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Amerisleep, what do we really know about the PRODUCT??? (shaddy marketing yes, but the beds?) 23 Jan 2015 13:32 #1

Hi Phoenix and all. You can see where I am going with this from the title. I've been doing CRAZY amounts of research and reading, here, there, everywhere, and it "seems" 'on the surface', these are good beds.

I know they are engaged in some shady marketing tactics, but really that is all I could find here about them on MU. Right now I have zero feedback about their actual beds. What I do know, is that meet all your criteria for a "good bed" from what I can tell, let's look at Americana and tell me if I am wrong:

- 3" 4.5lb 12ILD top layer
- 7" 2.0lb 35ILD base
- weighs in a 86 lbs (I find this useful, since if much lighter you know something is "up")
- 20 year warranty, first 10 not prorated, uses 0.75 inches
- made by Anatomic Global which is owned by Foamex/FXI, so as far as I can tell, Certi-pur
- 90 day trial

Is there a weakness here in this product or company I am not seeing, besides their marketing practices? (which I don't agree with either, but I am trying to buy a bed not a share in their company)

Here are some things you or people on the forum might be able to help me discern here:

- Is there any actual feedback from buyers here, good or bad?

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam is cooler than even gel foam?

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam has a faster recovery rate than gel foam?

- I have to believe the claims it is much less toxic and off-gassing are true?

- open cell structure foam again helping with temperature?

Thank you and anyone who can provide some insight here. I am in Canada, and this was one of the options I was seriously looking at until I seen the feedback on marketing. It might be enough to stop a purchase (as is I would have to pay for shipping if I want to return bed...), but at the same time I still wonder about the bed and any real feedback we have about any of their beds. If anyone has bought one and sees this thread please weigh in.

TIA

p.s note I will be starting a new thread on more specific help to finalize my decision re Latex or foam, other companies etc

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Amerisleep, what do we really know about the PRODUCT??? (shaddy marketing yes, but the beds?) 23 Jan 2015 16:30 #2

Hi jayjonbeach,

I know they are engaged in some shady marketing tactics, but really that is all I could find here about them on MU. Right now I have zero feedback about their actual beds. What I do know, is that meet all your criteria for a "good bed" from what I can tell, let's look at Americana and tell me if I am wrong:


I would be very cautious about using someone else's experience on any mattress (either positive or negative) as a meaningful source of guidance about how a mattress will feel for you because firmness and softness is very subjective and relative to different people (a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel soft for someone else) and each person can be very different. A mattress that is a "perfect" match for one person in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, or Personal preferences) may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on ... even if they are in similar weight ranges. Using other people's mattress reviews or experiences as a meaningful source of research and information can often be more misleading than helpful (see post #13 here ).

There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses regardless of whether there are any reviews or feedback about any particular mattress.

There is also more in post #2 here about the different ways to choose a mattress (either locally or online) that can help you identify and minimize the risks involved with each of them.

let's look at Americana and tell me if I am wrong:

- 3" 4.5lb 12ILD top layer
- 7" 2.0lb 35ILD base
- weighs in a 86 lbs (I find this useful, since if much lighter you know something is "up")
- 20 year warranty, first 10 not prorated, uses 0.75 inches
- made by Anatomic Global which is owned by Foamex/FXI, so as far as I can tell, Certi-pur
- 90 day trial


While I can't speak to how well any of their mattresses may work for you in terms of PPP (your own experience will be the only reliable way to know this) ... all of these materials are good quality/density and there aren't any weak links in the mattress.

FXI is a US manufacturer and is CertiPUR certified so this would meet the criteria I use for relative "safety" even though Amerisleep itself isn't on the CertiPUR list.

Their 90 day trial also doesn't include shipping costs which can be substantial because the return shipping for a uncompressed mattress would need to be through common carrier rather than courier.

- Is there any actual feedback from buyers here, good or bad?


You can see my "generic" comments about Amerisleep in post #2 here . A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them but as far as I know all the forum members that were considering them ended up purchasing somewhere else except for two (see post #5 here and post #1 here ) who both ended up returning their mattress.

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam is cooler than even gel foam?


Not in general terms no and it would depend entirely on the specific chemical formulation of the memory foam. There is more about the different properties of different types of memory foam in post #9 here and post #8 here and there is more about "cooling down" memory foam in post #6 here . I would also be aware that so called "plant based" foam has only replaced a relatively small portion of one of the two main chemicals (the polyol) used to make the foam and they would be closely comparable to "regular" memory foam (see post #2 here ).

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam has a faster recovery rate than gel foam?


Again in general terms no. This would also depend on the specific properties that have been chemically formulated into the foam.

- I have to believe the claims it is much less toxic and off-gassing are true?


Once again this will depend on the specifics of the foam (some "plant based" foams can smell worse than non plant based foams) but the certification of a foam would be the most reliable way to decide on whether any material is "safe enough for you" because outside of specific testing results there is no way to know this for certain.

- open cell structure foam again helping with temperature?


More open cell structures are one of the variables that can improve the temperature regulation of a particular foam layer yes (see the previous link about cooling down memory foam). There are many other variables involved though besides just the foam layers in a mattress that can have a significant effect on the sleeping temperature of a mattress (see post #2 here ).

Thank you and anyone who can provide some insight here. I am in Canada, and this was one of the options I was seriously looking at until I seen the feedback on marketing. It might be enough to stop a purchase (as is I would have to pay for shipping if I want to return bed...), but at the same time I still wonder about the bed and any real feedback we have about any of their beds. If anyone has bought one and sees this thread please weigh in.


The better online options and possibilities I'm aware of that ship across Canada are listed in post #21 here .

Phoenix
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