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Comfor Pedic by Simmons and my new mattress search 10 Jan 2015 10:33 #1

I have read all of the overviews and most of the individual pages under each topic. While I believe that I have a basic understanding of the concepts behind choosing a good mattress, I am not sure about a couple of the mattresses that I have found. One of the mattresses that I liked the most in the store was pretty much cost-prohibitive. It was a Tempur Pedic semi firm in the Contour line... Elite. The other one that I liked was made by Simmons and is the Comfor Pedic IQ, also firm. The model is the IQ 170-F. What do you know about the Comfor Pedic? Reviews on the web are mixed with mostly positive remarks.

Finally, I believe that one of the local furniture stores actually has a floor model of the IQ 170-F available for approximately $800. Is it worth the risk buying a floor model or something that I should dismiss as a general rule? My gut reaction is that it may be too risky but the technology is no longer new and the prices are a lot more reasonable than Tempur Pedic now that they have been out for about a year or so.

Thanks,

Mark

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Comfor Pedic by Simmons and my new mattress search 10 Jan 2015 13:56 #2

Quick Update:

I just returned home after visiting a Mattress Warehouse near my home in Harrisburg. They had several mattresses that I had previously considered but for the price coming in over $3,000. They also had a program that analyzed pressure points and made recommendations for mattresses that would provide the best support. Some of the mattresses I had previously selected were on the list of suggestions and I was impressed at the degree to which the analysis was spot on...

One of the mattresses that was recommended by the computer program was an Aireloom Enterprise and it contained many of the high quality components that were discussed on this site. It also features hand tufting and a very nice combination of latex, memory foam and high density steel inner coils that provided a very nice amount of support. I really liked the mattress and can honestly say that it was the only mattress that favorably compared to the Temurpedic Contour Elite and the Comfor Pedic IQ 170 F. The store manager agreed to extend a sale price that was run around Christmas on the mattress and flat boxspring to give me a price around $2100. He also arranged for favorable 48 month no interest financing to make the mattress more affordable for me.

What do you think?

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Comfor Pedic by Simmons and my new mattress search 10 Jan 2015 14:34 #3

This keeps getting more and more confusing... just read a bunch of negative reviews of the Mattress Warehouse and I am concerned. While looking for reviews of the Aireloom Enterprise, I stumbled upon Christeli and they appear to have a pretty good product too. Should I be more strongly considering them before moving ahead with any other mattress manufacturer? Sorry for all the questions but there is so much involved and it seems that every time I think I've arrived at a decision point, I see something else that gives me cause to hesitate and look further.

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Comfor Pedic by Simmons and my new mattress search 10 Jan 2015 15:57 #4

Hi mgblues,

I know you've read the overviews but I would also make sure you've read the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps most importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

I just returned home after visiting a Mattress Warehouse near my home in Harrisburg. They had several mattresses that I had previously considered but for the price coming in over $3,000. They also had a program that analyzed pressure points and made recommendations for mattresses that would provide the best support. Some of the mattresses I had previously selected were on the list of suggestions and I was impressed at the degree to which the analysis was spot on...


You can read a little more about pressure mapping systems in post #2 here and post #4 here . While they can be helpful ... I would be cautious about overemphasizing their importance compared to what your body tells you and using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post because they can help more for pressure testing than spinal alignment (pressure relief is not the same as spinal alignment and a mattress that does a great job relieving pressure is not necessarily the best choice in terms of alignment).

One of the mattresses that was recommended by the computer program was an Aireloom Enterprise and it contained many of the high quality components that were discussed on this site. It also features hand tufting and a very nice combination of latex, memory foam and high density steel inner coils that provided a very nice amount of support. I really liked the mattress and can honestly say that it was the only mattress that favorably compared to the Temurpedic Contour Elite and the Comfor Pedic IQ 170 F. The store manager agreed to extend a sale price that was run around Christmas on the mattress and flat boxspring to give me a price around $2100. He also arranged for favorable 48 month no interest financing to make the mattress more affordable for me.

What do you think?


As you can see in the guidelines here , I would be very cautious about purchasing any mattress where you aren't able to find out the specifics of all the layers and components inside it (see this article ) and Aireloom isn't normally transparent about the materials and components they use inside their mattresses (see this article ).

A mattress is only as good as its construction and the quality of all the layers and materials inside it so if a mattresses uses "some" good quality materials ... some of the lower quality materials that are also "in the mix" can still be a weak link in the mattress in terms of durability and the useful life of a mattress in which case it would be a much higher risk and I would avoid it.

