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Casper vs T&F vs Leesa 11 Nov 2015 10:51 #1

Just bought a new house and looking for a new king mattress for my girlfriend and I. We have tested mattresses in mattress & furniture stores, but through research know not to buy there. We know that we like the feel of hybrid mattresses, and tend to lean towards the firmer side of the scale.

After researching we've narrowed it down to the three mattresses above, which all seem very similar to us. Does anybody have any thoughts around which of these three would be the best? Any additional insight would be incredibly helpful.

Thanks,
Tony

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Casper vs T&F vs Leesa 11 Nov 2015 12:52 #2

Hi NightManCometh,

We have tested mattresses in mattress & furniture stores, but through research know not to buy there.


There may be some great quality/value mattresses available locally and I certainly wouldn't arbitrarily rule the better local options or possibilities that may be available to you.

If you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

I'm assuming that you've read the mattress shopping tutorial which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that you will need to make the best possible choice ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

After researching we've narrowed it down to the three mattresses above, which all seem very similar to us. Does anybody have any thoughts around which of these three would be the best? Any additional insight would be incredibly helpful.


The first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" or PPP or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more accurate than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

While other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful ... I would also be very cautious about about using other people's experiences or reviews on a mattress (either positive or negative) as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you and in many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because any mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range) and reviews in general certainly won't tell you much if anything about the quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

There are also no "standard" definitions or consensus of opinions for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others so a mattress that one manufacturer rates as being a specific firmness could be rated very differently by another manufacturer. Different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel like "medium" for someone else or even "soft" for someone else (or vice versa) depending on their body type, sleeping style, physiology, their frame of reference based on what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. There are also different types of firmness and softness that different people may be sensitive to that can affect how they "rate" a mattress as well (see post #15 here ) so different people can also have very different opinions on how two mattresses compare in terms of firmness and some people may rate one mattress as being firmer than another and someone else may rate them the other way around. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science.

In other words there is no "best mattress" in general terms ... there is only "best for you" (regardless of whether the same mattress would be "best" for anyone else). The "bottom line" is that the only way to know whether any mattress is a good match (or at least a "good enough" match) for you in terms of PPP or how it compares to another mattress for you (regardless of whether someone else would have a different opinion about how two mattresses compare) will be based on your own personal comparisons and/or experience.

I'm not sure which mattress you mean by "T&F" but I'm guessing that you probably mean Tuft & Needle.

There is more about what I call simplified choice mattresses in general in post #1 here and there is more information about the type and quality of the materials in all the mattresses you are considering in the "simplified choice" category in post #2 here in the same topic. Forum searches on Casper and on Leesa and on Tuft Needle (you can just click the links) will also bring up many more comments and feedback about each of them.

I would always keep in mind that the only reliable way to know for certain whether any mattress or combination of materials will be a good "match" for you in terms of "feel", "comfort", firmness, and PPP will be based on your own personal experience but when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

Phoenix
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