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Another Newbie 29 Aug 2014 15:36 #1

Hi!

Yes, I did read through much of the well written information on the main page. I got through everything from "overview" to "types of retailers" before my brain gave up. I am not saying I remember what I read, but I did read through it.

Background, my family always buys cheap mattresses. Cheap meaning if they last 5 years it is surprising. This makes me unhappy. I moved into an apartment with the idea of moving into a different one after a year and so in about 3 weeks I will be moving to the new apartment. Because of this, I have been using an air mattress (on my 2nd replacement right now), hammock, and the carpet for the past 11 months. I am 6'1", male, weigh between 210lb and 185lb (yes it actually varies that much within a single year), and enjoy slightly cooler temperatures. I live in the Cleveland, Ohio area (currently North Roylaton, but will move to Cleveland near Lakewood by the end of Sept). From having tested a handful of name-brand beds a year ago I recall that I very much enjoyed latex beds. Final comment here, yes I did glance through the Recommended people and nothing seemed to be within Ohio and I also stumbled across a post you made suggesting multiple companies for Columbus, Ohio.

List of Questions:
1) Do you have any suggestions for people/places/locations for me to bug in/near the Cleveland, Ohio area?

2) Within www.themattressunderground.com/mattresses/support-cores.html it was stated that "While they are commonly thought of as separate "categories" of mattress, memory foam and to a lesser degree natural fibers, are not suitable or found in the support core of a mattress and more information on these and other more "comfort layer specific" materials can be found in the comfort layers section of our website." Now, I laid on (4) latex Restonic mattresses about an hour ago, each of which had some amount of latex [between 0.5" and 2"(soft)+2"(medium)] on top of 6" of memory foam. Am I misunderstanding the quote I provided, am I misunderstanding what the "core" is, or is the setup of 2" latex on top of 6" foam lacking an actual supportive core and therefore all (4) of these would be considered poor mattresses to purchase?

3) As a very rough rule of thumb, am I correct in remember that side sleepers (like myself) tend to sleep better on 3" of comfort layering? I never sleep all night on my back nor on my side, however once in awhile I take a nap for ~2 hours on my stomach which requires the least comfort which is annoying since the side requires the most...

4) If this is answered elsewhere I apologize for missing it: is a box spring required for a mattress? Is there anything "wrong" with simply buying the mattress and laying it on the carpet with no box spring nor bed stand?

5) Not a question, but the human checking on this website was annoying. I was stuck on the Ford "wave the boot below the hatch" and I successfully did so more than 7 times, each time the ad said "congrats" but I got an error stating that I was not successful. I finally was able to create an account when the Captcha switched to a different ad.

Thank you for making such a wonderfully informative website! I found it in some roundabout method off of reddit.com, someone there made a post highly suggesting this website for mattress information.

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Another Newbie 29 Aug 2014 16:10 #2

Hi cn1ght,

Yes, I did read through much of the well written information on the main page. I got through everything from "overview" to "types of retailers" before my brain gave up. I am not saying I remember what I read, but I did read through it.


Hopefully you were reading the mattress shopping tutorial here and not all the pages on the main site :)

1) Do you have any suggestions for people/places/locations for me to bug in/near the Cleveland, Ohio area?


The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Cleveland/Akron areas (subject to following all the steps in the tutorial post of course) are listed in post #2 here .

Now, I laid on (4) latex Restonic mattresses about an hour ago, each of which had some amount of latex [between 0.5" and 2"(soft)+2"(medium)] on top of 6" of memory foam. Am I misunderstanding the quote I provided, am I misunderstanding what the "core" is, or is the setup of 2" latex on top of 6" foam lacking an actual supportive core and therefore all (4) of these would be considered poor mattresses to purchase?


