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Factory Direct Mattresses in the Toronto, ON and GTA area. 01 Aug 2020 19:50 #131

Hi Rachellyn.

Thank you for your kind words. I am glad to hear that The Mattress Underground has been able to offer you valuable resources in your mattress shopping journey!

I'm a bit stuck right now. I'm having trouble finding something in Canada that might fit my price range that would work for me and my partner-- … I'm pretty stuck on how to go about getting something custom made and where to start in terms of what I'm looking for.
I am looking for a queen size, I'm 115 lbs, 5'5 and a stomach sleeper. My partner is 415lbs, 5'11, and a side sleeper.


I understand why you would be “a bit stuck right now” … you are indeed facing quite a few hurdles in selecting a good fit mattress including the Covid separation from your partner due to border restrictions, distance, and several individual needs due to the disparity between you and your partner’s BMI. I agree that an air mattress is not a long-term solution but hopefully, with a little more perusing though a few more resources and a bit more guidance, you can narrow down a few good options even in the physical absence of your partner.

As you are considering custom made options, it makes sense that with your special circumstances a DYI mattress could be worthwhile looking at as it allows for customizing each side separately which can be very appropriate especially if you are leaving a little of “headroom” for any after purchase adjustments that may be necessary when your partner can join you. Due to the larger weight differential between you and your partner and because of your different sleeping positions, you will certainly need different contour and support configurations at your respective weights. It would be good prep work if you and your partner can exchange a few notes in terms of needs and preferences so that you decide on the type of mattress and materials and the support you prefer. I’d be interested to know a bit his history in terms of pain, surface material preferences, any past motion isolation issues, and determine if he is the type of sleeper that can sleep on just anything with no issues or if he is more sensitive. That will have a big effect on your final choice as well.

How thick of a mattress does someone who is over 400 lbs actually need (generally) in order to be properly supported and to have pressure relief when side sleeping? I know his favourite mattress he's had in the past was a tempurpedic pillowtop spring mattess he has that he describes as being medium firm. Of course I can't test what that mattress would feel like for me. I generally do prefer some softeness even though I sleep on my stomach because I find my hips and chest hurt on really firm mattresses and I tend to crank my neck a bit.

Your partner’s higher BMI presents special challenges and generally requires firmer materials (in the support layers especially) and a thicker mattress as you noted… You on the other hand are petite and would not need much thickness (7” -9” would be more than enough) You could do well with a much thicker mattress provided that you have enough support to keep your spine in neutral alignment when sleeping prone. For your partner’s BMI I’d probably go thicker than 10” and make sure that the comfort/transition layers are firmer, thicker, and very durable (check the mattress durability guidelines for higher BMIs) no materials will last as long with much higher weights the quality and durability of the materials and components is even more important than normal.
While a thicker mattress certainly wouldn't be necessary in your weight range ... there are some people that may prefer it you can read more about the pros and cons of having more layers in post #2 here and there is also more about the effect of thickness (more layers would make a thicker mattress) in post #14 here .

I’d also keep in mind while you are trying to put this puzzle together that the thicker the mattress is … the firmness would need to go up on average because thicker mattresses will "act" softer for most people. Also If you make changes to one of the specs (such as the layer thickness of the top layer) ... then you may also need to make other changes to the other layers to compensate. This is because heavier weights will compress more of the mattress surface and go through the comfort layers. But generally, I’d advise that you get a thick enough mattress to be able to accommodate the weight differential and focus on your side of the bed first and get that right.

A split left/right configuration would certainly have the best odds of success. The mattress can be built so that the total thickness of the mattress is the same for each side, which means that there would be no difference in elevation, and with a suitable tight fitted quilted cover, the “split” transition area between sides is usually unnoticeable for most people. You can read more here about side by side layering in post #2. You’ve mentioned that firmer materials are less comfortable for you, but for your stomach sleeping position, you may wish to review the guidelines in this Sleep Positions Article [url] so that you avoid hyperextension in a swayback position that can cause back issues.

Generally, I wouldn't "rule out" any types of mattress and base your choices on your own personal testing. You can read more information and suggestions about heavier weights and mattress choices .

My prefered budget is around 1500-1700$ but lately I've been feeling so overwhelmed that I've been debating just spending 2700 in order to pay to ship an avocado green mattress with pillow top in. I would really prefer a latex hybrid with pocket coils (trying to be realistic about my budget a bit there) with a wool quilted organic cotten cover. If at all possible. Though I can compromise if that's just not going to be an option for me. So even if I were to build my own mattress, I'm not sure where to even start or how thick it needs to be and what I might be able to afford.

The good news is that there are plenty of options for a good quality queen mattress within your budget range. Your challenge is to get a good fit mattress locally and with options to customize after purchase if necessary.
While your own careful testing or personal experience is the most reliable way to know whether any mattress is a good "match" for you in terms of comfort and PPP ... when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

You may want to talk with Dormio, one of our Trusted Members and like all the members here I think very highly of and consider them to be among the best in the industry and have several locations in the greater Toronto area They have customization option available for side by side layering of their latex mattress. You can also reach them through their dedicated forum here on The Mattress Underground and would happily answer any questions you may have about their products – or you may find it more worthwhile to give them, or any mattress manufacturer/retailer you’re considering, a call with your specific questions.