If you can find out and list the specifics of all the layers and components in the Aireloom you are considering I'd be happy to make some comments about the quality of the materials inside it or help you identify any weak links in the mattress but it's not likely that you will be able to find out all the information you need to make an informed buying choice or make meaningful comparisons to other mattresses.

home in Harrisburg.


The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Harrisburg area (subject to the "value" guidelines I linked) are included in the links to the forum lists in post #2 here .

I stumbled upon Christeli and they appear to have a pretty good product too. Should I be more strongly considering them before moving ahead with any other mattress manufacturer?


The tutorial includes two links (in the optional online step) to lists of the better online options I'm aware of. One of them is to a list of the members of this site that sell mattresses online and the other is to a list of the better online memory foam options I'm aware of (some of which are members and some of which aren't) that includes Christeli (with some overlap between them).

There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here than can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses.

Hope this helps!

Phoenix
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Comfor Pedic by Simmons and my new mattress search 10 Jan 2015 19:38 #5

Thank you Phoenix. I got your message too late to contact the store for detailed specs but got the following information off a picture I took of the bed while I was in the store.

It is called the Enterprise Extra Firm and is part of the Streamline series.

Comfort level: 3.5 lb airegelle, cool visco, high density foams, tricol backing.

Support: power coil, 8" 830 coil, 13.75 gauge wrapped coils, made by aireloom 1.7 density edge, 84 steel flex

Outer Tufted adapt and react patent hand tailored, OIKO-TEX.

I will contact the company tomorrow to see if I can get more specific details.

It's my understanding that they use latex and memory foam (part is the gel stuff), in both the Dunlop and Talalay styles in two different levels. I will let you know if and when I get additional information regarding more specific materials used in the mattress.

Mark

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Comfor Pedic by Simmons and my new mattress search 10 Jan 2015 21:00 #6

Hi mgblues,

It is called the Enterprise Extra Firm and is part of the Streamline series.

Comfort level: 3.5 lb airegelle, cool visco, high density foams, tricol backing.

Support: power coil, 8" 830 coil, 13.75 gauge wrapped coils, made by aireloom 1.7 density edge, 84 steel flex

Outer Tufted adapt and react patent hand tailored, OIKO-TEX.

I will contact the company tomorrow to see if I can get more specific details.

It's my understanding that they use latex and memory foam (part is the gel stuff), in both the Dunlop and Talalay styles in two different levels. I will let you know if and when I get additional information regarding more specific materials used in the mattress.


If you can find out all the information listed here I'd certainly be happy to make some comments about the materials in the mattress or help you identify any weak links but if you aren't able to find this out then unfortunately it's not possible to make any meaningful comments about any mattress. If there is more than "about an inch or so" of lower quality or unknown materials in any mattress you are considering then I would pass the mattress by because it could be a very risky purchase in terms of durability and the useful life of the mattress relative to the price you pay for it.

The "value" of a mattress purchase always depends on ...

1. Testing for suitability and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences)
2. Checking for the type and quality of the materials inside the mattress to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links (which is what we are trying to do here)
3. Comparing your other finalists for "value" based on all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

All three of these are an important part of any successful mattress purchase.

Phoenix
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Comfor Pedic by Simmons and my new mattress search 11 Jan 2015 19:43 #7

Phoenix,

After reading your response, I immediately reviewed the posts and came up with a series of questions I was going to submit to the manager at Mattress Warehouse. I unfortunately found some very negative complaints on the Internet about the company and did not return. However, I spoke to some friends about their mattresses and many raved about the experiences they had purchasing from Costco. As an employee I see the mattresses (memory foam and spring) going out constantly. I only see them coming back on rare occasions. That being said, I am more concerned that the models in the stores do not come close to the criteria I have read here on this site. The models are primarily the Novaform memory foam mattress in a box. Some folks who have shared their experiences with me over the past 3 years have raved about them, but some of the online reviews have raised serious issues.

However, Costco offers a much greater selection online than in the store. Two of the models that caught my eye on the website are the Ara (6.5" of 5 lb/ft memory foam, 6" regular foam base, and a bamboo fabric cover), in queen size. The mattress comes with an adjustable base that features a lot of the stuff that is on many of the high end mattresses I have tried including 3 preset positions & massage. Most of the reviews of the Ara mattress were raves. Most of the concerns that I found on the Internet concern the firmness of the mattress causing lighter people to experience some adversity when using this mattress. I am not a lighter person. I am over 200 lbs and am in the category of consumer who the mattress appears to suit best.