The support core of a mattress would be the layers that are deeper inside the mattress (say the bottom 6" or so) and are firmer layers that are meant to prevent the heavier parts of the body from sinking down too much. I doubt that the mattresses you tested had 6" of memory foam in the bottom layers (it's not likely that any manufacturer would make a mattress like that) and it's much more likely that you were given incorrect information and that the bottom 6" was polyfoam not memory foam.

3) As a very rough rule of thumb, am I correct in remember that side sleepers (like myself) tend to sleep better on 3" of comfort layering? I never sleep all night on my back nor on my side, however once in awhile I take a nap for ~2 hours on my stomach which requires the least comfort which is annoying since the side requires the most...


It's accurate that side sleepers generally need thicker/softer comfort layers to relieve pressure points but I would avoid thinking in terms of the specific number of inches of a single layer because every layer will affect every other layer to some degree so a mattress with a 2" top layer with a softer layer below it may be closely equivalent to a mattress with a 3" top layer of the same firmness with a firmer layer below it. I would use your actual testing to decide whether a mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). Your question is similar to an earlier one today and my reply in post #2 here would also be worth reading.

4) If this is answered elsewhere I apologize for missing it: is a box spring required for a mattress? Is there anything "wrong" with simply buying the mattress and laying it on the carpet with no box spring nor bed stand?


You can read more about box springs, foundations, platform beds, and other support surfaces that are suitable for different types of mattresses in the foundation post here and the two posts it links to. While the floor would provide a good support surface for any mattresses that needed firm non flexing support (which would include most mattresses with a foam support core) ... you would have a very low sleeping surface which may be uncomfortable getting in and out of bed and there would also be little to no ventilation under the mattress which could increase the risk of dust mites, mold, and mildew (see post #10 here ) and possibly stains on the mattress which would void your warranty.

5) Not a question, but the human checking on this website was annoying. I was stuck on the Ford "wave the boot below the hatch" and I successfully did so more than 7 times, each time the ad said "congrats" but I got an error stating that I was not successful. I finally was able to create an account when the Captcha switched to a different ad.


The Captcha I use is one of those "necessary evils" unfortunately. It's by far the most successful Captcha I've ever used to keep spammers out of the forum and not a single automated spambot has been able to register and spam the forum since I've used it and with other Captchas (which used images with letters in them for the most part) there were some days where a dozen or more automated spammers made it through. I realize it can be frustrating sometimes (although the "game" can be refreshed) and the ads are what support the free software and they can be somewhat annoying as well but overall it's the best I've seen and it solved a significant issue with spam on the forum.

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Another Newbie 29 Aug 2014 19:28 #3

Hopefully you were reading the mattress shopping tutorial here and not all the pages on the main site


Both. I read through most of the main page and I did also read through the link you provided previously.

The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Cleveland/Akron areas (subject to following all the steps in the tutorial post of course) are listed in post #2 here.


Thank you! I was actually at a local mattressmatters as when I was previously poking around I was utterly blown away by how informative the salesman was. He was not simply spouting stories, he was going into details which sounded familiar to some of what you have posted elsewhere. Sadly, I met him a few days before he was being transferred to a different branch so he is no longer there.

The support core of a mattress would be the layers that are deeper inside the mattress (say the bottom 6" or so) and are firmer layers that are meant to prevent the heavier parts of the body from sinking down too much. I doubt that the mattresses you tested had 6" of memory foam in the bottom layers (it's not likely that any manufacturer would make a mattress like that) and it's much more likely that you were given incorrect information and that the bottom 6" was polyfoam not memory foam.


I believe you. I spent a few minutes looking at www.restonic.com/mattresses/healthrest-latex and between this and a quick google search I am finding no actual details about the mattresses (which type of foam etc). Is there a reliable way to find these details?

You can read more about box springs, foundations, platform beds, and other support surfaces that are suitable for different types of mattresses in the foundation post here and the two posts it links to. While the floor would provide a good support surface for any mattresses that needed firm non flexing support (which would include most mattresses with a foam support core) ... you would have a very low sleeping surface which may be uncomfortable getting in and out of bed and there would also be little to no ventilation under the mattress which could increase the risk of dust mites, mold, and mildew (see post #10 here) and possibly stains on the mattress which would void your warranty.


