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19 Mar 2017 12:29 #781 by Phoenix

Hi atomheartmother,

Thank you for the photos of your bed set.

If you chose to use the foundations like the USBoxSpring you mentioned, those would work fine upon your existing set up as pictured. The main support would be from the three cross slats with the legs down to the floor that you showed in the photos, and the “sagging” that you’re getting from the thin decking would not be noticed. I would just make sure that you choose the appropriate thickness of foundation so that your mattress doesn’t sit up too high, and also be sure that your leg height is adjusted appropriately if there was a glide adjustment at the bottom of the support legs..

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20 Mar 2017 15:33 - 20 Mar 2017 15:35 #782 by atomheartmother

Phoenix wrote: Hi atomheartmother,

Thank you for the photos of your bed set.

If you chose to use the foundations like the USBoxSpring you mentioned, those would work fine upon your existing set up as pictured. The main support would be from the three cross slats with the legs down to the floor that you showed in the photos, and the “sagging” that you’re getting from the thin decking would not be noticed. I would just make sure that you choose the appropriate thickness of foundation so that your mattress doesn’t sit up too high, and also be sure that your leg height is adjusted appropriately if there was a glide adjustment at the bottom of the support legs..

Phoenix


Thanks for your help. I order the foundation. We'll have to check it out Friday when it arrives.

Should I leave the fiberboard deck planks on or pull them off (foundation directly on the slats)? I suppose the decking really wouldn't be adding anything.

Is there any value to replacing the slats with nice hardwood slats (the current ones are some painted plywood)? Or are they fine assuming they don't flex and don't break?

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20 Mar 2017 16:21 #783 by Phoenix

Hi atonheartmother,

Should I leave the fiberboard deck planks on or pull them off (foundation directly on the slats)? I suppose the decking really wouldn't be adding anything.

I would leave them on, as in your bed set it seems as their primary purpose is to keep dust from getting to the contents of the items in the drawers under the bed.

Is there any value to replacing the slats with nice hardwood slats (the current ones are some painted plywood)? Or are they fine assuming they don't flex and don't break?

If they’re performing well I would see no need to replace them at this time.

Phoenix


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03 Apr 2017 15:52 #784 by azcards4ever

Here's the story: Bought Queen BBE Soft and have had it for about two weeks. Synopsis: Worst back ache and hip pain ever!!! Wake up every morning with a sore back and bad hip...side sleeper, figured I probably should have chosen the Medium firmness. Wife, who thought she loved a soft mattress...ditto but less pain.

This Friday I swapped beds with my "old reliable spring mattress" in spare room; put that on my foundation in Master (foundation was a new 5" foundation/metal frame that came with a Saatva bed I returned). I kept it since it was sturdy, new, and decent price. I put the BBE on my old box spring with old metal support frame in spare bed.

Situation occurs where son has to sleep with wife so I get booted out of the bed; have to go sleep on the BBE on the old box spring. Guess what? Beautiful sleep!!!! No aches, no pains, just great sleep. Happened again the 2nd night....no aches and pains, great rest.

Am I missing something here? Obviously the old box spring was the key, but it seems kinda reversed.
I'm thinking of moving the BBE and the old box spring into the master and run with it. Thoughts?

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03 Apr 2017 23:31 #785 by jefmoody

Being one who has a BME Soft...I use a wireframe base (Inexpensive) and I sleep so good on it. Of course, I'm a side sleeper and we need a soft mattress. How do you sleep?
I would also ask Phoenix how you sleep well on the box spring.

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04 Apr 2017 11:47 #786 by Phoenix

Hi azcards4ever,

Welcome to the forum! :)

Here's the story: Bought Queen BBE Soft and have had it for about two weeks. Synopsis: Worst back ache and hip pain ever!!! Wake up every morning with a sore back and bad hip...side sleeper, figured I probably should have chosen the Medium firmness. Wife, who thought she loved a soft mattress...ditto but less pain.

I’m sorry your current BME mattress seems to be a bit too soft for you. The good news is that you did choose a product that allows for an exchange/return should that become necessary.

This Friday I swapped beds with my "old reliable spring mattress" in spare room; put that on my foundation in Master (foundation was a new 5" foundation/metal frame that came with a Saatva bed I returned). I kept it since it was sturdy, new, and decent price. I put the BBE on my old box spring with old metal support frame in spare bed.

Situation occurs where son has to sleep with wife so I get booted out of the bed; have to go sleep on the BBE on the old box spring. Guess what? Beautiful sleep!!!! No aches, no pains, just great sleep. Happened again the 2nd night....no aches and pains, great rest.

Unfortunately your question doesn't have any specific answers and there are a few "it depends" that are part of the answers that I might be able to provide you with, but I’ll do my best to see if I can help you figure things out.

