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My New Novosbed Mattress: My experience versus Tempurpedic 30 Jul 2014 14:54 #11

Hi missy_

* The newer mattresses of this type have fire-resistant covers, although the mattresses themselves are not fire-proof. Tempurpedic uses a similar process. They meet the open flame mattress flammability standard.


Just for reference ... all mattresses sold in the US meet the same open flame standard (and the cigarette smoldering test as well) and most of them use either a "sock" that is made of an inherent fire resistant material that acts as a flame barrier and surrounds the materials and components in the mattress or a similar material that is quilted to the mattress cover. If a mattress doesn't pass CFR 16 part 1632 and 1633 (the smoldering and open flame tests) it can't be sold without a prescription from a health professional.

I'm glad you were able to set up your mattress successfully :)

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My New Novosbed Mattress: My experience versus Tempurpedic 30 Jul 2014 15:09 #12

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Thank you, Phoenix. :)

And thanks for elaborating on the open flame and smouldering tests.

Could you clarify whether or not flame retardants are still being used? Are flame retardants no longer being used since 2007? If so, things have changed a lot since I last bought a mattress. :)

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My New Novosbed Mattress: My experience versus Tempurpedic 30 Jul 2014 16:24 #13

Hi missy_

The issue of flame retardants in mattress is a very complex one and there isn't enough transparency in the industry to really know all the specifics of the flame retardants that are used in many mattresses.

In most cases ... mattresses use barrier systems and foams that use flame retardant chemicals are much more common in the furniture industry than in mattresses. Some of the barrier systems though also use various chemicals in their manufacturing that some people consider to be questionable at best and harmful at worst.

There is a great deal of misinformation on both sides of the discussion but although it's far from complete because of the lack of transparency in the industry ... there is more information about mattresses and flame retardant methods that may be "safer" in post #2 here and post #4 here .

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My New Novosbed Mattress: My experience versus Tempurpedic 30 Jul 2014 19:39 #14

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Thank you, Phoenix. :)

Off to do more reading! So much knowledgeable and useful information on this site.

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My New Novosbed Mattress: My experience versus Tempurpedic 31 Jul 2014 20:22 #15

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Hi missy_

Here is an good article by CBC, on the Canadian side of flame retardants found in foams sold in stores across Canada

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/household-flame-retardants-potentially-ineffective-dangerous-1.1274742

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My New Novosbed Mattress: My experience versus Tempurpedic 01 Aug 2014 13:11 #16

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I have not had a lot of sleep :side: but I am going to post my initial impressions of the mattress.

If this doesn't make sense, well, it is because I haven't had a lot of sleep!

This is not as smooth an adjustment as the Tempurpedic Rhapsody Luxe was for me.

Before I give my initial impressions:

I would like to preface this by stating that I owned a Tempurpedic Rhapsody Luxe, and the Novosbed Aria is comparable to a different Tempurpedic model, the Tempur Cloud Supreme.1

The models in question have the following specs:2

Rhapsody Luxe:

Comfort Layers
2" TEMPUR-HD 7.1LB
2" TEMPUR Material 5.3LB

Support System
Dual Airflow Base
4 3/4" Airflow Base layer 2.0LB
4 3/4" Airflow Base Layer 2.0LB

Novosbed Aria:

Comfort Layers
2" Premium Plush Memory Foam (4.1 lb)
2" of Premium Memory Foam (5.2 lb)

Support Layers
7" of Premium Support Foam (2 lb)
Dual Novosflow promotes air circulation throughout the mattress

Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme:

Comfort Layers
1.2" TEMPUR-ES 4.1LB
2.75" TEMPUR Material 5.3LB

Support Layers
3" Poly foam Base 2.0LB
5" Poly foam Base 2.0LB

Phoenix has stated that foams with the same densities from different manufacturers can feel differently.3

The Rhapsody Luxe is somewhat difficult to move across. Some people dislike this about the Tempurpedics. I do not mind this sensation. It is a function of "Tempur Adapt" according to Tempurpedic: the higher the "Tempur Adapt" (how it shapes and conforms to your body) level, the more conforming the Tempur foam. The Tempur HD is the most conforming of their foams. I seem to like highly conforming foam. In the case of Tempurpedic it appears to be 7.1 lb density.4

The Novosbed Aria is not difficult to move across. The foams are 4.1 lb and 5.2 lb similar to the Tempur Cloud Supreme, which does not contain Tempur HD and is not considered by Tempurpedic to be a highly conforming foam (the Tempur Adapt level on the Cloud Supreme is much less than the Rhapsody Luxe).

I mention all of this because I may need a higher level of conforming foam than a 4.1 lb top layer 5. And I am not even sure that a 5 lb foam would be enough for me.



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1 I tried the Cloud Supreme out in the store, and it seemed fine. Although sleeping on a mattress all night is different than laying on one in a store.

2 These were the last known specs for Tempurpedic, which may or may not still apply.

3 I hope I paraphrased that correctly.

4 This is my best guess based on the last known specs for Tempur-HD.

5 Or somewhere in the comfort layers.

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My New Novosbed Mattress: My experience versus Tempurpedic 01 Aug 2014 13:14 #17

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My initial impressions of the Novosbed Aria mattress:

How I slept:

I am noting these early impressions of the mattress because I did not experience any break-in period with the Tempurpedic Rhapsody Luxe. With the Rhapsody Luxe I slept well from the first night (sans heat issues).