I see. To paraphrase the easiest point you make in the link, if I simply purchase whichever frame and box spring "comes with" the mattress I should have no fears of sagging or potentially voiding a warranty from inadequate support?

The Captcha I use is one of those "necessary evils" unfortunately. It's by far the most successful Captcha I've ever used to keep spammers out of the forum and not a single automated spambot has been able to register and spam the forum since I've used it and with other Captchas (which used images with letters in them for the most part) there were some days where a dozen or more automated spammers made it through. I realize it can be frustrating sometimes (although the "game" can be refreshed) and the ads are what support the free software and they can be somewhat annoying as well but overall it's the best I've seen and it solved a significant issue with spam on the forum.


I am very glad you have found a method to prevent such annoyances. I was unaware of there being a way to refresh the game, the only thing I could do was to refresh the page itself. In terms of the advertisements providing some revenue, I have absolutely nothing against that, if anything I am impressed you are able to provide as much as you are without more ads on the sides and annoying popups.

I suppose I now have to do the hard part of actually testing a bunch of mattresses and shopping around. So much easier to build my own pc, just read a handful of reviews, purchase parts with similar standardized technical details which are easy to find, make it all fit together, and bam done. I was actually hoping to get this finished by the end of the weekend as there are probably better deals giong on this weekend than I will find in the next few weeks.

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Another Newbie 29 Aug 2014 21:30 #4

Hi cn1ght,

Thank you! I was actually at a local mattressmatters as when I was previously poking around I was utterly blown away by how informative the salesman was. He was not simply spouting stories, he was going into details which sounded familiar to some of what you have posted elsewhere. Sadly, I met him a few days before he was being transferred to a different branch so he is no longer there.


One of the reasons for just reading the tutorial "like you would a good book" vs "studying it like you would a textbook" is that when you are dealing with a salesperson that is knowledgeable what they tell you will "sound familiar" and when you are dealing with a salesperson that is trying to "sell you" whatever they can convince you to buy ... there will be warning flags that go up because it doesn't sound "right". This is especially true if they try to get you to purchase with all kinds of "enticements" or "deals" before you leave the store.

I believe you. I spent a few minutes looking at www.restonic.com/mattresses/healthrest-latex and between this and a quick google search I am finding no actual details about the mattresses (which type of foam etc). Is there a reliable way to find these details?


There are many models of Healthrest Mattresses that use either memory foam, gel memory foam, or latex in the comfort layers (the upper layers of the mattress) but none of them have memory foam in the support core. They all use either polyfoam or latex for support. Restonic is a licensee group which means that there are many privately owned factories that are licensed to produce Restonic mattresses for a specific region but the mattresses that each factory makes may only be available in the area that they service because different licensees may have different designs under a common model lineup (such as Healthrest). A good retailer should be able to provide you with the information you need about what is inside any specific mattress they carry that you are interested in either from the spec sheets they already have or with a phone call to the factory.

I see. To paraphrase the easiest point you make in the link, if I simply purchase whichever frame and box spring "comes with" the mattress I should have no fears of sagging or potentially voiding a warranty from inadequate support?


If you purchase a matching foundation then you certainly wouldn't void the warranty. In some cases there may be better choices than the foundation that comes with a mattress (for example some retailers won't sell the matching foundations that are made by Pure Latex Bliss because they aren't very good quality) but the matching set would normally be a "safe" choice.

I am very glad you have found a method to prevent such annoyances. I was unaware of there being a way to refresh the game, the only thing I could do was to refresh the page itself. In terms of the advertisements providing some revenue, I have absolutely nothing against that, if anything I am impressed you are able to provide as much as you are without more ads on the sides and annoying popups.