You may also be interested in exploring MFC (in Delta, Canada) also a mattress expert on our site which have DIY/customization options, as well as Restmore Bedding in Winnipeg who offer customization options as their products are factory direct.

If you are considering US options
SleepEZ is also one of our Trusted Members who ships to Canada. Latex Mattress Factory is designing and customizing beds for plus people as well. You may want to first start by personalizing/customizing a side by side split layered latex mattress using your and your partner’s sleeping specs right on their website (a queen, including customization options, would be within your budget!) but I’d still make sure to call them and verify your choices. Like most of our Trusted Members - also offer a discount code to TMU members which you can find on their member page . They also have a dedicated forum here on the website.

It looks like there is a bit more leg work you need to do but I commend your willingness to do this right to get a good fit durable to serve both you and your partner best for years to come.
I hope this information helps guide you in your mattress selection and I look forward to hearing an update.

Phoenix
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Factory Direct Mattresses in the Toronto, ON and GTA area. 27 Aug 2020 12:35 #132

Thanks to everyone on here for answering questions and providing information. It's been helpful to read through a lot of the posts. My mattress from a big box store turned into a hammock after a few years of use and is now hurting my back so I'm obviously in the market for a new one.

My wife and I looked at latex mattresses at Dormio Organic beds and she liked the feel of the Wakefield. From top to bottom it is 2" extra soft dunlop, 3" extra soft dunlop, 6" medium dunlop.

I have a few questions I was hoping someone could answer.

1. Extra soft Dunlop latex (11-12 ILD) seems to be unusual. In another post on here, MFC responded that their "supplier doesn’t recommend using Organic Dunlop Latex densities below 65 kg/m3 in a mattress. The softest latex we carry is 18-20 ILD in soft." Has anyone tried the extra soft dunlop latex over an extended period of time and has it held up OK? Would there be concerns about the longevity of extra soft latex?

2. Some of the layers of this mattress are not GOLS certified organic latex. They are natural latex. From what I've read, natural latex is exactly the same as GOLS certified latex when it comes to feel and quality if it's manufactured properly. I've also read that some suppliers mix in filler ingredients to reduce the price. How can you be sure that you're getting the highest quality natural latex vs latex that has been mixed with fillers to reduce costs if there isn't a certification? Does Dormio Organic beds just have to trust their supplier? Are there a few well known suppliers of natural latex that everyone in the industry trusts?

Thanks for any input.

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Factory Direct Mattresses in the Toronto, ON and GTA area. 29 Aug 2020 18:34 #133

Hi GoodNght.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

Thanks to everyone on here for answering questions and providing information. It's been helpful to read through a lot of the posts. My mattress from a big box store turned into a hammock after a few years of use and is now hurting my back so I'm obviously in the market for a new one.


Sorry to hear of your back is hurting … too bad that you didn’t find us before making your “big box store” purchase. Hopefully, you’ll be able now to rely on The Mattress Underground as a resource as you decide on a mattress moving forward.

My wife and I looked at latex mattresses at Dormio Organic beds and she liked the feel of the Wakefield. From top to bottom it is 2" extra soft dunlop, 3" extra soft dunlop, 6" medium dunlop.
1. Extra soft Dunlop latex (11-12 ILD) seems to be unusual. In another post on here, MFC responded that their "supplier doesn’t recommend using Organic Dunlop Latex densities below 65 kg/m3 in a mattress. The softest latex we carry is 18-20 ILD in soft." Has anyone tried the extra soft dunlop latex over an extended period of time and has it held up OK? Would there be concerns about the longevity of extra soft latex?


Dormio is one of our Trusted Members on The Mattress Underground and they have a dedicated forum here on the site as well, where I’m sure they’d be happy to directly answer any of your questions.

You will find different people and manufacturers who prefer the properties or "feel" of one material or combination of materials over another for their designs, but which materials you choose should always be based on personal preference and your needs. If you have a higher BMI I would definitely keep in mind that an extra soft latex will wear out and it's not as durable as firmer, higher-density/ILD latex, this said, even an X soft latex layer would last longer than any other type of foams of similar densities. Any materials in combinations that are suitable for your specific circumstances can provide the combination of PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences) and that higher quality materials will last longer than lower-quality materials. An inch or so of softer latex in the quilting of the bed is common in the industry and is not usually considered as a liability when it comes to durability. Foam or fiber that is quilted to a cover will be compressed by the quilting process and would be more durable than the same material that isn't quilted to a cover.

2. Some of the layers of this mattress are not GOLS certified organic latex. They are natural latex. From what I've read, natural latex is exactly the same as GOLS certified latex when it comes to feel and quality if it's manufactured properly. I've also read that some suppliers mix in filler ingredients to reduce the price. How can you be sure that you're getting the highest quality natural latex vs latex that has been mixed with fillers to reduce costs if there isn't a certification? Does Dormio Organic beds just have to trust their supplier? Are there a few well-known suppliers of natural latex that everyone in the industry trusts?

