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Berkeley ergonomics question 25 Oct 2014 15:11 #1

Hi,

I recently purchased S&F Lux Estate Luxury Firm mattress which turned out to be too soft and uncomfortable.

I am looking to return it and came across this forum, which btw is amazing source of information.
Equipped with new knowledge I went to look at http://scottjordan.com/alpine-1/

The mattress is great but can not find it on the Berkeley ergonomics site. the site has 3 models that match.

Does anyone know what scottjordan sells?
I found similar mattress at UrbanNatural . Is this the same mattress?

Also, can anyone comment on the quality of the mattress?


Thank you.

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Berkeley ergonomics question 25 Oct 2014 15:55 #2

Hi DeRiBas,

Different BE retailers may have different names for the same mattress but I believe that both the Alpine/Oslo (I believe this should be the Alpine but they list both names) at Scott Jordan and the Madison Interactive at Urban Natural would be the same as the Interactive on the Berkeley Ergonomics site. Other BE stores may use other names yet. You can match their mattresses based on the specifics of the components inside them.

Having said that ... there are different firmness options available for the same mattress so one may still be different from the other depending on the components and layers in the specific mattress you are testing.

Also, can anyone comment on the quality of the mattress?


All the BE mattresses use high quality and durable materials and components (European pocket coil systems, microcoils, 100% natural Talalay latex, and organic zip cotton covers quilted with organic wool) and there are no low quaility materials or weak links in any of them.

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Berkeley ergonomics question 25 Oct 2014 17:24 #3

Thank you for the reply.

Given your breadth of knowledge, can you suggest mattresses similar to BE and stores in NYC or 07302 area?

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Berkeley ergonomics question 25 Oct 2014 17:42 #4

Hi DeRiBas,

Given your breadth of knowledge, can you suggest mattresses similar to BE and stores in NYC or 07302 area?


Each mattress will have a unique combination of materials and components and even small differences between mattresses can have a surprising effect on how it feels and performs in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) so the only way to know which one may feel similar to you (regardless of whether it would feel similar to someone else because this type of comparison would be subjective) would be based on your own testing or personal experience.

The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the New York City area (subject to the guidelines here ) are listed in post #2 here . I don't know the specific mattresses that each of them carry on their showroom floor (that would be more than anyone could keep up with for the hundreds of forum lists across the country in a constantly changing market) but if you are specifically interested in an innerspring/latex hybrid then you can check their websites or call them to see if they have any of this general type of mattress in their showroom before you pay them a visit.

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Berkeley ergonomics question 25 Oct 2014 18:43 #5

I already looked at keetsa and plan to visit RoomAndBoard tomorrow.
DO you happened to know who builds RaB mattresses?

This mattress looks has very close specs to BE.

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Berkeley ergonomics question 25 Oct 2014 19:11 #6

Hi DeRiBas,

DO you happened to know who builds RaB mattresses?


They are built by Restwell Mattress Factory but they are their own design.

This mattress looks has very close specs to BE.


They are in a similar category (pocket coil/latex hybrid) but they have a different design. They use a different coil system and the latex is Dunlop not Talalay so the mattress would most likely feel and perform quite differently from the BE. Every mattress category will have a wide range of firmness levels and different components and mattress designs that can be very different from each other even though the materials may be similar.

Also, is UrbanNatural member of this site? i did not see them under membership list.


No ... not yet. The membership list is here . I've talked with Ali and he is certainly knowledgeable and helpful and carries good quality mattresses but they are a little too new in business to add to the membership list for just a little bit yet. Having said that ... he did offer to provide a 5% discount to the members here. ADDED: They are now a member of the site as well.

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Berkeley ergonomics question 25 Oct 2014 20:06 #7

That is great. I shall call them tomorrow
Unfortunately sales rep at SJ was not very knowledgeable and prices he estimated are completely off base compared to Urban Natural.

Can you explain the role hight of the mattress plays in the support, comfort or longitivtiy?

The BE Interactive mattress seems to be about 8".
I am 6 2" 200lb and want to make sure that mattress will feel the same after it settles.


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Berkeley ergonomics question 25 Oct 2014 20:35 #8

Hi DeRiBas,

Unfortunately sales rep at SJ was not very knowledgeable and prices he estimated are completely off base compared to Urban Natural.


I'm not sure who you were talking with there and that's unfortunate but Scott is very knowledgeable and it may be worthwhile asking to talk with him instead to make sure that the information you are receiving is accurate. They may have been providing information about a different mattress.

Can you explain the role hight of the mattress plays in the support, comfort or longitivtiy?


The height of a mattress has little meaning in terms of support, comfort, or durability because all of these depend on the specifics of the materials and components inside it much more than the height and the height of a mattress is more of a side effect of the design goal and components in the mattress than a spec that has meaning by itself. Having said that ... in a more "apples to apples" comparison between two mattresses where the layers and components are otherwise the same ... thicker mattresses can have a greater and more gradual range of compression between softer and firmer as you compress them more deeply which can sometimes be helpful for the mattress to adapt different sleeping positions or for those that are in higher weight ranges so that the mattress doesn't become too firm too quickly or "feel" like it's bottoming out (see post #14 here ).

I would add a STRONG caution here though not to let height influence you in your decision because this would only be relevant if you were comparing mattresses with the same layers and components (such as 6" of latex to 10" of latex that is the same type and blend and firmness) which isn't the case here so I would use careful testing to decide which mattress is the best match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) rather than a much less significant or meaningful spec such as the height of the mattress. The durability of a mattress also depends on the type and quality of the materials inside it ... not the height (see post #4 here ).

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Berkeley ergonomics question 27 Oct 2014 19:12 #9

Phenix,


Thank you for the referral. I went to Urban Natural and spoke to Ali.
He is a very nice and knowledgeable person that helped me choose BE mattress.

I purchased F/F BE Interactive and he honored 5% discount for forum members. :)

Do you think I need to buy the flexible slate system as well?

At present i have regular slate bed and was told that the flexible slate system may provide additional support but is not required.

Thank you.

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Berkeley ergonomics question 27 Oct 2014 19:51 #10

Hi DeRiBas,

Congratulations on your new mattress ... you certainly made a good choice :)

Do you think I need to buy the flexible slate system as well?


You can see my comments about a flexible slat system in post #2 here . If your testing indicates that it's a better match for you in terms of PPP than a solid non flexing foundation then it would certainly be worthwhile but if it doesn't make a meaningful difference for you then it probably wouldn't.

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