If you are logged out and click on the "create an account" link and look at the Captcha you will see a counterclockwise circle on the bottom right of the Captcha screen. If you click it then it will give you a new "game" to play.

Just to be clear as well ... the ad revenue goes to Are You A Human which they use to support their software development because the software itself is free for websites to use. Having said that your post reminded me that they did start some kind of revenue sharing program ... going to check to see if I've earned anything ...

... back from checking and Since August of 2013 last year I've earned $51 of which $19 is available for payment. Apparently you need to reach $200 before they pay anything so it shouldn't take more than a few more years at this rate :)

I suppose I now have to do the hard part of actually testing a bunch of mattresses and shopping around. So much easier to build my own pc, just read a handful of reviews, purchase parts with similar standardized technical details which are easy to find, make it all fit together, and bam done. I was actually hoping to get this finished by the end of the weekend as there are probably better deals giong on this weekend than I will find in the next few weeks.


I wouldn't worry too much about labor day sales or any of the other "fake sales" that are so common in the industry. Good retailers and manufacturers will have good value available every day of the year and if they do have a legitimate sale it will be for a much smaller and more reasonable discount off of regular and legitimate pricing that is already much better than "fake sale" prices (see post #5 here ). When you get a sense of "urgency" I would treat it as a red flag (see guideline #5 here ).

Computers and mattresses share one thing in common which is that the specifics of what's inside them is a big part of their quality and value.

Good luck in your search and I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding and of course any comments or questions you may have along the way.

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Another Newbie 29 Aug 2014 22:30 #5

A good retailer should be able to provide you with the information you need about what is inside any specific mattress they carry that you are interested in either from the spec sheets they already have or with a phone call to the factory.


I was not trying to find a source of information about the insides of a mattress for that particular mattress, although I do appreciate your feedback on it. I am still trying to treat mattresses the way I treated buying a car or computer parts: I want to be able to actually look at the specifications of what it is so that I can compare it on paper. From your answer I am going to infer that there is not an easy way to do this and I need to either try to get a salesman to hand me a technical pamphlet of some sort or call up the manufacturer and ask about the details one question at a time... I hate dealing with phones.

... back from checking and Since August of 2013 last year I've earned $51 of which $19 is available for payment. Apparently you need to reach $200 before they pay anything so it shouldn't take more than a few more years at this rate


Aww. I think I recall that for retailers or manufacturers you charge a $200 fee, and I see you have a paypal donations thing. I feel badly that you are doing this practically for free now.

Through one of the links you provided I was led to (2) videos by "beducation". I think I actually saw a video or two from him almost a year ago when I was previously looking for a mattress... Anyway, I can understand and agree with what he says. However, it does annoy me when people say "Well, it is the consumer's job to be educated on these matters" as he stated in the first of the 2 linked videos. OH c'mon, what a sorry excuse that is. There are not enough hours in the day to be educated about how to buy a mattress, how to buy a car, how to invest in the stock market, how to get good cloths, how to do better at work, how to socialize with people, how to know which foods are most healthy, keep up with news, and the hundreds or thousands of other things which it is our "job" to do. He also readily admitted that the manufacturers go out of their way to make it difficult!

Anyway, 2 additional questions for you if you would continue to be so kind :)

1) If I find a mattress which I like at a brick and mortar store, how difficult is it to be able to find a comparable mattress online? Why online? I find it extremely likely that I can find a better price (maybe even one of the recommended companies you list) or I believe one of the threads on this forum the guy found a $1,800 mattress on amazon for $600. I ask because it is apparently difficult to find actual specs on the mattress in the first place so being able to match specs of a mattress (which I may have only gotten by calling the manufacturer directly) when the specs of other mattress are not readily available sounds time consuming the say the least.

2) How bad of an idea might it be to simply purchase a cheap, plain, and firm spring mattress and buy a latex or memory foam topper for it to act as the comfort layer?

