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Choosing between Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams latex and the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop for higher weights 25 May 2015 09:39 #1

General question about the basic Ultimate Dream vs. Eurotop model. My husband is a big guy (6'4" and 250#) and I am 5'11 @ 180#. I know from previous posts that we are on the border of weight issues relative to the durability factor of the UD. We looked at the Eurotop, which has more in the support layer - would this be sufficient at a moderate firmness level to boost the longevity of the mattress? I realize the comfort layer can be adjusted,, but I am more interested in durability. We are also looking at a Cal. King size - does the larger surface area make any difference in longevity? Bottom line, since we are pretty much sold on the UD, is spending the extra money on a Eurotop model worth the expense, or are we just buying the flexibility to accommodate the comfort level? Someone else in a previous post also mentioned the Aloe something, also made by Dreamfoam, as a high end choice as well - but for the added expense would the results be noticeable?

And, by the way, this is my first post, after signing up today. I have read and read various forums and articles, and thank you so much for providing this service!

Thanks, Wendy

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Choosing between Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams latex and the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop for higher weights 25 May 2015 10:49 #2

Hi wendym,

I noticed that you registered with your email as your username which means that automated spambots will be able to harvest your email and add you to their spam lists. If you'd like I can remove the @ and the domain after it and change your username to just wendymlevin (or any username you wish).

General question about the basic Ultimate Dream vs. Eurotop model. My husband is a big guy (6'4" and 250#) and I am 5'11 @ 180#. I know from previous posts that we are on the border of weight issues relative to the durability factor of the UD. We looked at the Eurotop, which has more in the support layer - would this be sufficient at a moderate firmness level to boost the longevity of the mattress?


The single biggest factor in the durability of a polyfoam material is it's density not thickness or the surface area of the mattress.

Both the Ultimate Dreams latex and the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop use the same density polyfoam in their base layer and both have the same 3" thickness of Talalay latex in the top layer and when you are in a higher weight range then you will tend to "go through" the top layer more and compress the support layer more deeply which means that it's density would play a bigger role in the durability and useful life of the mattress than it would for those that are in lower weight ranges. The main difference between the Eurotop and the Ultimate Dreams latex is the options you have available after a purchase to exchange the firmness of the latex comfort layer (in the case of the Eurotop) and if you are using the same firmness latex in the comfort layer in both of them then their durability would be closely comparable.

As you can see in the guidelines here ... in your weight range I would consider a higher density base layer in the range of 2 lbs or higher.

It may also be worth considering the Ultimate Dreams Natural which uses a Dunlop latex comfort layer with a 2 lb base layer or the new Brooklyn Bedding mattress (Brooklyn Bedding is a sister company of Dreamfoam) which uses 4" of latex (2" of blended Talalay latex and 2" of synthetic Dunlop continuous pour latex) on top of a 2 lb base layer as well (and also has a free return policy). You can read more about it in posts #6 - #10 here and in post #3 here .

Someone else in a previous post also mentioned the Aloe something, also made by Dreamfoam, as a high end choice as well - but for the added expense would the results be noticeable?


If you are referring to the Aloe Alexis then it uses two 3" layers of latex instead of one and also has a 2.17 lb polyfoam support core so with a total of 6" of latex instead of 3" it would be closer to the feel and performance of an all latex mattress than either the ultimate Dreams latex or the Eurotop and it would be more durable as well (see post #2 here and post #2 here ). It also has wool in the quilting which would be more temperature regulating and it also has the option to rearrange the top two layers or change the firmness of either of the two latex layers so it has more flexibility to fine tune the feel and performance of the mattress than either of the other two you mentioned but of course it is also more costly because it uses higher quality and more costly materials and components and contains twice as much latex.

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Choosing between Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams latex and the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop for higher weights 25 May 2015 11:08 #3

Phoenix,

First of all, thanks for the catch on my registration. And please do change that username to just wendy. I would appreciate it.

So, bottom line is that you are recommending an upgraded version, with more support, such as the Aloe Alexis. The cost is more, but it does look like you still get the benefits of the Ultimate Dream, with increased supportiveness.

The wool layer helps with temp control, so that looks good for us. Would you think that the more latex feel would make motion transfer better or worse than the UD? This is my husband's #1 issue.

You mentioned the ability to adjust the top two layers of latex to customize the feel. Is this an extra cost, or all part of the total quoted price for the bed itself? Seems like it might work well all around for us.
Wendy

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Choosing between Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams latex and the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop for higher weights 25 May 2015 13:05 #4

Hi wendym,

First of all, thanks for the catch on my registration. And please do change that username to just wendy. I would appreciate it.


I changed your username to wendym because wendy was already in use. I hope that's OK. I also moved your posts and my replies to a new topic of it's own so that our conversation wouldn't get mixed in with another member's topic.

So, bottom line is that you are recommending an upgraded version, with more support, such as the Aloe Alexis. The cost is more, but it does look like you still get the benefits of the Ultimate Dream, with increased supportiveness.


The benefits of higher quality/density materials would be that they will be more durable and have a longer useful life than lower quality/density materials. The support of a mattress is a function of its design not the durability of the materials inside it.

There is more about primary or "deep" support and secondary or "surface" support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the "roles" of different layers in a mattress in post #2 here and in post #4 here that may also be helpful in clarifying the difference between "support" and "pressure relief" and "feel". These are all separate issues from the quality and durability of the materials inside the mattress.

There is more about the most reliable ways to choose a mattress that is the most suitable "match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) either locally or online in post #2 here that can help you make the best possible choice and help you identify and minimize the risks involved in making a choice that turns out not to be as suitable as you hoped for but when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer who can help "talk you through" the options they have available based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences and which of the firmness and layering options they have available will have the best chance of success than anyone else.

The wool layer helps with temp control, so that looks good for us. Would you think that the more latex feel would make motion transfer better or worse than the UD? This is my husband's #1 issue.


Since the top layer in all the mattresses you are considering is latex the motion transfer would probably be similar in all of them although it may be slightly better with the Alexis but they will have more personal experience with all the different mattresses they manufacture so they would be a more reliable source of guidance about any smaller motion transfer differences between them than I would.

You mentioned the ability to adjust the top two layers of latex to customize the feel. Is this an extra cost, or all part of the total quoted price for the bed itself? Seems like it might work well all around for us.


If you rearrange the layers in the Alexis (using the firmer latex layer on top) then of course there wouldn't be any extra cost but if you exchange one of the layers for a softer or firmer version then there is a minimal cost involved for the exchange (see post #7 here ). The same mattress is also available from Brooklyn Bedding if you call them directly (although they don't list it on their site any longer since they introduced their new mattress) and if you purchase it from them then the trial period would be 120 days and the cost of a layer exchange would be a flat $75.

The Dreamfoam Natural and the Brooklyn Bedding #BestMattressEver and the Aloe Alexis all use high quality materials that would be suitable for your weight range so you are certainly looking at some great quality/value choices. Once you are down to finalists that are all choices between "good and good" and none of them have any obvious weak links or lower quality materials in their design and if there are no clear winners between them then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your material preferences (the type and blend of latex layers you would prefer), your conversations with each of them, their prices, the return/exchange options they have, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on "informed best judgement" based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix
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Choosing between Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams latex and the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop for higher weights 28 May 2015 10:11 #5

Phoenix, thanks for all of your help. This has been very valuable information. i will keep you posted re: my progress and the outcome.
Wendy

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Choosing between Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams latex and the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop for higher weights 28 May 2015 13:05 #6

Hi WendyM,

You are certainly looking at some high quality/value and durable choices and I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding :)

Phoenix
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