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Where to start in Sioux Falls, South Dakota? 04 Oct 2015 09:08 #21

Hi Quickstrike,

Synergy core not sure on density or thickness but appears to be good quality and has a lifetime warranty. 3"Duron Latex with 1"Omniflow and a Eucalyptus stretch fabric


Unfortunately you can't see or feel the quality/durability of a material and or tell by its appearance and the information you listed doesn't provide any meaningful information about the quality or durability of the materials in your mattress.

You would need to know the density of the Synergy core (which is probably polyurethane), the type and blend of the Duron latex (and I would confirm that the law tag includes latex as well) and while the omniflow layer is only 1", I would want to know the density of this layer as well.

Without this information you would be making a blind purchase without having any way to confirm the quality and durability of the materials in your mattress.

NOTE ADDED: I have talked with Chad and have confirmed that none of the materials in any of the Beds by Design mattresses are either synthetic or natural latex and they are versions of polyfoam. Some of the materials are high performance polyfoams that are certainly a good quality material and have many of the properties of latex but are less costly than "real" latex (synthetic or natural).

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Where to start in Sioux Falls, South Dakota? 04 Oct 2015 10:23 #22

I can ask but I trust that it's quality based on their reputation

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Where to start in Sioux Falls, South Dakota? 04 Oct 2015 10:28 #23

Hi Quickstrike,

I can ask but I trust that it's quality based on their reputation


I would never buy a mattress based on "trust" ... only based on factual information that a manufacturer or retailer is willing to disclose. If a manufacturer or retailer isn't transparent and willing to disclose the information you need to make an informed choice then there really isn't any reason to "trust" that a mattress would be a good quality and durable choice since in terms of durability a mattress is only as good as its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label.

Knowing the type and quality of the materials and components in a mattress also makes it possible to make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses.

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Where to start in Sioux Falls, South Dakota? 04 Oct 2015 11:32 #24

We haven't paid for it yet but did a sales order and took home the dog bed they threw in. I'll go down and ask them since they don't disclose it in any of their videos or on the sales floor.

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Where to start in Sioux Falls, South Dakota? 04 Oct 2015 11:35 #25

I also purchased a bed from Beds by Design yesterday. (The Reverie is getting returned, more on that later.) I showed Neil this thread and he called the owner, Chad. The two of us talked for over 20 minutes about his products. He liked how interested I was, and he remembered a phone call with Phoenix 2-3 years ago. (I made sure he understood that I came to his store because of this site.)

He was transparent with me about what products he uses, where he gets them, and why he chooses them. He didn't have all the details at his fingertips, but was willing to email them to me. I explained that hiding behind a term like "Duron" is hindering him, because it obscures the actual material for consumers who want to know (like me) and allows Comfort King to attack their business by calling Duron "mystery foam" and conflating it with cheap poly. He understood that and promised to answer my questions by email.

So, Phoenix, help me write my email questions. What info would satisfy you of the quality of their materials?

Kind regards,
David

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Where to start in Sioux Falls, South Dakota? 04 Oct 2015 11:45 #26

Hi dbergan,

So, Phoenix, help me write my email questions. What info would satisfy you of the quality of their materials?


You could just send him a copy of this article which describes the information you would need to know to make an informed choice.

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Where to start in Sioux Falls, South Dakota? 04 Oct 2015 12:04 #27

Yea I've never heard Chad or any of their reps say specific details on their products. I was leaning towards CK because of it and their detailed videos but the wife helped convince me I was making a good decision. We haven't paid for it yet because I wanted to buy the King headboard and I'm waiting on a refund for a $1k vet bill so I have room on my citi card. Our dog loves the dog bed lol and they threw in a lot of extras.

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Where to start in Sioux Falls, South Dakota? 04 Oct 2015 12:50 #28

I dread going down there to ask but at the same time don't want to pay $3k for an inferior product....

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Where to start in Sioux Falls, South Dakota? 04 Oct 2015 12:54 #29

Hi Quickstrike,

I dread going down there to ask but at the same time don't want to pay $3k for an inferior product....


You have every right to know about the specifics of the materials in any mattress you purchase so that you can confirm the quality and durability of the materials and make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses ... especially in the budget range you are looking at.

While some information can legitimately be considered to be proprietary to a manufacturer ... there are many manufacturers that claim that the information you would need to make an informed choice is also somehow "proprietary" but I certainly wouldn't agree. You can read a little more about "so called" proprietary materials and using this as a justification for not disclosing what I would consider to be essential information here and here and here .

NOTE ADDED: I have talked with Chad and have confirmed that none of the materials in any of the Beds by Design mattresses are either synthetic or natural latex and they are versions of polyfoam. Some of the materials are high performance polyfoams that are certainly a good quality material and have many of the properties of latex but are less costly than "real" latex (synthetic or natural).

Phoenix
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Where to start in Sioux Falls, South Dakota? 04 Oct 2015 13:24 #30

OK. CK claims they use 1.8 lb. density in all their foams and real latex. Is there a way to tell or this on the law tag you describe?

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