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Another Newbie 30 Aug 2014 00:02 #6

Hi cn1ght,

From your answer I am going to infer that there is not an easy way to do this and I need to either try to get a salesman to hand me a technical pamphlet of some sort or call up the manufacturer and ask about the details one question at a time


While many online manufacturers or retailers have more details about their mattress specs on their site ... it's quite rare that a mainstream manufacturer or retailer will have this information on their site and in many cases they won't even be able to provide it if you ask. Better retailers and manufacturers that are more knowledgeable and transparent will provide it to their customers that are informed enough to know to ask for foam quality specs (which is very uncommon) but in many cases the members here that have spent more than an hour or two on this site will have more meaningful knowledge about mattress materials than most of the salespeople who sell mattresses and if you start asking these types of questions in most mainstream stores you will see a lot of "eyes rolling" or some mumbling followed either by "reasons" why you really don't need to know the quality of the materials in a mattress or excuses that they have something else they need to do.

Aww. I think I recall that for retailers or manufacturers you charge a $200 fee, and I see you have a paypal donations thing. I feel badly that you are doing this practically for free now.


I hope you realize that my comments about the Captcha were meant as humor and I certainly wouldn't feel too badly for me! While it took a couple of years of struggling and the support of family members who believed that it would succeed to get there ... the business plan I put together when I first started the site is now supporting my family ... although it's been 16 hours a day for over 3 1/2 years without a day off yet so the next step is implementing the last part of my original 5 year plan which will help me have more "normal" hours. :)

Just for clarity as well ... the referral fees from the business members are the main source of income for the site ... not the membership fees or the donations.

Well, it is the consumer's job to be educated on these matters


He and I share the same thoughts about this. In todays mainstream mattress industry, if a consumer isn't well informed (or at least knows enough to find a knowledgeable and experienced retailer that already knows what they would otherwise have to learn and has their legitimate best interests at heart) then the odds are very high that they will make a relatively poor quality/value choice. Who you choose to deal with can be one of the most important parts of a successful mattress purchase.

1) If I find a mattress which I like at a brick and mortar store, how difficult is it to be able to find a comparable mattress online?


There are some online memory foam manufacturers that sell mattresses that are close equivalents to some of the major brand memory foam mattresses (mostly Tempurpedic) and there are some online latex mattresses that are reasonably close equivalents to some local latex mattresses as well. In most cases though ... unless an online mattress has the same materials and components and the same design (layer firmness, thickness, equivalent cover etc) as a local mattress ... then your local testing can be a useful reference point that along with the other information they would need from you (body type, sleeping positions, preferences etc) can be part of a more detailed conversation with an online manufacturer or retailer to help you make a suitable choice but outside of the few exceptions it's unlikely that you would find something online that was the same as a local mattress. There is more about the different ways that one mattress can match another one in post #9 here .

2) How bad of an idea might it be to simply purchase a cheap, plain, and firm spring mattress and buy a latex or memory foam topper for it to act as the comfort layer?


You can see my comments about this in post #2 here . Unless you can test the specific combination in person ... it certainly wouldn't be my first choice.

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Another Newbie 30 Aug 2014 19:06 #7

Hello again, I hope you are not yet tired of my bugging you.

So I spent over 7 hours today either driving to mattress stores suggested by you in the Cleveland area or testing mattresses at said stores. I would say maybe 50%, maybe less, were latex the rest were a mixture of coil and/or memory foam. I know I like a mattress from Restonic, the problem is that which one depends on which store I am testing it at... I did go to more than 7 stores in total today, however I am going to focus on the ones which I am most interested in. I tested the Restonic at (3) Mattressmatters locations, North Royalton, Mentor, and (I think) Cleveland. At all of the locations there were 4 Restonics:

$1429 1/2" medium latex +poly foam
$1599 2" medium latex + poly foam
$2299 2" soft latex + 6" latex ("Bliss Plush")
$2699 2" med + 2" soft latex + 6" latex

