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After a lot of reading stil have questions. 07 Jan 2015 15:21 #1

Hello ,

i have discovered this site 3 days ago and i cannot stop reading articles all day here , not just because i am looking for the best matress possible (like everyone i suppose), but i like the technical scientifical approach taken here. That beiing said , i would like to ask for your patience for my english since I live in Quebec and don't use it as often as i would like.

Allright now after reading hundreds of posts, i have quickly cancelled my order of the lucid all foam mattress from amazon when i realized that none of the material were indicated in full détail. I currently have a single postuperdic sealy (5 years ) old , i always found it kind of firm since i mostly sleep on my side ( 5ft 10 -175 pounds). After analysing a bunch of foam matrresses from icomfort to dreamfoam , and quebec retailers I decide it that i would be better off with simply latex (for better price- quality)

I narrowed down my choices like many other on this forum fairly similarly :

1- www.mattresses.net/twin-naturalux-latex-set.html
its a twin natural latex with 2 inch of latex talalay 100 pour-cent naturel.
im leaning for soft with maybe an extra inch for a total of 3 (not sure about this however if it will effect the experience dramaticelly)
as for the base i think i will sélect it médium or firm , they are givign the LLD but im not sure what combination is better soft-medium, soft firm, why not soft soft?

the set with the wooden base is at 850

2- I eliminated the dreamfoam latex line since there base is now at 1.5 lbs-cu wich is a down side for durability and a risk

3- Sleep Ez has some good matresses but i dont want to have multiple layera and i feel martress net offers the same materials for cheaper without too much custimization. A similar set in Sleep Ez than choice number 1 would be around 1100.

4- If I want to save even more since im kind of on a budget i am considering
Eco Sleep Mattress With A Superior Bamboo Cover

with www.mattresses.net/eco-sleep-promotional-latex-mattress-w-bamboo-cover.html

so basicelly im leaning toward choices 1-4 not sure about the topper 2 inch vs 3 inch..
not sure about the layers i sleep on my side so im guessing soft-medium
also not sure if an 8 inch mattress is has a good durability
my sealy has now almost 10 years and its not the most comfortable thing but it has good durability.

I want to make the right choice at the right price , ordering online is kind of risky but i want to sears , and retailers here and i wasent blown away by anything so figured i would just go for the best materials possible, Will probably get the 8 inch latex at number 1 or 10 in a few weeks or days.

if anyone can let me know if im making a good choice or if I should look elswhere aswell , tanks

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After a lot of reading stil have questions. 07 Jan 2015 19:05 #2

Hi KrazyPanda,

as for the base i think i will sélect it médium or firm , they are givign the LLD but im not sure what combination is better soft-medium, soft firm, why not soft soft?

so basicelly im leaning toward choices 1-4 not sure about the topper 2 inch vs 3 inch..
not sure about the layers i sleep on my side so im guessing soft-medium


Unfortunately you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved to be able to predict with any certainty which combination of layers will be the best match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance". When you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer (such as Mattresses.net) who can help "talk you through" the options they have available based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done (assuming you know the firmness of all the layers in the mattresses you have tested which may not always be possible to find out), and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

There is also more about the different ways to choose a mattress (online or locally) and how to minimize the risks involved in each of them in post #2 here .

There is also more about some of the differences between a latex/polyfoam hybrid and an all latex mattress in post #2 here .

also not sure if an 8 inch mattress is has a good durability


The thickness of a mattress has very little to do with its durability since durability depends on the construction of the mattress and the type and quality of the materials inside it. There is more about the many variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to different people in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

Neither of the two mattresses you are considering would have any weak links in their design.

I want to make the right choice at the right price , ordering online is kind of risky but i want to sears , and retailers here and i wasent blown away by anything so figured i would just go for the best materials possible, Will probably get the 8 inch latex at number 1 or 10 in a few weeks or days.


There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses.