First, there is information about the many different symptoms/pains that people may experience on a mattress and some of the most common causes behind them in post #2 here . Generally speaking, the most common reason for lower back pain is a mattress that has comfort layers that are too thick/soft or a support core that is too soft.

Starting with your BME, it is recommended that this be placed on a surface that is flat and firm. The foundation from your Saatva is a basic wood platform construction, so that generally would suffice. Your bedframe should also be fine, and you’d want to make sure that the center support for that is in place. So I’m assuming that the frame/foundation set up in your master bedroom is appropriate for the BME mattress and gives a more accurate representation of how the mattress is supposed to perform.

Moving to the guest bedroom, you describe the old bottom part of your mattress set as a "box spring". Is it actually a true coil box spring that has quit a bit of flex to it? This is not too common, even going back a few decades ago. Is it a folded torsion system that flexes a bit but not as much as a coil box spring? And does the frame in that room have a proper center reinforcement?

The reason I’m curious about the actual construction of the guest room “box spring” is that it would provide some insight into what you’re experiencing. Assuming that it is an actual coil box spring, it might be allowing your BME to sink in more than when placed upon a proper flat surface, allowing you to sink in more deeply, which could point toward you having a “learned alignment” where you prefer to have your hips sink in more deeply with an accentuated lateral curvature. As you’ve only had your current mattress for two weeks, it might not be enough time for your body to adjust to a better alignment. An “active component” under your mattress generally impacts your deep support characteristics, and not so much your perception of surface comfort. It could be that you respond best to having something under your mattress that does allow for some “give”.

Another difference is dynamic of who is sleeping in the mattress. I would test out both of you sleeping on the BME in the guest room and see if you still sleep well, as having two people in the mattress also can impact your alignment.

Besides those two thoughts and the link I provided above, these are just my best guesses and “theory at a distance” as to the “why” of what is happening, and without more specific information I wouldn’t have a much better idea than those thoughts.

I’m curious to learn the actual configuration of your “box spring”.

Phoenix


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07 Apr 2017 20:27 #787 by Dr.Ake

Ugh. I wish I didn't have to say this, but our (Soft) BME will be going back (or donated, or whatever.) My wife, the impetus behind the search for a new mattress, has not been able to adjust to the BME. While I am very happy with the mattress, it's too firm for her and she has decided that it has to go. The motion transfer quality of the mattress is also a big problem for her. That bouncy feeling of latex is not what she wants.

We would like to stay with a 10" thickness so we don't have to replace all of our great sheets and we already have the bed frame up on risers for storage underneath, so if we had to go with a 14 inch mattress, we'd have to jump up to get on the bed. We're now looking at the Helix in the softest configuration. Any other suggestions?

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08 Apr 2017 11:54 #788 by Phoenix

Hi Dr.Ake

Ugh. I wish I didn't have to say this, but our (Soft) BME will be going back (or donated, or whatever.) My wife, the impetus behind the search for a new mattress, has not been able to adjust to the BME. While I am very happy with the mattress, it's too firm for her and she has decided that it has to go. The motion transfer quality of the mattress is also a big problem for her. That bouncy feeling of latex is not what she wants.

I’m sorry to hear the your BME Soft isn’t working out for your wife as well as you had hoped :( , but at least you did have the foresight to choose a product that allows for a return, so that’s good news.

We're now looking at the Helix in the softest configuration. Any other suggestions?

If I remember correctly you had an older Tempurpedic that was causing you some issues in comfort that seemed to be relived with the new mattress. It seems as that your wife prefers the point elasticity of memory foam but not the higher resiliency that the latex in the BME provided, at least from your descriptions in your previous posts. The Helix uses an advanced algorithm where they mix the firmness of the top two layers of polyfoam and the top three layers of comfort materials in order to provide as close of a match as possible to what they think you might like. The higher quality polyfoam, microcoil unit and the high performance polyfoam used in the upper comfort layers will be more resilient than your old memory foam mattress, but probably not as much as the BME was. My best suggestion would be a detailed conversation with Helix on the phone and explain to them your complete history, from the older memory foam bed and your personal need for a bit better surface support, and your wife’s desire for a softer surface comfort (related your experience with the BME soft) and see what recommendations they come up with. There wouldn’t be any contraindications for either of your BMI ranges for this mattress.

I’ll look forward to learning what you decide to do as you move forward.

Phoenix


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08 Apr 2017 12:12 #789 by Dr.Ake

Hit the nail on the head! Thanks, Phoenix. I'll post when things are moving in a new direction in a couple of weeks.

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08 Apr 2017 13:47 #790 by Phoenix

Hi Dr.Ake,

Looking forward to learning about your results!

Phoenix


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