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Deciding on Latex Layer Thickness 29 Aug 2014 07:01 #1

After reading through the tutorial and looking at websites and mattress stores, I've come to the conclusion that the mattress for me is one with a latex comfort layer and foam core.

The issue I'm having is figuring out my own needs. Comfort-wise, I know I like the latex feel, so that's good. But I'm not sure if I actually need to spend any extra for thicker and thicker comfort layers.

To illustrate the point, I'll use the Brooklyn Bedding offers. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what the added value is from a 6" foam core and 3" talalay in the cotton camilla to the 3" blended 8" core in the bamboo bliss. Even more so, what extra would I get 6" blended 7" core in the aloe alexis.

Is it mainly a question of longevity? I've tried out pretty similar latex beds to the cotton camilla and in quick lying down it feels fine. If it's just longevity, I'm not too concerned, especially given that I'll be picking fairly firm and that I'm planning on moving up from a queen to a king in a few years, so this mattress will become a guest mattress at that point. The one thing that does really attract me is the wool layer in the two more expensive mattresses, but that alone isn't enough to justify it for me.

Anyone have any thoughts on the what the value is? If I could have an almost-identical few years sleep on a cotton camilla, I'm not seeing why, for my own needs, I would go pricier.

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Deciding on Latex Layer Thickness 29 Aug 2014 10:48 #2

I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you, but I am interested in exactly the same question. I've basically settled on the same line of mattresses from Brooklyn Bedding after reading many articles / posts here on TMU (and after a predictably poor experience at a local, non-specialty mattress store).

I don't want to be "pennywise and pound foolish" and I do expect to keep my new mattress for a long time. All three of these mattresses (camilla, bamboo, and alexis) are in budget, but I don't really understand the advantages of extra latex layers and if the price increase is justified. Using the same logic in reverse, is it also worth stepping up to a latex support layer instead of foam-over-latex as in this line?

In case some extra info helps... I'm 6', 180lbs. I've slept on a "med-firm" all latex bed from plushbeds and thought it was too firm, and I tried my friend's casper mattress (latex over foam) and thought it didn't provide enough support. My current mattress is traditional (what do you call a normal mattress over a boxspring?) with a 3" 4lb foam topper, which doesn't provide sufficient support.

Thanks in advance for any helpful thoughts (and good luck to OP in finding the right mattress)!

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Deciding on Latex Layer Thickness 29 Aug 2014 12:25 #3

Hi BeanBean,

The issue I'm having is figuring out my own needs. Comfort-wise, I know I like the latex feel, so that's good. But I'm not sure if I actually need to spend any extra for thicker and thicker comfort layers.


This is a very complex question because it is one part of many variables involved in mattress design theory which makes one mattress suitable for one person and not another. Just to give one single example ... if you have a mattress that uses the same type, thickness, and firmness of support core then for some people a 3" latex comfort layer with a particular type and firmness of latex with a particular cover may be a perfect "match" in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) and for someone else they may do best with a thicker or thinner comfort layer or a different firmness level depending on their body type, sleeping style, or preferences. Even changing the type or firmness or thickness of the support core can mean that a different comfort layer (in terms of firmness or thickness) may be necessary for a mattress to be the best possible "match" for a particular person. There are many interacting variables in other words.

In very general terms though ... there is more about the pros and cons of a latex hybrid vs an all latex mattress in post #2 here and more about the Aloe Alexis vs a mattress with less latex in the upper layers in post #2 here that it links to. A mattress with thicker or multiple layers of latex over a polyfoam support core (such as the Aloe Alexis) would be closer "as a whole" to the feel and performance of "all latex" than a mattress that used thinner comfort layers over a polyfoam core. In very general terms ... the more latex there is in the upper layers the more the mattress will have the feel and performance of latex and thinner or softer layers of latex in the top layers will result in more of the feel and performance of the polyfoam support core below it to "come through".

With thinner layers of latex on top of a mattress then the density of the support core would also play a more significant role in the durability and useful life of a mattress and this can be more important with higher weights because heavier body types (or those where weight is more concentrated in one part of the body) will compress the deeper layers more than lighter body types.

The Cotton Camilla uses a lower density support core than either the Bamboo Bliss or the Aloe Alexis so this would be a more important durability factor for those in higher weight ranges. The Aloe Alexis would be more durable yet for higher weights especially because of the extra layer of latex so the layers that are most compressed when you sleep on the mattress would be the latex which is more durable even than higher quality/density polyfoam. Besides being closer to the feel of an all latex mattress ... the extra layer of latex in the Aloe Alexis also provides more options to fine tune the mattress because you would have the option to either rearrange the layers or exchange either one of the layers rather than just one.

There is also more information that compares the Cotton Camilla and the Bamboo Bliss (and the Dreamfoam Eurotop) in post #16 here .

Anyone have any thoughts on the what the value is? If I could have an almost-identical few years sleep on a cotton camilla, I'm not seeing why, for my own needs, I would go pricier.


All the mattresses that are made by the same manufacturer would be in a similar "value" range based on the cost of materials (although higher budget mattresses may have a slightly higher margin) but there is much more involved in assessing the "value" of a mattress purchase than the raw material cost of a mattress, the price per inch of latex, or the cost per pound or yard of fabric or natural fibers. There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can also help you compare the "value" of different mattresses based on the criteria that are most important to you. If in hindsight you would have the same quality of sleep on two different mattresses and they were equally durable then I would agree with you that there would be little benefit to paying more but this can only be known in hindsight and it's much more difficult to predict this without being able to sleep on both mattresses before you buy one of them so when you can't try a mattress in person (or a mattress that is virtually identical) then "best judgement" based on more detailed conversations with a knowledgeable and experienced manufacturer so they can "talk you through" the pros and cons of the options they have available is the best way to decide which mattress would be "best for you" regardless of whether someone else may make the same choice.

@ davidm,

Hopefully this will help with your questions as well :)

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Deciding on Latex Layer Thickness 03 Sep 2014 10:41 #4

Phoenix, as always, thanks for your informative response. I ended up ordering the Alexis Aloe after speaking with someone at Brooklyn Bedding to answer some final questions. It should arrive next week, and I'll write a review (in another thread) once I've had some time with the mattress.

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Deciding on Latex Layer Thickness 03 Sep 2014 13:16 #5

Another question on thickness. I found that I could purchase two 6 inch latex cores--not from BB--, say a firm and a soft for less that the price of a 6 inch core and two 3 inch layers. Would this combination work, or do I have to go with two 3 inch layers to get to a 12 inch mattress?
Thanks.

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Deciding on Latex Layer Thickness 03 Sep 2014 16:43 #6

Hi benson,

Another question on thickness. I found that I could purchase two 6 inch latex cores--not from BB--, say a firm and a soft for less that the price of a 6 inch core and two 3 inch layers. Would this combination work, or do I have to go with two 3 inch layers to get to a 12 inch mattress?


It would depend entirely on whether the two 6" cores were a good match for you in terms of PPP and this would depend on the type of latex and on the firmness level and of course the cover which can also have a significant effect on the feel and performance of a mattress.

There would be very little difference between two 3" layers that were the same type and blend of latex and the same firmness level as a single 6" latex core (see post #2 here ). If any of the layers were a different type of latex or a different firmness level then it would make a difference in terms of PPP.

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Deciding on Latex Layer Thickness 03 Sep 2014 16:46 #7

Hi davidm,

Congratulations on your new mattress :)

As you know I think you made a great choice and I'm looking forward to your feedback when you receive it!

Phoenix
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