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Hi,
I've been looking for an innerspring hybrid with latex, not memory foam. My husband and are both over 50, and big (he: 280 lbs) and side sleepers. We bought a S & F 14 years ago that's still harder than a rock and after waking up with numb hips and shoulders for a few years we have made it work by putting a 4" memory foam on top of it.

But now we're moving and ready for a new mattress. We want to go to a King size. I've been considering the Charles P. Rogers Powercore Estate 9000. The CPR salesman (via phone) recommended the Nano, with the micropocketed coils for extra comfort. It's more expense on an already pretty expensive mattress but the coils sound nice. They have a NANO2 with two layers of micro coils. I wonder if it's worth it. We like soft surfaces but need good support.

(1) What are micro coils like and is the Nano a real step up?
(2) I'm reading a lot of helpful posts here about the CPR 9000 but almost exclusively from people who are THINKING about buying one. Is there anyone on here who actually OWNS one and could tell me how it's working for them?
(3) I havent' found a latex+innerspring besides the big "S' manufacturers and Charles Rogers. Is there a brand out there I'm missing?

HERE"S THE INFO ON THE POWERCORE 9000
ESTATE 9000 LUXURY PLUSH
15-1/2" thick
Active Powercore 2™ spring unit
Comfort padding is double thick extra firm Pure Talalay Latex with added soft layer of Pure Talalay Latex and a layer of genuine latex gel.
340 gram circular knit with 25 mm hypo-allergenic quilt padding, Woven fabric border and gusset with handles on all 4 sides
AND HERE"S THE INFO ON THE POWERCORE NANO
14-1/4" thick
Active Powercore 2™ spring unit
Comfort padding:
Soft layer of Pure Talalay Latex on top
+ Extra firm Pure Talalay Latex comfort layer
+ 25mm/2500 (queen) nano coil comfort layer
340 gram circular knit with 25 mm hypo-allergenic quilt padding, Woven fabric border and gusset with handles on all 4 sides

We would be buying online. We have little choice. The mattress store near me sell only the huge "S" brands or highly specialized custom organics I can't afford and that don't work for us

Thanks

Hi mabelle,

I've been looking for an innerspring hybrid with latex, not memory foam. My husband and are both over 50, and big (he: 280 lbs) and side sleepers. We bought a S & F 14 years ago that's still harder than a rock and after waking up with numb hips and shoulders for a few years we have made it work by putting a 4" memory foam on top of it.

Just in case you haven't read it yet ... the first place I would start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists (based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you).

There is also more information in post #3 here and the posts it links to that would be helpful for those that are in higher weight ranges. While the process of how to choose a mattress would be the same ... most people in higher weight ranges will generally need or prefer firmer mattresses (firmer materials will feel softer because you will sink into them more) and materials and components that are higher quality and more durable (the materials and components in a mattress will soften and break down faster for those in higher weight ranges than they will for someone that is in a lower weight range that doesn't compress the mattress as much).

But now we're moving and ready for a new mattress. We want to go to a King size. I've been considering the Charles P. Rogers Powercore Estate 9000. The CPR salesman (via phone) recommended the Nano, with the micropocketed coils for extra comfort. It's more expense on an already pretty expensive mattress but the coils sound nice. They have a NANO2 with two layers of micro coils. I wonder if it's worth it. We like soft surfaces but need good support.

(1) What are micro coils like and is the Nano a real step up?

You can read more about microcoils (or nanocoils) that are used in comfort layers in this article and in post #8 here and post #2 here . They would be a durable choice that can work well for those that prefer the more springy feel of microcoils in the comfort layers of their mattress.

It would certainly be a "step up" in terms of cost but it may not be a "step up" in terms of "value" because this would depend on whether it was a better "match" for you in terms of comfort and PPP and on which mattress you would sleep best on (the price of a mattress not a good indication of whether you will sleep better on a mattress or whether it would be a better "match" for you)

(2) I'm reading a lot of helpful posts here about the CPR 9000 but almost exclusively from people who are THINKING about buying one. Is there anyone on here who actually OWNS one and could tell me how it's working for them?

Hopefully some of the members here that have purchased the CPR Estate 9000 will see your post and share their comments but I would keep in mind that while other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful ... I would also be very cautious about about using other people's experiences or reviews on a mattress (either positive or negative) as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you and in many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because any mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range) and reviews in general certainly won't tell you much if anything about the quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

(3) I havent' found a latex+innerspring besides the big "S' manufacturers and Charles Rogers. Is there a brand out there I'm missing?

If you tend to prefer innerspring/latex hybrid mattresses (and there are many who do ... see post #13 here ), outside of any other local options that may be available to you some of the better innerspring/latex options I'm aware of are listed in post #2 here that may also be worth considering.

