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Assistance Needed in NJ 02 Jan 2012 14:28 #1

Dear Phoenix,

I would like your advice regarding mattress choice and names/locations of retailers/manufacturers in central NJ. My wife and I want to replace our 10 year old Chatham & Wells king that has more hills and valleys than a roller coaster. We are both side sleepers and neither of us have back problems. My wife is 5'2" and weighs 110 lbs. I am 5'8" and weigh 195 lbs. We were about to purchase a Serta Icomfort ("on sale") and I stumbled on your website and managed to persuade my wife to hold up. W were generally pleased with the feel of the Icomfort, although my wife felt that the firmness in her stomach area was of some concern (due to recent stomach surgery). I have read a fair amount on your website and am a bit overwhelmed by all of the information.

Can you give us some recommendations regarding mattress material and suggested sources? I don't think that we would be comfortable making a purchase without having seen candidates in person.

Thanks,

SteveO

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Re: Assistance Needed in NJ 02 Jan 2012 22:25 #2

Hi Stevio,

I think you are probably wise to hold up just a bit because you will probably end up with a much better mattress at a better price.

Your wife is much lighter so will probably need a mattress that has softer foam in the comfort layers than you will. She may also need and or prefer a slightly softer support layer as well. The lighter a person is ... the firmer a specific foam will feel compared to a heavier person. The "curviness" of a person, the overall body shape and weight distribution, and the relative width of the hips and shoulders can also make a difference in the best choices in terms of the thickness and softness of a comfort layer.

This may mean that some couples that are very different in their weight distribution and body shape will often do well with a "side to side" split construction which allows each side of a mattress to be custom layered to each person's needs and preferences within the same overall thickness. Another alternative is the use of materials that can adjust to a wider range of different weights and sleeping positions (such as latex in either the comfort layers of the layers immediately below this).

It would probably help to know which of the iComfort models you both preferred as they are very different in terms of their layering and feel.

There are also many mattress manufacturers and better outlets in the NJ, NY and the surrounding area and when I do a search for someone I also usually take a look at any local retail outlets that may be worthwhile including in your research so it would help me a lot and save me in some cases several hours if you could let me know your zip code or the closest town or city to where you are so I can limit what I include to 50 miles or so from a certain zip code or city.

Thanks for your post ... and as soon as I know where to begin looking from I will let you know any better outlets that I am aware of or discover in my ongoing research.

In the meantime there are a few threads which may be of interest and list some New Jersey manufacturers and outlets. They include Post #4 here (centered on Trenton, NJ.), and Post #2 here , and Post #2 here (centered on Butler, NJ.).

Hope this helps.

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Re: Assistance Needed in NJ 03 Jan 2012 11:21 #3

Phoenix,

Both of us preferred the iComfort Revolution King Plush.

We live in Monroe, NJ, about 10 miles east of Princeton and about 10 miles south of New Brunswick (zip code 08831).

I look forward to hearing from you.

SteveO

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Re: Assistance Needed in NJ 04 Jan 2012 00:24 #4

Hi Steveo,

I can see from your iComfort preference that you both prefer very "plush" mattresses since the Revolution has the thickest softest comfort layer of all their models.

I would personally hesitate to choose a mattress with a comfort layer that was this thick and soft (5 3/4") mainly because with comfort layers this thick made of memory foam you would be taking quite a risk with alignment ... particularly after the initial softening that memory foam (4 3/4") and polyfoam (1") goes through in the first few weeks of use. I would personally tend towards thinner layers of materials that allow you to sink in as easily as memory foam so that the support layers underneath can hold up your heavier parts (pelvic area) and keep you in alignment more effectively. Of course your own personal experience is more "accurate" than suggestions made without seeing you on a mattress however I would certainly pay particular attention to this.