All latex foam (including 100% natural Dunlop and Talalay and organic latex) uses a small amount of chemicals to manufacture the latex (see the first part of post #7 here ) but the manufacturers don't release the specifics of their compounding formula which is a closely guarded secret. For any latex to be labeled as organic, it must meet very stringent requirements. Dormio has its certifications for its natural latex on their website. Their organic latex is GOLS certified, and their natural latex is Eco Institut tested/certified and OEKO TEX certified as well. These are very good indicators of meeting the standard requirements and quality. Any additives like phase change materials, graphite and copper that are added to their latex would usually be for some of their specialty products, or to add certain desirable characteristics to the rubber.

You can learn more about 100% natural latex in the above mentioned thread . We also have a good mattress certification thread here .

I hope this helps you with your decision! Please keep us posted on any updates 

Phoenix
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Factory Direct Mattresses in the Toronto, ON and GTA area. 16 Nov 2020 13:07 #134

That's great info to have! I'm going to visit Dormio, as it gets such good reviews on this website. I hope to find the perfect all organic latex mattress, something that is actually hard to find in the Toronto area. Dormio says that they will have a Black Friday discount, and I was wondering if they might offer TMU discount on top of that. I hope so, as that is the only way I'll be able to afford one of their mattresses!

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Factory Direct Mattresses in the Toronto, ON and GTA area. 19 Nov 2020 11:35 #135

Hi mhoogeveen.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

It's wonderful that you're going to visit Dormio. Please keep us informed on how your visit goes.

Dormio Organic Beds has a 5% discount for TMU subscribers for purchases via their website. I'm unsure whether they accept "stackable" discounts, but as you'll be visiting in person, it can't hurt to ask while you're there whether or not they'd also honor their 5% TMU discount in addition to their Black Friday discounts.

Our members offer TMU consumer discounts equally or higher than what they offer anywhere else on the internet or on their own website. Your post here will prompt them to offer the highest discount they have available. I took a look at their website and they haven't shared any Black Friday pricing as of yet and I was unable to test whether the TMU discount would be included on top of anything "site-wide."

Let us know what you find out, and how your testing goes!

Phoenix
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Factory Direct Mattresses in the Toronto, ON and GTA area. 19 Nov 2020 12:01 #136

Thanks, Phoenix.
I did make it out to Dormio and really like the Legacy Pemberton 10. The associate (Margaret) was just lovely, and quite helpful. She quoted a price that is outside my range. I asked re the TMU discount, but she told me that I could not use both the discount she offered and the TMU discount. At the time, I was not aware that the TMU discount of 5% would have been $145., and that the price offered was just $100 less than the listed price on the website. At any rate, I think she may have figured that out, and she later emailed with an additional $200 off, a gesture for which I am grateful. Unfortunately, the mattress is still not in my price range :-( Not sure what avenue to take at this point, as I'm sold on the benefits of latex but it seems pretty expensive. Kind regards to you and yours, Margaret

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Factory Direct Mattresses in the Toronto, ON and GTA area. 21 Nov 2020 21:32 #137

Hi Margaret.

Thanks for following up and sharing your positive experience with Dormio. It’s nice to get firsthand experience of how they go out of their way to help their customers. Too bad that the product you like is out of your current budget even after their generous discount. :(

We have a few more Canadian Trusted Members that you might want to check out who offer latex mattresses and a few US Members who ship to Canada if you're interested in browsing or reaching out to any of them.

Memory Foam Comfort is in Canada and has latex mattress options as well, including the option to customize a mattress. You might want to go that route but you won’t be able to test it.
CBH Wood Furniture has a very good bed design with the Tri-Slat system and latex . If you don’t mind driving, you can try their bed in Burlington, ON (you need to call for an appointment) and Perth, ON / Oakville, ON (Osteopath Clinic) I am not sure if their Toronto showroom is still open at this time.
Restmore Bedding has some very good products but unfortunately, they are located in Winnipeg, MB

I believe you tried the older 10" pure latex Pemberton with 6" of firm/extra firm + 4" of plush/soft latex in the comfort layer) This is a long shot but you can also reach out to any of our US Trusted Members to see if they have something comparable. Nothing will feel exactly the same but this may be another direction to look into. You’d need to check out the shipping fees/taxes and wait times as these may add up to your cost.

Arizona Premium is extremely knowledgeable and a great place to start.
At a quick glance, similar options to the mattress you liked (and with exchange/return policies in place in case it's not quite what you're looking for) are My Green Mattress and Sleep EZ .

Should you find that the product and any associated international shipping/tax costs fall within your budget… contact them directly and let them know what you've tested, what you like, and what you're looking for as far as feel. These are all extremely knowledgeable mattress industry people who will put your needs above their bottom line.

Please check out these leads and let me know how things progress!

Phoenix
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