HERE"S THE INFO ON THE POWERCORE 9000
ESTATE 9000 LUXURY PLUSH
15-1/2" thick
Active Powercore 2™ spring unit
Comfort padding is double thick extra firm Pure Talalay Latex with added soft layer of Pure Talalay Latex and a layer of genuine latex gel.
340 gram circular knit with 25 mm hypo-allergenic quilt padding, Woven fabric border and gusset with handles on all 4 sides
AND HERE"S THE INFO ON THE POWERCORE NANO
14-1/4" thick
Active Powercore 2™ spring unit
Comfort padding:
Soft layer of Pure Talalay Latex on top
+ Extra firm Pure Talalay Latex comfort layer
+ 25mm/2500 (queen) nano coil comfort layer
340 gram circular knit with 25 mm hypo-allergenic quilt padding, Woven fabric border and gusset with handles on all 4 sides

There are more complete specs for the Estate Powercore 9000 and some comments about it (and Charles P Rogers in general) in post #2 here .

We would be buying online. We have little choice. The mattress store near me sell only the huge "S" brands or highly specialized custom organics I can't afford and that don't work for us

If you let me know your city or zip code I'd also be happy to let you know about any of the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area (just in case there is a retailer or manufacturer that is relatively close to you that you're not aware of that may be worth considering).

Phoenix

Thanks, Phoenix. I think I've found all the local shops but if there's something I'm missing. Anything 50 miles of 66102.

Hi Mabelle,

Anything 50 miles of 66102.

The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Kansas City area (subject to making sure that any mattress you are considering meets your criteria and the quality/value guidelines that I linked in my last reply) are listed in post #2 here .

Phoenix

Thanks. There's one on there I didn't know about and looks like a great place to start.

Hi. I don't know if you made a decision on a mattress yet or not, but in case this is helpful, I bought a CPR Powercore Estate 7000 last fall. I'm 5'7 and about 140 lbs and my husband is 5'9 about 180 lbs. I live in NYC so I was able to test the mattress in store. The 9000 was softer, but not by that much, so I decided to go for the 7000. After sleeping on it for a couple months and even rotating it, I found the mattress to be too hard for me. I would sometimes wake up with a painful lower back. When I was lying on my back, the curve of my back didn't completely touch the mattress. My husband was okay. CPR told us the mattress would become softer over time, but towards the end of the 90 day period it was still pretty hard. We went back to the store to see if the 9000 might be a better option and then saw the Nano and Nano 2, which had not been available previously. We ended up switching to the Nano 2. Delivery took awhile because I think production was backordered, but we finally got it and have been sleeping on it for a few weeks now. I definitely sleep much better. It feels more like a luxury mattress. It's plush but also supportive. There are moments when I think it might be a tad too plush, but then I quickly fall asleep and wake up without any pain. So far, so good. My husband usually goes to bed before I do, and when I climb into bed, as long as I don't jump on the bed, he doesn't wake up. The Nano2 we got is brown, not blue like in the website photo. Not sure if they are still making the blue ones, but we specifically wanted brown because we had a brown box spring from the Powercore 7000, and wanted it to match. Although once the mattress cover and sheets are on, I guess it doesn't really matter.

Hi okada,

Thanks for taking the time to share your comments and feedback about your new Nano 2 mattress ... I appreciate it.

While "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) or what "feels like" luxury" are unique to each person and a mattress that one person sleeps well on may be unsuitable for someone else to sleep on ... your mattress certainly uses high quality materials and components and there are no lower quality materials or weak links that would compromise the durability or useful life of your mattress.

Once you have gone through the break in and adjustment period (see post #3 here ) and you are sleeping well without any discomfort or "symptoms" over the course of the night or when you wake up in the morning ... then because of the durability of the materials and components it would be reasonable to expect that you will be sleeping well for many more years to come.

Most importantly ... congratulations on your new mattress

Phoenix

Okada thank you for your post. I have not found anyone who owns the Nano 2 yet and I was on the fence about getting it, but now I think I will go ahead and make the purchase.

Let me know if you have any additional thoughts on the Nano 2.

Hi planetship,

While other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful, I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about about using anyone else's suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own personal preferences) may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words ... reviews or other people's experiences in general won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

The Nano 2 uses good quality materials and components so there are no lower quality materials or weak links that would compromise the durability or useful life of the mattress but the suitability of a mattress and the durability of the materials are completely separate issues so I would make sure that you have done some careful testing on the mattress (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) to make sure that the mattress is a good "match" for your own specific needs and preferences.

Phoenix

Phoenix,

I do realize that there are many factors that go into purchasing any product that costs thousands of dollars. However in this case, I am simply not willing to go out and conduct exhaustive research or testing in order to evaluate exactly which mattress suits me and my wife "the best". From what I have learned about mattresses in particular, in order to conduct a meaningful test according to the standards you are suggesting, I would need to own and sleep on every single mattress I am considering for at least a week to determine if it is the "right" mattress for me. Spending 15 or 30 minutes on a mattress in a store provides me with very little meaningful data with which to draw conclusions. I have done it before and at the end of the day all of the mattresses end up feeling the same. I simply have neither the time nor the capital to invest in such an arduous and frustrating process. Therefore, I am limited to using the opinions and experiences of others when selecting certain products.

The fact is that there is simply no good way to arrive at an informed decision concerning mattress shopping. You can't trust the high pressure brick and mortar stores, and if what you say is true, then you can't really "trust" what other people online have to say either. It completely baffles me that this website exists for the sole purpose of people being able to write about their mattress experiences and purchases, yet you tell me and others to be wary of individual opinions. I don't understand.