This may also be part of the problem for your wife. This mattress is very soft on top so the issue of pressure on her stomach would not likely be because it wasn't soft enough but because her hips may be sinking in too deeply which means that there could be more pressure on her waist area than she is comfortable with (her waist is in firmer contact with the mattress because her hips are sinking in further than the ideal). Normally this is not an issue but in her case it could be the cause of the problem.

I would certainly experiment with other materials ... particularly softer latex or thinner layers of memory foam to see if your pressure relief needs on your side can be accommodated with thinner layers of memory foam or with other materials. Comfort layers that are both soft and thick can also cause the issues with hills and valleys over time as well, particularly in a king size mattress.

There is also quite a weight differential between the two of you so it may also be worthwhile testing a "split" construction where each side of the mattress is made differently to accommodate the needs of different sleepers. Independent manufacturers will often offer this at little or no extra charge.

In addition to the links above for various outlets ... this one which is centered on Trenton should also help and "complete" the list of manufacturers and outlets that are near you.

Out of the previous links (which has brief descriptions of the outlets) ... these are the factory direct manufacturers that are closest to Monroe, NJ ...

www.shovlinmattress.com/ Fanwood A member of this site.

www.chbeckley.com/ Bronx

www.croydonmattress.com/ Bensalum

keetsa.com/ New York

www.magicsleeper.net/ or www.mattressandfurniturestore.com/ Pottstown. A member of this site

www.mycustombedding.com/ Maplewood, Clark, and Manhattan

www.verlo.com/ Broomall

www.whitelotus.net/ Highland park


There are also some better retail outlets near you that are more retail direct in that they carry mattresses made by smaller independent manufacturers but don't have their own factory. Of this list ... Scott Jordan would likely be the one that was most worth talking to in terms of quality and value. Some of these offer high quality but also higher prices however their websites are also quite informative about the various mattresses they carry. NOTE ADDED: they are now a member of this site.

scottjordan.com/ New York. Retail direct outlet for Berkeley Ergonomics

www.thecleanbedroom.com/Showrooms.htm Retail direct outlet for Green Sleep, Sleeptek, Naturepedic, Royal-pedic, and Savvy Rest (choose your own layering). (NOTE ADDED June, 2016 ... The Clean Bedroom is now closed)

www.thebedroomgalleries.com/ Howell. Retail direct outlet for WJ Southard and Classic brands.

www.roomandboard.com/ Soho. Retail direct outlet for Restwell Mattresses.

www.chiromatic.com/ North Brunswick. Eastman House and Springwall.

I would probably first spend some time on their websites and particularly the factory direct manufacturers and scott jordan and then I would spend some telephone time talking to the ones that offered mattresses that were of interest to you and were in your price range. I would also ask specific questions about materials and prices on the phone to get a clear sense of which outlets were the most helpful and had the choices that you want to test. One of the most reliable signs of better manufacturers and outlets is their willingness to share good information with you over the phone rather than only providing information once you have become a captive audience inside their store.

From here ... I would choose the ones that were most attractive to you and pay them a visit.

Your general area has a lot of high quality manufacturers and there is a big variety of mattresses here in a wide range of budgets, materials, and construction methods, but there is no doubt in my mind that the quality and value available to you is much better than anything you could find in a major brand (such as Serta who makes the iComfort) or the more mass market and chain store outlets.

Phoenix
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Re: Assistance Needed in NJ 05 Jan 2012 07:16 #5

Thanks for the advice, Phoenix. Yesterday, we went to Chiromatic, only about 15 minutes from our house. We were escorted by Debbie, who said that she was the wife of the owner. She led us on a confusing, vague odyssey through various brands - Chiromatic, Eastman House among others. When I asked to see the specs on the mattress materials, she was very vague. She offered to speak to you if you call her. When we expressed some preference for an Eastman spring-based, latex pillow top, she offered to make it for us with Chiromatic specifications. Both of us were uncomfortable with the shopping experience. I won't rule out a trip back, but I want to look into other local manufacturers first.