In order of when I visited, at the North Royalton location I loved the $1599, at the Mentor one I liked none of them, at the Cleveland one I liked the $2299 one, which is the only one I wrote down the name of sadly. The only thing I can think of is that maybe at the North Royalton location the $1599 was more broken in as the Cleveland location said they recently changed that mattress. Then at the Cleveland location they are going to sell the floor model for $1379 (instead of the normal $2299) so it must be well broken in. Is it possible that the there was that much of a difference between the latex after being used for some time versus new that I liked or disliked solely based on this? Or maybe I am just terrible at comparing things? The other option is that I have been using an air mattress for the past 11 months, MAYBE I am so used to a mattress which lacks any comforting layer so that at the Cleveland location the more firm $1599 felt better as I am more used to it whereas after testing for 7 hours my body became more used to an actual mattress so I enjoyed the less firm $2299? I can tell you that with the $1599 model at the Cleveland location it was either too firm or not enough of a cradle for me. I cannot tell you which of the two, but I can tell you it was one of those at least.

Next up, I am tempted to buy the "Bliss Plush" floor model for $1379 as I did enjoy it at the Cleveland location. My fears are that I was told due to it being a floormodel there is no trial period, I am stuck with it after purchase. The salesperson was also not entirely sure if I would have a warranty or not. Another big concern is that I was allowed to lay on it undisturbed for 30 minutes. While it was very comfortable and there were no pressure points I was utterly unable to sleep. Maybe I just was not sleepy, maybe the lights, maybe the knowledge that I was in a public area I do not know, but it concerns me that I was unable to sleep combined with the knowledge that if I really cannot sleep on it I cannot exchange it. I can buy the unused model at $2119 (some sort of discounts or whatever), but knowing that I am paying almost $800 more for an identical mattress "just" for the peace of mind of knowing I can return it if I need to seems a bit steep.

Do you have any other recommendations about Restonic or my search in general? Maybe other company models which I should try to zoom in on and test, maybe comparable models from other companies? I know you know a lot more than I know (and more than I want to know I am sure), I am just trying to find out what you are thinking at this point. Maybe, for another example, there is some other method of finding Restonic mattress prices and I am actually still overpaying for these, or maybe Restonic in general should have gone with a name like Sleeptonic so that it begins with an "S" and it should be avoided...

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Another Newbie 30 Aug 2014 19:09 #8

I apologize, there is no MattressMatters in North Royalton. When I typed "North Royalton" I meant "Strongsville". The 2 cities are right next to each other and I continually mix the 2 up.

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Another Newbie 30 Aug 2014 20:32 #9

Hi cn1ght,

There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you compare mattresses. As you can see ... which one is the best "match" for you in terms of PPP is the most important part of the value of a mattress and for this part you are the only one that can decide this because nobody else can feel what you feel on a mattress (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ). If you aren't confident with your choice then the return or exchange policies (and the other options you can exchange for) may become a more important factor in your choice.

Outside of testing each mattress for PPP though ... I would confirm the specifics of all the layers in each mattress you are considering (see this article ). This will help you make sure there are no weak links in any of the mattresses and knowing the specifics of all the materials (including the type and blend of any latex) will also help you make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses. You are also welcome to list the layers on the forum (either top to bottom or bottom to top) and I'd be happy to make some comments about the quality of the materials as well.

The only thing I can think of is that maybe at the North Royalton location the $1599 was more broken in as the Cleveland location said they recently changed that mattress.


They may also be different mattresses but it's also not unusual that if you spend a great deal of time testing mattresses everything can begin to blur together. Most people have had the experience of testing mattresses say in the morning and then testing mattresses somewhere else and then going back to test the first mattresses again and they feel different from what you remember because your frame of reference has changed.

