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12 Jun 2018 13:36 #201 by GoodnightMoon

See, this sounds like the BS public relations answer. I don't buy it for a second. This is not how companies do business unless want to go OUT OF business.

You don't put your customers on indefinite hold. So something fishy is going on in the company and I wondered if anyone knew what was REALLY going on.

Was sold on the dream core and ready to buy one. The reveries are much more expensive for the same bed, no thank you.

Look like the sent Caspar my business. Good job Oso.

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13 Jun 2018 15:24 #202 by Phoenix

Hi GoodnightMoon.

While I understand your disappointment, oftentimes what it "sounds like" to anyone and what it truly is may be quite different. Each company has their own internal processes and decisions to make and may chose to keep things "internal" to maintain their competitive advantage. Oso through their sister company representative offered their apology for setting up any expectations and clearly states that they are redesigning the product and that while this is in progress the product (or redesigned product) is unavailable. Products get improved or come and go all the time and I see no reason to doubt their answer. In fact, at the beginning of the year, they informed me about their future plans for redesigning the mattress, which is also why they no longer appear on our membership listing. I

@ -strangerousanya

Congratulations on your new mattress purchase! :lol:
Yes do keep us updated and let us know how it works out for you once you have the chance to sleep on it for a while longer.

@ seanpatrick
I have deleted your last 3 posts (one word or one sentence):silly: ... while they were very cheerful they were not contributing anything to the discussions in progress and confusing to anyone that might want to follow the discussion. I do appreciate the humor though.

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13 Jun 2018 20:32 #203 by droidx

Thanks Phoenix. I knew you would be the one to know which mattress I was speaking of, and I appreciate the link to the review. It is very informative. I just missed getting this mattress for 750.00 king size tonight, so I may wait as it appears to go on sale often. I still need my wife to go try it out, and if I can get 7ish years out of it for the price, that would be great. All things considered, if it does break down in a couple of years, maybe it will be possible to replace the top layer with a better quality. Personally, I would rather spend less than 1k on a mattress I can test that will last me a few years over one that could cost me 2500-3k that I cant test and would just have to buy it on a hope and a prayer. Personally, the return policies help, but I really dont want to have to deal with returning. Thanks again.

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13 Jun 2018 22:55 - 14 Jun 2018 11:02 #204 by Phoenix

Hi droidx.

The price point would be another part of your personal value equation . While durability may be for a shorter time, you’ll still want to make sure that whatever you choose has good quality and durable materials that offers the comfort/sport you need for the useful life of the mattress. There is no magic "formula" that can determine "value" down to the last detail or replace "your best judgment" because there will always be some unknowns in any mattress purchase that can only be answered by your own long-term personal experience.

The 4th of July holiday is probably your next opportunity for a new big mattress sales event.

Phoenix


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14 Jun 2018 19:47 #205 by GoodnightMoon

Is that so? Tell me any other company that can afford to just stop selling their products for an indefinite a time and still expect to stay in business?

Your answer has "corporate shill" written all over it .

I hardly think that Reverie is a sister company. Definitely an overlord company. Seems like a Saturn situation, where the subsidiary was doing too good a job competing with the parent company. And so the parent kills the child.


One thing that history tells us with a fair amount of certainty is that the official answer from any large corporation is not going to be the truth. At the very best not the complete truth.

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15 Jun 2018 14:08 - 16 Jun 2018 10:08 #206 by Phoenix

Hi GoodnightMoon.

The Mattress Underground is not a mattress review site nor a place to express opinions on the business decisions made by TMU members or non-members. Our website and Forum are for consumer education and information sharing on topics related to the purchase of a mattress. Our stated purpose is “ to provide a source of accurate unbiased information regarding mattresses, their construction, the materials used to make them”.

Regarding the OSO product "temporary" withdrawal there are a few things that we know to be factual and any other speculation connected with Oso/Reverie business decision does not help anyone and it is outside of the scope of our Forum. Reverie has decided to remove the current OSO product line from sale to the public. They have also posted a note on www.ososleep.com and have inactivated the ability to shop/purchase the product through their website. Moreover, they had the courtesy to reply to your initial post apologize and clarify things. Reverie informed TMU about their plans regarding their lineup redesign as being a temporary matter and consequently, TMU has removed OSO as a member from TMU membership listing as it has been operated as separate product/brand from Reverie. At this time we are not aware of a specific date when they'll resume.