What is your opinion regarding Habitat Furnishings line of all-latex mattresses (3 models)?

Regards,

SteveO

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Re: Assistance Needed in NJ 05 Jan 2012 11:13 #6

One additional request. Could you please take a look at Croydonmattress' line of latex/foam mattresses at www.croydonmattress.com/shopsite/foam-mattresses.html ? This seems to be the only company in the area that gives a pretty complete set of info re prices/specs on their offerings. I would like your advice as to which of the choices might fit us the best. I'm planning to call two other locations from your list as well to get further info.

Thanks,

SteveO

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Re: Assistance Needed in NJ 05 Jan 2012 23:02 #7

Hi Steveo,

This will be a longer post and I thought I might help you narrow down the list a bit :)

Re: Chiromatic, North Brunswick, NJ

I have talked with Chiromatic on a few occasions over time and the conversations I have had were also on the confusing side and less than fully transparent. They take the more "medical" approach to mattress shopping and tend not to go into any specifics on the phone and in my experience when an appointment is required to visit a showroom that it's usually a sign for "expensive". It certainly sets up an environment that feels more like a doctors visit than mattress shopping. While I listed them because they can make custom adjustments to their mattresses, they are more a "retail direct" outlet. They would not be my first choice and I am not particularly comfortable with their approach.

Re: Habitat, Online

A quick comment would be "good quality but I would make some careful value comparisons". While they may compare well to national brands or mass market retailers ... they are more than many local manufacturers or other online manufacturers or retailers (including several of the members of this site) that use either similar or higher cost materials, have more options available both before and after a purchase, and sell them at a lower price.

Re: Croydon Mattress, Bensalum, PA

They seem to me to be producing good quality mattresses but I would have some questions that I would want to answer before before I could form a better opinion about their value. In a brief conversation with them I got the sense that they are not as materials focused as I would personally like to see and I would want to know the density of any polyfoam they are using, the type of latex they are using, and the density of any memory foam they are using. While they would IMO represent better value that similar mattresses that were available at mass market outlets ... they don't seem to be in the same value range as many other factory direct manufacturers that I have talked with and I would want to talk with him more and ask some further questions (that I had some difficulty getting answers to) before I felt completely comfortable with them. I personally don't understand why a mattress that is selling for well over $2000 (queen) would use 2" of 1.5 or 1.8 lb less expensive polyfoam in a quilting layer over either memory foam or latex. I am also curious why they are in some cases adding thick layers of polyfoam under a mattress that doesn't seem to need it (as in the Heavenly Sweet Dream). Overall I would want more information than I currently have to understand their design ideas and justify their prices in comparison to other factory directs.

In terms of a specific recommendation on a mattress ... testing a mattress for pressure relief and support is a far more accurate method of knowing what is most suitable than more generic suggestions based on what I call "theory at a distance". Some general guidelines that may help you are in the overview here , in the sleeping positions page here and in the personal statistics page here.

If you have any specific feedback or questions from testing a certain mattress and need any help in translating what it may be "pointing" to ... I'd certainly be happy to help but most local manufacturers are very good at this and can do it in "real time" while you are in the showroom. The most important part is to make sure the person you are working with has your interests and long term satisfaction in mind more than their desire to earn a profit and commission. Because personal needs and preferences are so unique ... actual testing with the guidance of someone who knows how their mattresses are made and how to "fit" a mattress to a person is always the best way to decide "which model" may be best once you have some basic guidelines of where to start.

This first group includes the members here that would include many of the better quality/value choices within about 50 miles of Monroe Township and would be a good place to start your research.

www.shovlinmattress.com/ Fanwood, NJ. Factory direct local manufacturer that makes a wide range of latex and innerspring mattresses that use high quality materials. They are knowledgeable and transparent and are a member of this site.

scottjordan.com/ New York, NY. Retail outlet for Berkeley Ergonomics mattresses which are high quality mattresses that include latex, pocket coil, and microcoil options. They are knowledgeable and transparent and they are also a member of this site.

www.urbannatural.com Paramus, NJ. They are also a retail outlet for Berkeley Ergonomics mattresses and are knowledgeable and transparent as well and are also a member of this site.