Then at the Cleveland location they are going to sell the floor model for $1379 (instead of the normal $2299) so it must be well broken in. Is it possible that the there was that much of a difference between the latex after being used for some time versus new that I liked or disliked solely based on this?


There would normally be "some" difference between a brand new mattress and a mattress that has broken in where the cover has stretched and lost any initial stiffness and the foam layers have lost any of their initial "false firmness" but it's likely that all of the mattresses you tested were broken in from testing as well. You could always ask them how long it's been on the floor.

Next up, I am tempted to buy the "Bliss Plush" floor model for $1379 as I did enjoy it at the Cleveland location. My fears are that I was told due to it being a floormodel there is no trial period, I am stuck with it after purchase. The salesperson was also not entirely sure if I would have a warranty or not.


A floor model is generally a "final purchase" and there would generally be no warranty as well so I would make sure you were comfortable with this because no matter what the cost or quality of a mattress... if you can't sleep well on it and you have no options available to you to exchange or fine tune it then it would have little value to you. I would keep in mind that if a mattress is a little too firm then you can always add some additional softness with a topper but there are no effective ways to make a mattress that is too soft any firmer without removing or replacing layers.

Do you have any other recommendations about Restonic or my search in general? Maybe other company models which I should try to zoom in on and test, maybe comparable models from other companies?


My "best" suggestions outside of the comments here would be to follow all the steps in the tutorial post and use the testing guidelines to test mattresses as carefully as you can. I would also narrow down your choices at each store to one so you have a finalist at each one.

One you have a finalist at each store that you are confident is a suitable choice in terms of PPP and has no weak links in the materials ... then you will be down to final choices (see post #2 here ) between good and good and which of them would be best for you would depend on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

You also have some other good options besides Restonic in the area and I would also consider some of your other options besides just Restonic so you have a chance to test some different mattresses. The only way to know if one mattress is comparable for you in terms of PPP (it may not feel comparable to someone else because this is somewhat subjective) would be based on your own testing and knowing the materials inside them would help you compare them in terms of the materials and durability.

I would also make some preliminary phone calls to the stores you plan to visit to tell them about the types of mattresses you are interested in testing, to find out what types of mattresses they carry on their floor, and to get some sense of their knowledge and customer service as well.

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Another Newbie 31 Aug 2014 14:11 #10

To continue the saga I will give a list of which locations I have visited (and either kept a business card or wrote down something in my notebook something). Below is in no way my recommendation for which stores are "best" only which ones stood out with a product/service.

Saturday
Taylor's Furniture
601 Pearl Road
Brunswick, Ohio

There are 2 buildings, one for mattresses and beds the other for chairs etc. I was allowed to test the beds without any sales people near me. The only bed which I took note of was a Queen size latex bed for $1499, it was not exactly what I want; I would tyr to describe it as being too "on" and not enough "in".

Metrohome/Sleep source (I believe they are the same company?)
5100 Pearl Road
Cleveland, Ohio

The sales person was extremely friendly, not at all pushy, and I was told that due to the neighborhood there were not enough sales of latex mattresses. However, they had a 20X larger building over in Mentor about 30 minutes away which had 15 latex mattresses... See below.

Metrohome
7835 Mentor Ave
Mentor, Ohio

Salesperson was pushy, continually made false claims such as "This mattress has a bamboo topping" me "No it does not." "Yes it does look at the tag.... it has a good quality (insert not bamboo material) topping." The mattress I was trying to be sold was by "Natures spa" price tag $3599, marked down to $2499, floor model $1299. I was told at a nearby store that the "regular" price is actually $1699 for that mattress. Anyway, the mattress did not feel quite right, maybe it was too soft or too much cushioning which was adding too much pressure to my lumbar, I do not know, but the mattress was not exactly what I want.