Night One:

I tossed and turned. Woke up several times during the night. Felt warm once.

I did not toss and turn on the Tempurpedic. I would generally wake up lying in the same spot I went to sleep in. Some people do not like this, but I do.

Night Two:

Night two was, frankly, awful.

Woke up hot after about 4 hours. I tossed and turned but could not find a comfortable position. I was unable to get back to sleep. I ended up getting out of bed and waking up. Four hours of sleep is not a restful night's sleep for me!

The Novosbed Aria feels like I am not sinking into it like I did with the Rhapsody Luxe. It feels like I am sleeping on top of the mattress instead of being cradled in the memory foam.

I would not describe this as "highly contouring foam."

So far, to me, this mattress which is supposed to be softer than the Rhapsody Luxe actually feels firmer. My lower arm feels like it is crushing into my shoulder when I sleep on my side. The mattress feels too firm and like I am not sinking in. It is described as "soft" but I am not finding it soft. The Rhapsody Luxe is described as medium firm and yet for me it felt softer and more conforming.

I do know from experience that memory foam has a break-in period. And yes, the Tempurpedic Rhapsody Luxe did change over time and become softer. But even when it was in its firmest, new state, I slept like a rock except for when I would wake up hot; then I would move to another part of the bed and fall back asleep. This is because even when the Rhapsody Luxe was new, the Tempur-HD foam was highly conforming in my opinion and I did not feel any pressure points.

I hope I get used to it and that this sorts itself out.

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My New Novosbed Mattress: My experience versus Tempurpedic 01 Aug 2014 13:18 #18

Hi missy_

Thanks for the update and feedback ... I appreciate it :).

As you mentioned your mattress is different from the mattress you are used to sleeping on and it can take a few weeks for any new mattress to break in and for you to adjust to a different sleeping surface as well (see post #2 here ) so it will be interesting to see how things progress and your sleeping experience changes over the course of the next few weeks.

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My New Novosbed Mattress: My experience versus Tempurpedic 01 Aug 2014 16:07 #19

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Hi Phoenix,

Thanks. I hope it gets better. :)

and for you to adjust to a different sleeping surface as well (see post #2 here )


I will answer a few of your points from the above link so that I have both for easy reference.

The first is as you mentioned that the sheets are thick enough to prevent the amount of heat that is needed for the gel foam or the foam underneath it to reach its full "softness" potential.


I use 100 percent cotton sheets of approximately 220 thread count. I like a low thread count in sheets, as for me it is more breathable, plus I like the way 220-thread-count cotton sheets feel.

Next could be the depth of the sheet pocket of the fitted sheet. If this mattress is thicker and the sheets are fitting more tightly then it could be creating a drum like effect on the mattress.


This mattress is thinner than the Rhapsody Luxe by 2 1/2 inches or more, so the sheets fit well on this mattress.

Next could be the type of mattress protector or a mattress pad you are using. Some are more or less stretchy and conforming than others and some allow more or less heat to go through them and there are many people who notice that changing their mattress protector or mattress pad they are using can make a real difference in the feel of the mattress.


I use a Protect-A-Bed luxury mattress protector with Eucalyptus that you mention here . It is thin and breathable, as far as I know. It is not too tight, as it is 18" deep, which is plenty deep for this mattress. I hope per your guidelines I picked one of the better mattress protectors which should have minimal impact on mattress feel.

The type of cover or quilting in a mattress (or a topper) can also make a difference in how a memory foam layer responds for different people.


The Novosbed website states "Ultra-soft velour microfiber cover."

Upper back or shoulder and neck issues are often connected to a pillow as well and it's not unusual at all for a new mattress to also need a new pillow because of the different way your body sinks in to the mattress and a pillow can be an important part of distributing weight in the upper body and maintaining good alignment.


I have pillows of varying thicknesses and materials that I can try, although I love my new Tempurpedic pillows which I got when I had the Rhapsody Luxe. They are super heavy and dense memory foam. They seem to keep my head and shoulders better aligned. Will do some experimenting if need be.

The type of foundation or boxspring or other support system under the mattress could also make a difference (foam mattresses generally do best with rigid non flexing support underneath them).


I am using the low-profile foundation from the Tempurpedic Rhapsody Luxe set. The Rhapsody Luxe was a heavier mattress, so the Tempurpedic foundation should work.

Next could be the temperature and humidity of your room. As you know memory foam is heat and humidity sensitive and a cooler or cold room or less humidity can make the memory foam firmer.


I keep the temperature around 72 degrees at night. Not certain of humidity level, but the house is air conditioned. I live in a warm climate, not a cold one. I have read of people in cold climates with very firm memory foam beds due to not enough heat, but that shouldn't be a factor. Hopefully my temperature setting is okay.

Next could be the softening of the memory foam itself. Some types of higher quality/density memory foams take longer to go through their initial softening period to "break in" (Tempurpedic is an example of this) and this can take up to 90 days or so. Walking on the mattress (covering the whole surface evenly) can help it to soften and break in a little quicker.


I found the Tempurpedic did change over time, although I liked it on Day 1 and Day 80 as far as the degree of firmness/softness. I have heard of the idea of walking on a mattress, although it wouldn't work well in my home as I have a low ceiling and a high bed.

Thank you for the ideas. I will let you know how it goes.

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