Nest Beding New York, NY. They are a member of this site and are knowledgeable, experienced, and transparent and carry a range of mattresses including latex, memory foam, and latex and memory foam/pocket coil hybrids that have good quality/value.

From the list I posted earlier ...

www.chbeckley.com/ Bronx, NY

www.mycustombedding.com/ Clark, NJ

These are more premium manufacturers who specialize in old style construction techniques that use a lot of natural fibers, hand tufting, and other more labor intensive hand building techniques in their mattresses. They are very high quality but are not for everyone and their prices will reflect this. These are the types of construction methods and materials (like horsehair) that you don't see a lot these days and while they are certainly in the higher price range ... for those who are looking for this type of mattress it's really nice that they are being made locally and they represent good value compared to some other larger manufacturers of similar mattresses who charge much more for this type of construction.

Some other options with a wide variety of choices and materials (and price ranges) include ...

Other Manufacturers:

www.charlesprogers.com/ New York, NY and East Rutherford, NJ. Local manufacturer that makes a line of innerspring and memory foam mattresses (and make their own innersprings) including a latex/innerspring hybrid. They have told me that they are transparent about the materials they use but unfortunately when I asked for specifics I confirmed they don't disclose the density of the polyfoam they use in their mattresses so there really isn't any way to know the quality/durability of their materials or make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses. This lack of transparency is fairly unusual with smaller independent manufacturers. Some of their mattresses are made in China and some (the Power Core mattresses) are made at their factory in NJ.

www.helixsleep.com/nycshowroom New York. NY. They make a single mattress that can be customized in many different ways to suit the needs and preferences of different people. They are normally sold online and you can see some comments about their mattress in post #2 here in the simplified choice mattress topic but they also have a showroom in New York City where you can test the different combinations in person.

www.wrightbedding.com/ New York, NY. They make a single mattress that is normally sold online but they also have a showroom in Lafayette so that those that are in the local area can test them in person. They use 1.5" of 5 lb memory foam on top of 2" of 3 lb high performance polyfoam on top of 1.5" of 4 lb high performance polyfoam (the high performance polyfoam layers have similar properties to memory foam without the slow response) on top of a 6" 2.4 lb polyfoam base layer which are all very high quality and durable materials that would be suitable for any weight range.

caspersleep.com/ New York, NY. They make a single simplified choice mattress. They are usually sold online but they have an office in New York so those that are local can test their mattresses in person.

www.whitelotus.net/ Highland Park, NJ & other NY Retailer locations. They produce some very high quality mattresses and futons using mostly latex, cotton, and wool. These are a much more legitimate "natural" choice but because of their extensive use of wool and cotton with their latex, their prices are more than some latex only styles of mattress which only have a wool quilting. They very nice and have good value and are well worth considering given the materials that they use but are not a "budget" mattress.

www.ikea.com/us/en/ Elizabeth, NJ. Brooklyn, NY. Makes a few "better" value mattresses including some mostly natural Dunlop and some innerspring latex hybrids. See post #3 here for more about which may be better quality/value.

www.comfortbeddinginc.com/ Brooklyn, NY. Mainly a wholesale manufacturer in Brooklyn but has a factory direct showroom in Brooklyn. They sell a range of innerspring mattresses in low/mid budget ranges. No latex and their memory foam is mostly low density.

keetsa.com/ New York, NY. A smaller national manufacturer which is part of the Zinus group which are manufactured in China. They have a somewhat exaggerated "green" focus and are certainly using materials such as polyfoam and memory foam which IMO can't legitimately be called natural or green in any variation. They also use mid grade foams in their mattresses and their pricing, while better than some, is also not in the same ballpark as most local manufacturers and seems to include a premium based on their questionable "green" story.

