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19 Oct 2018 14:53 - 19 Oct 2018 17:56 #221 by Sweet Dreams

@Eric LK M - I checked out the link provided about the mattress you're recommending and see that they give no details about its construction. Nothing about the layers of foam used or their densities are specified. Very risky buying such a mattress since there's no way to predict its durability without such information. Then I noticed that there are only two reviews given, both from the same person who also happens to use some of the exact phrases as you do above. Hmmm... :S

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20 Oct 2018 18:59 - 20 Oct 2018 19:33 #222 by Phoenix

Hi Caeser.

Fleep mattress is one of the newer Bed in the Box (BIB) entries on the Canadian market (2 years old) that capitalizes on the reversible feature and the 2 comfort options it offers. While in terms of durability this mattress would not raise any red flags for average BMI weight ranges, I would place a slight caution for higher BMI ranges (See the durability guidelines here ) They do not list the ILD specifications of the layers to be able to assess the bed design as it relates to softness/firmness needs of any individual sleeper. In the case of poly and memory foam, density and ILD specifications are the only reliable indicators of quality and suitability regardless of any names or word descriptions used to describe the foams on a website. If anything, and generally speaking, foam names and descriptions are more connected with marketing and generally do nothing more than to created confusion in a market that is already saturated by clever ways of using words to "push" and make a product more “marketable” based on an impression that is created about the foam/product rather than quantifiable qualities given by facts, specifications, testing and raw data.

In the case of Fleep while the idea of having two-sided BIB is novel as it can accommodate a wider range of needs it is essentially a BIB with two comfort options. While they list two firmness choices (firm and soft) it is not clear where in the range of firmness/softens this would fall … e.g. how soft the soft is or how firm the firm is. A more reliable way of assessing suitability would be listing the ILD. Someone looking for a “different firm” in a Fleep mattress would not be able to make it work unless they exchange one of the memory foam layers inside the mattress.

You can also read some of my initial thoughts about the mattress in Post #2 here and you can also perform a quick Forum Search here to see what has been previously discussed about them on the forum.

Phoenix.
(ADMIN Note: The posts about Fleep to its own dedicated topic to make it easier to research. )

@ Sweet Dreams

As usual, thank you for your valuable contributions. :)
As you well noted Eric LK M (first-time poster) inserted a promotional post and will be shortly removed from our forum.


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29 Nov 2018 11:20 #223 by moonunitann

Tried SOL medium 9" queen last summer and alas it didn't work -- persistent hip pain. But I haven't found a better solution and need to replace futon mattress. Tempted to order SOL firm 9" and cross my fingers. Can't return/get$back twice in one year (their terms are beyond reasonable, great company to work with) so rather worried about decision. I understand their firm no longer as firm as when they started out due to complaints of too firm (which I'd probably like). Have others moved from med to firm SOL with good success? I want to love this mattress but bottom line need good sleep without pain. I'm 5'8" 135 pounds 68 year old female physically active.

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01 Dec 2018 02:06 #224 by Phoenix

Hi moonunitann.

While I don't have personal experience with either configuration SOL transitioned in Spring to softer versions to accommodate the consumer “need” for more plushness. When I asked Karl about it he commented that the change is not very noticeable but that the slight change was prompted by consumer feedback and of course in mind with the fact that the Dunlop has a firmer feel. You might want to give SOL a call and to find out if they think that the change can be enough to make a difference for you. I am sure they accumulated enough consumer feedback to be able to estimate this.

Phoenix


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24 Dec 2018 04:36 #225 by rob1221

Thanks for the answers. I was looking for it from past few days as I was having trouble related to matress.

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26 Dec 2018 16:12 #226 by Phoenix

Hi rob1221.

Glad to be of help ... and welcome to our Forum! :)

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01 Jan 2019 17:20 #227 by freddie89

Phoenix, when trying to find a durable mattress for my wife and I (18 BMI and 22 BMI) do I look for mattresses that suit higher BMIs (adding up our weights e.g. 254lbs) or do I look for a mattress that suits the partner with the higher BMI?