We recognize that you are not happy with Reverie’s decision to discontinue its OSO products. However, your opinions and speculation about this and Reverie/OSO's business decision-making process of redesigning or "temporarily" discontinuing this product are not relevant to this Forum. Just like GM’s decision to discontinue Saturn, Reverie/ Oso's decision will be gauged over time by the marketplace.

Phoenix


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11 Jul 2018 06:49 - 11 Jul 2018 08:17 #207 by jaywood1

www.brooklynbedding.com/products/mattresses/brooklyn-bowery/

What do you think of these beds?
Comfort layer: 2” of 3.0lb gel memory
Mid: 2” of their engineered foam
Support layer: 6” 2.0lb



I've also been looking at Lucid. Been hard to find info on these however...
www.amazon.com/LUCID-Inch-Queen-Hybrid-M...s/dp/B0774YTYF7?th=1
Hybrid


I'm 175lb. Mostly side/stomach sleeper. Male.

Thanks!

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11 Jul 2018 16:24 - 11 Jul 2018 16:25 #208 by GoodnightMoon

Well they certainly replied to my initial message but they clarified nothing, it was more of their corporate doublespeak and simply repeating verbatim the information on their website.

It would seem to me of this move is genuinely temporary then there be no need to remove Oso's membership. That seems more like a permanent move to me.

I get it that you need to be nice to your corporate masters because this website depends upon them for it survival, so you can't go rocking the boat which means that I don't really trust that any information here is actually unbiased.

I along with many of your civilian members have spent a lifetime being lied to, taken advantage of, and out right defrauded by big businesses. I simply don't trust any of the answers that I would get from them, and any truly unbiased website cannot be in partnership with them. They simply only ever care about their bottom line.

I haven't really taken the time to investigate who actually owns this website but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being one of the big mattress companies. It is sufficient for me to know I will receive no actual answers here nor can I trust any of the information presented to me.

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11 Jul 2018 23:16 #209 by Phoenix

Hi jaywood1.

Welcome to our forum! :)

Hopefully, you've read the Mattress Shopping Tutorial post which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices, learn how to avoid the worst ones.

www.brooklynbedding.com/products/mattresses/brooklyn-bowery/
What do you think of these beds?
Comfort layer: 2” of 3.0lb gel memory
Mid: 2” of their engineered foam
Support layer: 6” 2.0lb


I don’t know where you obtained the information you listed above but the layering and specs on their own site are very different then what you have.
They list in this order from top to bottom 3” Energex foam (density unknown) / 2” foam layer (density unknown) / 5” HD foam (density unknown)
If you manage to find the complete specs I’d be happy to comment upon the mattress that you are considering.

You are correct that Lucid does not provide any meaningful information about the specs contained within their mattress, but you may wish to do a quick search on our forum Search our forum with the key term “Lucid” which will bring up more comments about it. You may also wish to keep in mind that were a few issues with the covers that that were discussed In this thread here

The quality of the materials in the top 3" - 6" or so of a mattress will have the biggest effect on durability but durability will also depend on your weight and the other factors involved in the relative durability and useful life of a mattress (see post #4 here and the posts it links to).
In your research for a mattress, I’d make sure that you know the specifics of all the layers so you can identify any weak links and make sure that it uses the highest quality materials that are available in your budget range. The information you would need to identify any weak links and make meaningful comparisons between mattresses in terms of durability is in post #4 here . When assessing any product, also be sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

Hopefully, you can take some time to read through this information which will help to give you a good start in your mattress research.

Phoenix


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13 Jul 2018 06:35 #210 by jaywood1

Hey Phoenix. Thanks for the response
That is what the online chat person told me on their website, lol

I was just digging around on the web and found this about the Brooklyn Bowery:

The Bowery by Brooklyn Bedding is an 10″ three layer all foam mattress. The top layer is 3 thick inches of 3.5ld density patented Energex foam. This comfort layer is contouring and hugs each inch of your body. As well as very responsive and allows you to easily move and change positions and never feel stuck. It also is great for relieving pressure and providing adaptable support.

The second layer is 2″ of transitional foam. This layer is a great layer to provide deep comfort as well as allow for a gentle transition between the top comfort layer and base foam. The bottom layer of this mattress is the foundation of the bed. It is 5″ of 1.8lb density base foam

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