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100% Natural Talalay Latex 22 Nov 2015 17:00 #1

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Hi Pheonix,
I would like your opinion on this statement I found on the Nature"s Embrace website

Is there such a thing as 100% natural Talalay latex?
No. The Talalay process was specifically designed to take advantage of the uniform chemical and physical properties of synthetic latex. The simplest way to prove this fact is that no Talalay latex has ever been certified organic under the GOLS standard. The reason for that is simple: the GOLS standard forbids the use of synthetic latex.

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 22 Nov 2015 17:41 #2

Hi MFC Memory Foam Comfort,

I would like your opinion on this statement I found on the Nature"s Embrace website

Is there such a thing as 100% natural Talalay latex?
No. The Talalay process was specifically designed to take advantage of the uniform chemical and physical properties of synthetic latex. The simplest way to prove this fact is that no Talalay latex has ever been certified organic under the GOLS standard. The reason for that is simple: the GOLS standard forbids the use of synthetic latex.


You can see my comments about "100% natural latex" in the first part of post #2 here .

They are correct that there isn't any certified organic Talalay latex but that certainly doesn't mean that there isn't any 100% natural Talalay (meaning that 100% of the rubber is natural and doesn't contain any synthetic rubber ... not that 100% of the latex core is rubber).

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 23 Nov 2015 14:38 #3

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Hi Phoenix,
Thanks for the reply, do you have any idea why there is no organic talalaly available? If Dunlop can source organic latex, why cant the Talalay manufacturers do the same?

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 23 Nov 2015 17:05 #4

Hi MFC Memory Foam Comfort,

do you have any idea why there is no organic talalaly available? If Dunlop can source organic latex, why cant the Talalay manufacturers do the same?


It could be for quite a number of reasons but of course I don't know the specific reasons that either one of the Talalay latex producers don't make it. One of them may be that the sources of raw natural latex they are using isn't organic and they don't believe that any benefits of sourcing from organic plantations would be worth any extra cost involved, there may not be enough organic certified raw latex available to meet their production needs, there could be something in the production process they are using that wouldn't meet all the organic certification criteria, they may believe that producing organic Talalay wouldn't provide any legitimate benefits that would justify the additional cost (such as separating the blended Talalay production lines from any organic production lines), or there could be a number of other reasons that they just aren't interested in either the manufacturing or certification process or expense that would be involved in producing certified organic Talalay in the first place because any benefits wouldn't be worthwhile to them.

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 24 Nov 2015 14:50 #5

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Hi Phoenix!

The next question that comes to mind is, how does one know he is buying 100% Natural Talalay latex, and not the blended version?
Is there something on the latex itself that identifies it?
Do you know which talalay manufacturer that produce it?
Any reputable retailers you can recommend that you are certain that this is what they sell?

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 24 Nov 2015 15:20 #6

Hi MFC Memory Foam Comfort

The next question that comes to mind is, how does one know he is buying 100% Natural Talalay latex, and not the blended version?
Is there something on the latex itself that identifies it?
Do you know which talalay manufacturer that produce it?


Unless you have a mattress with a zip cover that gives you access to the individual layers and there are any identifying stickers or markings on the layers that would identify the materials (which may or may not be the case) you would be dependent on trusting the reputation, integrity, and knowledge of the manufacturer or retailer you purchased it from. The same would be true about any type of mattress and the materials inside it because if a manufacturer or retailer really wanted to deceive their customers about what is inside their mattresses they certainly could since most consumers wouldn't have the knowledge or experience to be able to identify the specifics of the materials inside any mattress they purchase.

Any reputable retailers you can recommend that you are certain that this is what they sell?


I would certainly trust the members here and I recommend them "as a group" although there are also many other manufacturers or retailers that are mentioned in the various forum lists that I also think highly of and would trust as well.

Post #4 here also has a list of the better online sources I'm aware of for individual components and materials that include different types and blends of latex as well and there is also a list for manufacturers and retailers that ship across Canada (including yourself) in post #21 here .