Thus far during my search, the Tempur Pedic Contour Elite feels like the best mattress for me. The Ara is less than 1/2 the price and appears to compare quite favorably. I believe the Ara is manufactured by Sleep Science. Have you much experience with the Ara?

Here is the info directly from Costco's Product Details link on the mattress and adjustable bed:

"The Ara is Sleep Science’s™ pillow top, pure visco memory foam mattress. It is the closest thing to sleeping on a cloud. Experience the ultimate in a luxuriously soft, supportive sleep environment. The 13” Ara boasts 6 5/8 inches of premium memory foam that envelops you in an unparalleled feeling of weightless sleep that is supported by our patented Wedge Edge Support System and our proprietary ‘Air Channel’ Base. It is covered in a super soft, bamboo blend sleep surface fabric that is cool to the touch, with elegant micro-suede side panels for a luxurious look and feel. This is the mattress which visco memory foam purists come back to again and again.

13” pillow top mattress fits the dimensions of your bed
Bedframe not included
Sleep Science Comfort scale: Plush top with support layer
Meets the requirements of 16 CFR Part 1633 - Federal flammability (open flame) standards
Limited Warranty: 20 years
Cover is bamboo fabric consisting of three layers. This fabric is 300g/m2, the percentage of bamboo is 40%, nylon is 40%, polyester is 20%.
Cover top layer: 100% bamboo fabric
Middle layer: 100% nylon
Bottom layer: 100% polyester
Micro-suede cover sides are 100% polyester
Mattress core top layer: 3 inches 5-lb visco foam, 11-13 IFD
Second layer: 3 5/8 inches 5-lb visco foam, 11-13 IFD
Third layer: 1/2 inch air barrier
Fourth Layer: The Wedge Patented Edge Support System
Base layer: 6” Air Channel Base, dual density, dual IFD, relief cut urethane core
Cover is removable and washable
Visco Memory foam conforms to your body to relieve pressure points and improve circulation
This mattress should rest upon a solid surface for best results
Hypoallergenic and dust mite resistant
First time visco memory foam sleepers, please allow 30-60 days to adjust to sleeping on a visco elastic memory foam mattress
Visco memory foam is temperature reactive, therefore the mattress will react uniquely to each individual's body temperature
The mattress is rolled and compressed for ease of delivery. There will be a slight foam odor when first opened. It will dissipate within 24-48 hours.
Mattress Limited Warranty: 20 years against manufacturer defects

Queen Mattress dimensions: 60”W x 80”D x 13”H; Weight: 109 lbs


The adjustable base is made of reinforced steel and slips easily into an existing bed frame or can be used as a stand-alone bed. It features one of the quietest motors on the market and a sleek, stylish, streamlined design. The adjustable base also has a massage feature that is available on the head, feet or both. The wireless remote has a simple design with large raised buttons and is backlit for ease of use in the dark.

The adjustable base has 3 pre-programmed positions on the wireless remote control:
Zero Gravity (ZG): The ZG position, allows you to press one button and the bed automatically elevates both the head and feet for a feeling of floating suspension and cradling comfort
Reading: The reading position automatically lifts the head in order to sit up into a reading position
Flat: This feature allows you to press one button to return the mattress to a completely flat position

Adjustable Base:
Bed frame not included
Headboard and footboard brackets are not included
Meets the requirements of 16 CFR Part 1633 – Federal flammability (open flame) standards
Fits into most bed frames
Can be used as a stand-alone bed
Covered in camel colored micro-suede fabric
Super quiet motor and operating system with power down system
Wireless remote control, with back lighting and three programmed positions
3 pre-programmed positions (Zero Gravity, Reading and Flat), positions can be adjusted manually
Massage feature for head, foot or both with three levels of intensity
Operating mechanism and electronics UL tested
Lifting capacity of 700 lbs
1 year In-Home warranty service warranty
Years 2-5 free replacement of defective parts, purchaser responsible for freight and installation
Limited lifetime warranty on mechanism
Mattress with Adjustable Base Overall Dimensions: 60" W x 80" D x 29" H"

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Comfor Pedic by Simmons and my new mattress search 11 Jan 2015 23:21 #8

Hi mgblues,

However, I spoke to some friends about their mattresses and many raved about the experiences they had purchasing from Costco. As an employee I see the mattresses (memory foam and spring) going out constantly. I only see them coming back on rare occasions. That being said, I am more concerned that the models in the stores do not come close to the criteria I have read here on this site. The models are primarily the Novaform memory foam mattress in a box. Some folks who have shared their experiences with me over the past 3 years have raved about them, but some of the online reviews have raised serious issues.


You can see my comments about buying from Costco in post #4 here .