Retailers:

www.thecleanbedroom.com/ Summit, NJ. New York, NY. They are a retail outlet that carries several very high quality premium latex mattresses but also have some premium prices. The Savvy Rest and some of the others including Green Sleep are "choose your own layer" mattresses and are a great way to test out the feel of various different types of latex layering. (NOTE ADDED: They closed in June, 2016 but they are now under new ownership and have reopened their New York store and will gradually open some of their other stores as well)

www.thebedroomgalleries.com/ Howell, NJ. The WJ Southard here are somewhat comparable to white lotus in that they also tend to use more natural fibers in their mattresses. Their Classic Brands mattresses are more of a "budget" smaller national brand although they can also have good value depending on their price.

www.hibernatebedding.com/ Bernardsville, NJ. Retailer that carries Savvy Rest component latex mattresses as well as OMI and Paramount mattresses.

www.longsbedding.com/ New York, NY. Retail outlet that carries a wide range of mattresses including premium (and some ultra premium) and their own house brand. There are some very high quality choices here but also some very high prices so make sure you are making good "value comparisons" if you go here.

theorganicnest.com/ Retailer in Bernardsville, NJ. Carry several high quality latex mattresses and an innerspring/natural fiber mattress made by Land & Sky.

www.roomandboard.com/ New York, NY They are also a retail outlet that sells Restwell mattresses which have a range of memory foam, latex, and innerspring mattresses. While they too offer better value than most national brands and chain stores IMO ... they are also not in the same value range as most local factory direct manufacturers. Make sure you check foam density with any mattresses that use polyfoam or memory foam in the comfort layers.

unitedbedding.com/ Wholesale manufacturer in Plainfield, NJ that makes Ditex and Rex brand mattresses and many house brands in the area as well. They make some better quality/value mattresses including memory foam (and gel memory foam), innerspring/polyfoam, and polyfoam mattresses. They will provide foam specs to their retailers so consumers can make meaningful comparisons with their mattresses and have a retail store finder on their site.

puretalalaybliss.com/ Is a national manufacturer of some high quality Talalay latex mattresses and their retail store finder can provide you with the retailers that carry them that are closest to you.

Other nearby lists (with some overlap) are post #2 here which includes the better options and possibilities I'm aware of in and around the larger New York City area, post #4 here which includes the Philadelphia/Wilmington/Trenton area, and post #2 here also includes some other good options in the south CT area.

For most consumers and more "typical" budgets ... the first group of 5 likely represents the best selection and value on the list and is where most people would probably do best focusing their efforts. They all use good quality materials, have good service, are knowledgeable about the materials they use, helpful with their customers, and offer good value. The others may have some good options as well depending on each person's specific criteria, preferences, or budget range.

I hope this helps to "narrow down" the list.

Phoenix
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Assistance Needed in South Brunswick NJ 08852 03 Feb 2013 02:44 #8

Hi Phoenix !

I'm looking for a latex mattress retail store near South Brunswick .
Thanks to this forum I can see 2 options "The Clean Bedroom" and "Sleepworks", both in NY.
Would you please tell me if there is another good store to consider and who would be offering more manufacturers to try and choose from?

Thank you so much in advance for your help and congratulations for such a good job !

Carlos

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Assistance Needed in South Brunswick NJ 08852 03 Feb 2013 04:52 #9

Hi Petreape,

Post #7 here (which you may have already seen because its in this thread) has the better options I'm aware of.

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Re: Assistance Needed in NJ 09 Jan 2014 05:15 #10

Thanks Phoenix. There is a place in No. NJ called Westwood Sleep Center (2 places ... Westwood and Midland Park NJ) that I want to visit - they 'say' they have several latex mattresses to try -- will let you know. And the place in Fanwood may be the most convenient for us after that. More and we learn more!

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