Original Mattress Factory
4930 Lorain Road
Cleveland, Ohio

The sales person was extremely friendly and there are little cutout examples of most of the mattresses so you can see what is inside of the mattress you are testing. However, I walked in a little before 5 and within 5 minutes half the salesmen were leaving... I did not notice that they closed at 5 so I very quickly jumped onto the last beds, I apologized multiple times for not knowing and left quickly. There were 2 mattresses which were good for me: Serenity Latex $1,905.12 and Orthopedic Super Pillow Top $1,084.32. The latex is not worth that price in my probably poorly informed opinion, and I am not overly interested in a pillow top.

MattressMatters
17100 Royalton Rd
Strongsville, OH 44136

The salesman probably would have been helpful if I asked. I walked in, told him I wanted to just test them out so he sat behind the desk for most of it letting me roam freely. He did explain how the store was setup (which were springs versus foam versus hybrid) and he did point out which type of springs were used (pocket) in the ones directly behind him. I assume he knew much more but he was trying to not be pushy so he came off as a bit too careless. As mentioned in a previous post there were (4) latex mattress all made by Restonic which I tested. I did test other mattresses, but none of the other ones suited me as well.

MattressMatters
7525 Mentor Ave
Mentor, OH 44060

Salesperson was EXTREMELY knowledgeable I would state without any hesitation. If I am not mistaken he and I spent well over an hour talking about and trying beds. There was some form of testing setup where the machine plays some advertisement and measures how soft/hard of a mattress best suits your body. It was interesting, and I was correct as to how soft/hard I should sleep on. I would VERY strongly without any hesitation recommend this particular store to anyone in the area even though there were no mattresses which suited me.

MattressMatters
5712 Brookpark Rd Cleveland, OH 44129

I had met the salesperson 1 year ago. She is very friendly, not pushy, although I am not certain how much she knows about mattresses. She was able to answer any questions I had.

Mattress Warehouse
7741 Mentor Ave
Mentor, OH 44060

The salesperson was straightforward, seemed to know a lot, although I believe he did lie at least once. He said that I would not find any 100% latex mattresses for under $5k, which I am almost positive that I have seem multiple which were all under $3k. While not pushy, he did make a good suggestion for a latex-like mattress: Dormeo Octaspring. He had a little sample of it and supposedly it uses memory foam in the form of sponges/springs which allows it to feel more like latex while still being memory foam? While it would not be a bad purchase, I preferred the feel of other latex mattresses.

Sunday
Basista
5295 State Road
Parma, Ohio

The salesperson was very hands-off, I was led to the areas with mattresses to try and left alone to try them. One of the 2 mattresses I was interested in the salesperson had "never tried" so could not tell me much about it. More about this later.

Mattress Warehouse
I do not have any written down address for this location.

I was told that there were no latex mattresses in that particular store. However, there were 2 other locations which each did have the same Dormeo mattresses which I had already tested at another location. I was given the address of one of the other mattress warehouse locations. When I got to the address I was at a mall and there were zero mattress warehouses which I or my GPS could find.

Levins
No location written down, but this is probably true of all of them.

I walked in, walked through, saw nothing of interest and walked out.

To summarize
-Taylor's Furniture: was very hands off, I have no idea if anyone knew anything as I did not bother to ask any questions.
-MattressMatters: all 3 were great, the worst which could only be said of only 1 of them was that since there was only 1 salesperson he was not very hands on, the other 2 were both great.
-Metrohome/Sleep Source: the first had a very friendly salesperson who either was misinformed or lied about the second location, the second location was very pushy about the product and made several patently untrue statements.
-Original Mattress Factory: very friendly, great visuals to see what is inside of the mattresses, willing to stay late when you stumble in near the closing time...
-Mattress Warehouse: First location seemed knowledgeable, made worthwhile suggestion for non-latex. Second had no floormodel to test and gave me either the wrong address or needed to mention WHERE at that location the store was.
-Levins: even at 50% off the prices were still quite high. Not worth the drive to get me there BUT I did get a free hotdog out of t.

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