While I wouldn't consider most of their mattresses based on their quality/value ... there are some that use better quality materials and are in a "reasonable value" range that may be worth including in your research on a "mattress by mattress" basis. I would use the same criteria in post #13 here to compare their value as any other mattress purchase.

Most of the Novaform mattresses use lower quality/density materials than I would be comfortable with (see the guidelines here ) so I would be very cautious before considering any of them. A forum search on Novaform (you can just click the link) will bring up more information and many more comments about them.

However, Costco offers a much greater selection online than in the store. Two of the models that caught my eye on the website are the Ara (6.5" of 5 lb/ft memory foam, 6" regular foam base, and a bamboo fabric cover), in queen size. The mattress comes with an adjustable base that features a lot of the stuff that is on many of the high end mattresses I have tried including 3 preset positions & massage. Most of the reviews of the Ara mattress were raves. Most of the concerns that I found on the Internet concern the firmness of the mattress causing lighter people to experience some adversity when using this mattress. I am not a lighter person. I am over 200 lbs and am in the category of consumer who the mattress appears to suit best.


You can see my thoughts about Sleep Science in general in post #8 here and in post #2 here (which includes some comments about the Ara). I would be aware that their foams are not CertiPur certified which for me would exclude a mattress with foams that are made in China. A forum search on Sleep Science (you can just click this link as well) will also bring up more information and comments about them.

On the face of it they certainly use high quality materials and there wouldn't be any weak links in the mattress but they don't meet the criteria I would normally suggest for memory foam mattresses (they are made in China without CertiPUR certification) and there is some uncertainty about the accuracy of their descriptions as well. If they were CertiPUR certified and I was satisfied that their memory foam mattress descriptions were accurate I would certainly consider them ... but they're not and I'm not.

There is more information about choosing an adjustable base in post #3 here and the adjustable bed topic that it links to. I would treat the purchase of a mattress and an adjustable bed as two separate purchases so that you can assess the "value" of each of them separately because one of them may be a good choice but the other may not be the best choice for you and if you are buying a set that is only available together then you are being "forced" to buy both together. I would only consider a purchase of both together if both of them (the mattress and the adjustable bed) were the "best" choice for you individually.

I would certainly consider purchasing a Sleep Science adjustable bed from Costco if it compared well to the other adjustable beds I was considering based on features/price comparisons.

Phoenix
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Comfor Pedic by Simmons and my new mattress search 13 Jan 2015 13:48 #9

Phoenix,

I've been unable to obtain more specific information on the Aireloom mattress. In fact, when I called the store today, I was advised that Tempur Pedic had authorized a small discount off their mattresses and are also throwing in the plain box springs. The set of the Queen Tempur Pedic Contour Elite mattress and flat box spring would cost approximately $2159.00 . Knowing how Tempur Pedic does business, however, I am skeptical that discounts are being allowed. Do you know anything about any current programs that they may (or may not) be offering on their mattresses?

I also spent quite some time looking for a local mattress manufacturer and/or dealer in the general vicinity and struck out repeatedly. At least 2 of the sites indicated that they were no longer in the business. One still manufactures the foam, but is no longer making mattresses. During my search of your posts, however, I ran across a reference to Restonic as a reputable mattress manufacturer. One of our local furniture stores (Wolf's) sells Restonic mattresses. I visited their store and found 3 that felt very nice. The models that I liked are (in no particular order), the York Extra Firm {tempa gel memory foam, heavy duty individual coil, foam encasement, MM patented center support & a 15 year warranty}, the Doria {latex, memory foam, individual coil, foam encasement, MM patented center support and 15 year warranty} and the Harrisburg Eurotop {Premium Talalay Latex 34 ILD, MM patented center support, 884 Heavy Duty Individually Wrapped Coils that are tempered steel, gel quilting foams in the comfort layer, high density foam in support layers}.

The salesperson I was working with could not locate specific current spec sheets on the mattresses as some of them are new products and the Restonic rep has not yet brought the new spec sheets to the department. Do you have any thoughts on the models I found at the store?

They also have the Tempur Pedic Contour Elite but were not aware of any special programs being run at the current time. Wanted to see what you thought of those options especially since they appear to be much more reliable than the other brands I mentioned in earlier posts.

Thanks for your help and sorry for adding more details as they emerge. It is such a huge decision that I don't want to make a mistake.

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Comfor Pedic by Simmons and my new mattress search 13 Jan 2015 14:03 #10

I just sent a request to Restonic for the specs for each of the 3 mattresses. Will update if and when I receive a response. If you happen to have the info, then you won't need it.

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