool 12" I'm 6'4 185 pounds and looking for something firm. The 12" is supposedly plusher. I think the 8" based on feedback is more up my alley for firmness. Will the 12" vs an 8" last significantly longer though?

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29 Dec 2015 13:15 #74 by Phoenix
Hi yubbers,

Lady that answered the phone also had no clue but called me back promptly as promised. Mattress is 8" of 2lb density base and the 3" latex layer is 4lb density. Tough to pull the trigger on with no feedback at all. And no Certipur so the materials are suspect.


The density of the latex is a "comfort spec" and isn't particularly important although I would want to know the type and blend of the latex so that you can make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses.

I would also check the law tag to confirm that latex is a significant percentage of the materials in the mattress (based on weight percentage). If the specs are correct the latex should be somewhere in the range of 40% of the contents of the mattress. The law tag should also indicate that the mattress is using all new materials.

One of the red flags is that the manufacturer told me that this mattress would normally be selling at twice the price and if it is a new mattress with new materials and isn't a comfort or warranty return and they are an authorized dealer then I would want to know why they are selling it at a price that would be closer to their wholesale price than the retail price that would normally be charged to consumers. Something just doesn't add up.

The 4lb density from the Classic Brands might be the answer. The Queen Cool 8" is priced very well. As is the Cool 12" I'm 6'4 185 pounds and looking for something firm. The 12" is supposedly plusher. I think the 8" based on feedback is more up my alley for firmness. Will the 12" vs an 8" last significantly longer though?


The single biggest factor in the durability of a mattress is the quality and durability of the materials and components inside it ... not the thickness (see post #2 here ).

While there is no way to quantify how long any mattress will last for a specific person or predict exactly when you will decide to replace it because it is no longer suitable or comfortable for you (because this is the only real measure of durability or the useful life of a mattress that really matters) because there are too many unknowns and variables involved that are unique to each person ... if a mattress is well inside a suitable comfort/support range and isn't close to the edge of being too soft when it is new (see post #2 here ) and meets the minimum quality/durability specs that are suggested in the guidelines here then it would be reasonable to expect a useful lifetime in the range of 7 - 10 years and with higher quality and more durable materials like latex (in the comfort layers especially) it would likely be in the higher end of the range or in the case of the mattresses you are considering the chances that you would have additional "bonus time" would be higher as well.

There is also more detailed information about the many variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to different people in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

Phoenix

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29 Dec 2015 14:01 - 29 Dec 2015 14:04 #75 by yubbers
Both sides made considering that one uninspiring

Just pulled the trigger on the 8" Classic Brands Cool in Queen. 12" just sounds too plush. Plus the extra couple bucks saved got me some nice pillows.
The 10.5 might have been a nice inbetween but can't seem to find one in Canada. Firmness ftw :)

Excited
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29 Dec 2015 14:23 - 29 Dec 2015 14:23 #76 by Phoenix
Hi yubbers,

Just pulled the trigger on the 8" Classic Brands Cool in Queen. 12" just sounds too plush. Plus the extra couple bucks saved got me some nice pillows.


Hopefully you had the chance to do some careful testing to make sure that the mattress was a good "match" for you in terms of PPP (or if you didn't test the mattress in person that you are comfortable with the return policy and any costs that would be involved in returning it should that be necessary).

I hope that you also confirmed the density of the polyfoam base layer in the mattress.

Assuming that the base layer is a suitable density and you are comfortable with the return policy then you made a good quality/value choice ... and congratulations on your new mattress :).

I'm looking forward to your comments and feedback once you've received it and have had the chance to try it out and sleep on it for a bit.

Phoenix

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29 Dec 2015 19:36 - 29 Dec 2015 19:37 #77 by yubbers
Cheers!

The least I can do is provide an update.

It's a 4lb base with 2lb gel top with Certipur certification. I understand in my budget I wasnt going to get anything spectacular but the info here has helped me find the best value to quality ratio I think and I thank you again.

Now I'm thinking about building a memory foam sofa...:)
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29 Dec 2015 19:44 - 29 Dec 2015 19:58 #78 by Phoenix
Hi Yubbers,

It's a 4lb base with 3lb gel top. I understand in my budget I wasnt going to get anything spectacular but the info here has helped me find the best value to quality ratio I think and I thank you again.


Thanks for the update.

Unfortunately these specs don't appear to be correct. The polyfoam base layer wouldn't be 4 lb density (it would most likely be somewhere in the 1.5 - 1.8 lb density range) and if the top layer is 3 lb gel memory foam then it would be lower quality/density than I would normally consider even in your budget range and would be a weak link in the mattress in terms of durability.

Having said that ... if the mattress you purchased is this one then the description says that it has a 2" comfort layer of 4 lb gel memory foam which would be a more suitable and durable density (although it doesn't mention the density of the base layer).

If you purchased it from Walmart (or somewhere else that has a good return/refund policy with a minimal cost involved) then if the mattress doesn't turn out to be as good a match for you as you hoped for in terms of PPP and you don't sleep well on it then you can just return it.

Phoenix

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29 Dec 2015 20:07 #79 by yubbers
Well then......

Back to square 1.

Got it from Amazon so a return would be easy. Not available at Walmart in Canada.

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29 Dec 2015 20:24 - 29 Dec 2015 20:24 #80 by Phoenix
Hi yubbers,

Got it from Amazon so a return would be easy. Not available at Walmart in Canada.


If you purchase a mattress from Amazon then they have a 30 day return policy but for mattresses there is generally a charge involved and any return would need to go through the large items return department because a mattress is too large to ship with a courier once it has decompressed.

Hopefully it will turn out to be a good match for you once you've had the chance to try it out so you won't need to return it.

Phoenix

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