I'm concerned that if I get a mattress that suits the partner with the higher BMI rather than adding our total weights and looking for a mattress that suits that weight total, the mattress will not be durable enough and deteriorate quicker.

Thanks!

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02 Jan 2019 14:11 #228 by Phoenix

Hi freddie89.

Welcome to our Forum! :)

The recommended durability guidelines are relative to each of the individuals sleeping on the mattress and I'd certainly use the highest BMI of the two sleepers as a baseline (in this case 22 BMI) and not their two BMI’s added together. In either case you both are well within the normal weight ranges and typically the weight is distributed on the entire contact surface quite evenly with some exceptions for people with heavier "areas" or who are more "active" on a mattress that can wear out materials a little faster than lighter, more evenly proportioned, or less active people in which case higher density foams than just the "minimum" guidelines can be more important. I would not have any durability concerns but just in case you wish to rule out some other factors that can affect durability you can peruse post #4 here or post #2 here .

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11 Jan 2019 14:06 #229 by Caeser

Hi Phoenix,

I tried to Fleep mattress and didn't find it comfortable, and I'm currently trying the Novosbed medium with the comfort+ firm topper and it seems better for me than just the mattress without the topper. I'm realizing that I need a firmer mattress to be comfortable. It's been a few days with the topper, but since it's foam do you think it will soften up once it gets "broken in"?

Also, I wanted to ask you your thoughts on two mattress I'm considering, the Logan and Cove firm and the Silk and Snow Hybrid. These are the specs for each:

Silk and Snow:
- 1'' 1.8 lbs density quilted cooling gel foam 1.8lbs density
- 1'' 3 lbs density gel memory foam
- 1'' 1.8 lbs high density foam
- 1000 pocket coils (Queen)

Logan and cove:
Pillow top:
- Silk blend fill
- 1'' 2.5 lbs cooling gel
- 1'' 1.8 lbs contouring eco foam

Mattress:
- 2'' 1.8 lbs supportive (?) eco foam
- 828 pocket coils (queen)

On the surface is looks like the Silk and Snow uses higher quality materials as they have a slightly denser gel foam and more pocket coils. I wanted to ask you:

- Is there a concern in either of these mattress for someone with an average BMI?

- Would the extra pocket coils be beneficial in terms of durability or comfort? They have the same gauge (13.5 in the top and bottom 3rd of the matress and 14.5 in the middle)

- Is there any concern with a silk blend fill pillow top? I've read that pillow tops tend to sag/compress over time, and I believe I read in one of your durability guidelines that quilted tops are generally more durable which the Silk and Snow has.

- Anything else you can speak to regarding these mattresses?

Thanks in advance.

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14 Jan 2019 08:55 - 14 Jan 2019 13:36 #230 by Sensei

Hi Caeser,

Thanks for the question and the information. All toppers will soften up in time regardless of construction, but it will be difficult to tell on a day to day basis, as it happens gradually. Also FYI, we will probably move this post to a more appropriate topic once you reply.

Here is a link regarding the durability / BMI / support for 12" hybrid Silk and Snow..... right here. This article discusses your concerns about the quality of

Regarding the question about support of coils:

In general the properties and support of a spring unit are given by many interrelated factors such as wire gauge - typically between 12 and 19 (the lower the gauge number the thicker the wire and the more firmer coil), the number of turns /wraps of coils (the more turns the softer the coil), the diameter and the number of coils (the higher the diameter the softer the spring), You do not list the gauge /diameter for a the S&S While none of the spring units would be the week link within a mattress in terms of durability all the layers work together and the pocket coil is part of the general design of the mattress and in this case I’d tend to focus on how well the mattress "as a whole" matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences)

Concern with a silk blend fill pillow top:

Yes, quilted pillow tops generally will sag less, but any pillow top made of fibers used in a quilting machine will compress over time. Whether it is silk, polyester, wool, cotton, etc, etc. They are comfortable when you lie on the mattress but will break down quickly...these fibers are not of the quality of high-end foam or latex to be so close to your body. Not saying they don't feel wonderful to many people, I am sure they do.

Thanks again
Sensei


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Last Edit: 14 Jan 2019 13:36 by Sensei.

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