When you are down to finalists that have eliminated all your less desirable choices (either in terms of suitability, durability, or value) and you are down to choices that are between "good and good" and there are no clear winners between them then you are in the fortunate position that any one of them would probably be a good choice for you and your final choice (see post #2 here ) will really come down to "best judgement" based on all the objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

if anyone can let me know if im making a good choice or if I should look elswhere aswell , tanks


As you know I think very highly of Arizona Premium and they are a member of the site which means that I believe they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency.

Only you can decide whether you wish to include any other options in your research or if you are satisfied with the options you have already considered but if you do decide to look at others then the tutorial post includes several links to lists of the better online options I'm aware of (in the optional online step) and post #276 here also includes a list of the factory direct manufacturers I'm aware of in Quebec as well.

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After a lot of reading stil have questions. 08 Jan 2015 08:33 #3

thanks these were interesting reads. SO im guessing that based on the proper layer construction wich is either progressive (soft-mid-firm) or opposite soft -firm , there would be a different effect on the user. I was considering aswell just buying any Eurotop Sealy and adding a 2 inch latex all natural i found here:
canada.foambymail.com/LTX_T/talalay-latex-foam-topper.html

It would not respect the step 3 in the rules of looking for a new mattress, and actually i would put a soft 22 LLD topper latex talalay on a plus eurotop so SOfT on SOft layer..wich im not sure if it would be a waste of money ...

Otherwise im reading a lot on the Casper its not a true latex option but maybe with the all natural latex toper 2 inch i would get a similar result.

Its hard to try these configurations in the stores since they only have big brand names...wich is why im asking a lot of questions.

still very confused but maybe ill read more infos on the site before making a final décision, thx for the help

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After a lot of reading stil have questions. 08 Jan 2015 10:10 #4

Hi KrazyPanda,

SO im guessing that based on the proper layer construction wich is either progressive (soft-mid-firm) or opposite soft -firm , there would be a different effect on the user.


Every layer in a mattress will have some effect on every other layer and the mattress as a whole. I would also keep in mind that there is no "proper" layering construction ... there is only a layering and construction that is "best for you" in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressuere relief, and Personal preferences) regardless of whether it is a progressive construction or a more simple differential construction or any other type of design.

I was considering aswell just buying any Eurotop Sealy and adding a 2 inch latex all natural i found here:
canada.foambymail.com/LTX_T/talalay-latex-foam-topper.html


I certainly wouldn't consider a Sealy mattress (see the guidelines here ) and I also would tend to avoid buying a mattress with the intent of adding a topper unless you can test the specific mattress/topper combination in person to make sure that it's a good match for you in terms of PPP (see post #2 here ).

I would also read this post and this post and this topic (about their polyfoam and sources) and this post (presumably from a past employee) before buying anything from FBM or considering them as a reliable supplier. They don't sell Talalay latex ... they only say they do.

Phoenix
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After a lot of reading stil have questions. 08 Jan 2015 18:57 #5

I found this

everything seems legit i will buy that cut it with sizer for a full bed

www.cgmattress.com/pd.6101/1019/2-talalay-latex-topper-19-ild

is this a scam too?

if not its an amazing price !!! all tallalay

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After a lot of reading stil have questions. 08 Jan 2015 20:10 #6

Hi KrazyPanda,

everything seems legit i will buy that cut it with sizer for a full bed

www.cgmattress.com/pd.6101/1019/2-talalay-latex-topper-19-ild

is this a scam too?

if not its an amazing price !!! all tallalay


It certainly seem legit to me and would be a good price for a blended Talalay topper if it's the full cal king and not just half of a split. If this is the Talalay GL fast response then it would be 15 ILD but the difference is fairly small. PLB discontinued their 2" toppers so this is probably the reason they are clearing them out. It's listed as a split cal king so I would make sure that it includes both halves of a cal king not just one half.

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After a lot of reading stil have questions. 08 Jan 2015 22:44 #7

allright i will get one than i think it is only half , I emailed them and made an offer (cause u can counteroffer there deal on prices)
so the set up i went with is actually not recommended here on this site but i figures for 400 dollar plus 200 dollar topper its the best i can do..

its a kingdown mattress
wich has 0.5 latex posturized (no idea what this but worst case its synthetic)
on top of 3 convulated foam comfort
i dont think they are weak links but i wanted t a minimal set up on top of pocket colis compared to the 4-5-6 layers from other brands that people seem to love gel over latex- over memory etc....i went with a basic set up and hophelly my topper upgrade will do magic..? I think it will be a good combo since adding soft on firm is widely popular and multiple good choice mattresses do so on this site ...comfort is for me the softest part , support the hardest.