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 24 Nov 2015 15:42 #7

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Hi Phoenix,

Thanks for your reply, so if I understand correctly, the only way to make sure you are getting 100% Natural Talalay is by trusting the reputation, integrity, and knowledge of the manufacturer or retailer you purchased it from! I think the industry needs to adapt and supply some form of certification, or labeling of the latex, so that we can be certain of what we are buying. I am aware the the natural Talalay is expensive to produce, and actually quite rare, however when you search for it online it seams to be easily available, and sometimes for less money than the blended.

How about manufacturers, we are looking at buying some 100% Natural talalay latex, and I would like your recommendations

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 24 Nov 2015 16:00 #8

Hi MFC Memory Foam Comfort,

Thanks for your reply, so if I understand correctly, the only way to make sure you are getting 100% Natural Talalay is by trusting the reputation, integrity, and knowledge of the manufacturer or retailer you purchased it from! I think the industry needs to adapt and supply some form of certification, or labeling of the latex, so that we can be certain of what we are buying. I am aware the the natural Talalay is expensive to produce, and actually quite rare, however when you search for it online it seams to be easily available, and sometimes for less money than the blended.


Regardless of any certifications or information that a manufacturer or retailer provides you a manufacturer or retailer that wanted to could still deceive you by using materials in their mattress that are different from the information they provided you. Even if every layer in a mattress was identified on the layer itself they could still change the sticker on the layer.

In the end there is no way to avoid trusting someone when you are purchasing a mattress. This is why I have often mentioned that the knowledge, experience, and integrity of the retailer or manufacturer you are purchasing from can be one of the most important parts of a successful mattress purchase.

How about manufacturers, we are looking at buying some 100% Natural talalay latex, and I would like your recommendations


If you are looking at purchasing 100% natural talalay then there are only two options available. One is Radium in Holland and the other is Talalay Global (formerly Latex International) in the US. You would either need to order directly from either of them (assuming that you meet their minimum volume requirements and/or they can provide the specific layer thicknesses that you are looking for) or find a reliable wholesale supplier or fabricator that you trust that sells them in smaller amounts or in the thicknesses and firmnesses that you require.

The suggestions I made in my previous reply would only apply to retail purchases but not to manufacturers that are looking to purchase 100% natural Talalay in wholesale quantities.

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 25 Nov 2015 15:52 #9

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Hi Phoenix,

Regardless of any certifications or information that a manufacturer or retailer provides you a manufacturer or retailer that wanted to could still deceive you by using materials in their mattress that are different from the information they provided you. Even if every layer in a mattress was identified on the layer itself they could still change the sticker on the layer.


I still think they could embed a code in the 100% natural latex so that it can be identified by consumers.

On another note, I would like your comments on the Cradle to Cradle silver certification
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1-It seams the 100% Natural Talalay does not meet VOC emissions testing requirements
2-And is rated Moderately problematic, but acceptable for use

These issues seam worrisome for a product labelled as 100% natural?
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100% Natural Talalay Latex 25 Nov 2015 16:35 #10

Hi MFC Memory Foam Comfort

On another note, I would like your comments on the Cradle to Cradle silver certification


I'm not familiar enough with it to make any particularly meaningful comments and I haven't compared it in any detail to other certifications in terms of the allowable limits or standards but on the face of it it certainly appears to be a legitimate certification both for human safety and for environmental safety and sustainability.

1-It seams the 100% Natural Talalay does not meet VOC emissions testing requirements
2-And is rated Moderately problematic, but acceptable for use


I'm not clear which testing requirements you are referring to here. Both of the Talalay manufacturers meet the Oeko-Tex standard 100 requirements for organic volatiles which are .5 mg/m3 which is the same as the Total VOC limit for the Cradle to Cradle Gold and Platinum certification.

If you can link to the information you are referring to about being "moderately problematic" it would probably be helpful.

These issues seam worrisome for a product labelled as 100% natural?
your thoughts?


If any issues are worrisome to any particular person based on any specific criteria that are important parts of their personal value equation then they would probably avoid that specific material. I personally don't have any concerns about any type or blend of latex in terms of its "safety".

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