I will add therefore a 19 ild or 22 ild latex wich will make a 2.5 blend synthetic latex on the foam wich should be enough for a good set im hoping if it dosent work i might change all of this but i really didnt want to pay around 1000 and couldnt find a dealer in the us that wouldnt charge shipping, in canada u can get a mattress with some good latex i think in ikea but its at 1000 without the foundation ...so i made a 600 close to good quality i suppose if it dosent work well i have 365 exchange ill just bring my topper to the store lol and try everything out. The reason i did this is I saw from multiple companys including dreamfoam hybrids were they bascielly put latex on pocket colis and people like it so i figured this bed (kingsdown ) as pocket coils aswell and a small 3 inch foam convulated of whatever (its just there for a inbetween absorption layer so figure it is less firm than the support and on top a médium -firm latex only .5 so like i said in theory adding in 2.0 inch latex topper will make it very close to the hybrids latex pocket colis that are recommanded on some posts...anyways will see if its true the 13th...



ts kind of a trial and error thing and i dont know precisely how the combination of material will add up but i think that adding latex on latex will only be a good thing since all latex beds have latex layers anyways and that's how they are build on paper.Ill go the softest possible to respect the construction methods ellaborated in some posts so 19 to 22 ild (close to médium)

will see how it turns out..but its a disaster well i might just buy an all latex ...and break the bank


here is another one : sleeponlatex.com/products/natural-latex-mattress-topper

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After a lot of reading stil have questions. 08 Jan 2015 23:01 #8

Hi KrazyPanda,

on top of 3 convulated foam comfort


I would make sure that you know the type and density of this because it would almost certainly be a weak link in the mattress which means that it could soften or break down much too quickly relative to the price you paid for it. Of course it's always up to you but I would never buy a mattress with 3" of unknown materials in the comfort layers and this would be a very risky purchase.

Phoenix
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After a lot of reading stil have questions. 08 Jan 2015 23:49 #9

concerning the toppers :

im finding a lot of sites with cheap prices:

sleeponlatex.com/products/natural-latex-mattress-topper

any différences from buying here at 150 insted of 400 at sleep ez or other ones...it seems its pretty similar blendes or not , i mean i found 100 pour-cent natural for almost 200 less than some recommanded sites, how can u know if its a scam...is there a list on the site for best topper companies? sorry i used the search and cant find an official list yet. will keep searching, so thx for all the info, sorry if this is allready treated elsewhere...

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After a lot of reading stil have questions. 09 Jan 2015 00:11 #10

Hi KrazyPanda,

im finding a lot of sites with cheap prices:

sleeponlatex.com/products/natural-latex-mattress-topper

any différences from buying here at 150 insted of 400 at sleep ez or other ones...it seems its pretty similar blendes or not , i mean i found 100 pour-cent natural for almost 200 less than some recommanded sites, how can u know if its a scam...is there a list on the site for best topper companies? sorry i used the search and cant find an official list yet. will keep searching, so thx for all the info, sorry if this is allready treated elsewhere...


A latex topper that is the "best value" for you would all depend on the type and blend of latex that you prefer and whether you are making apples to apples comparisons and on all the other criteria that are important to you (including any return or exchange policies in case you make a "mistake" in your choice). There is more about the different types and blends of latex in post #6 here .

The component list here includes the better online sources for toppers that I'm aware of. I would consider all the suppliers on the list to be reliable and they will give you accurate information about the toppers they sell.

Your search seems to have switched directions. Are you looking for a mattress or a topper?

If you are looking for a topper then post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to has more information about choosing a topper that will help you use your sleeping experience on a mattress as a reference point to help you decide on the type, thickness, and firmness for a topper that would have the best chance of success on the mattress you would be using it on.

Phoenix
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