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Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver - soft option compared to other "medium" mattresses 15 Dec 2015 11:11 #1

My wife and I just recently began sleeping on the brooklyn bedding soft mattress. (3 nights in) Before this we were trying the Leesa mattress. We slept on it for about a month and both concluded it was to firm for us. (we are 125 lbs, and 160 lbs. and primarily side sleepers.) So we're trying this brooklyn bedding soft. It really is soft! My wife likes it and I think it might be a bit to soft. I'm going to give this a month also, but suspect I might end up switching to the medium firmness. Anybody here have experience with both of them? The reason I didn't order the medium is my wife considered the Leesa to be like a rock. She was very sensitive to it's firmness. From the reviews I've read online the firmess of the leesa is considered a medium, so that worried me. Any side sleepers sleeping on the medium?

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Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver - soft option compared to other "medium" mattresses 15 Dec 2015 12:46 #2

Hi chadb97,

Congratulations on your new mattress ... and thanks for the update.

I'm not surprised that the Brooklyn Bedding soft feels softer to you than the Leesa.

Anybody here have experience with both of them?


I would keep in mind that there are no "standard" definitions or consensus of opinions for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others so a mattress that one manufacturer rates as being a specific firmness could be rated very differently by another manufacturer. Different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel like "medium" for someone else or even "soft" for someone else (or vice versa) depending on their body type, sleeping style, physiology, their frame of reference based on what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. There are also different types of firmness and softness that different people may be sensitive to that can affect how they "rate" a mattress as well (see post #15 here ) so different people can also have very different opinions on how two mattresses compare in terms of firmness and some people may rate one mattress as being firmer than another and someone else may rate them the other way around. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science.

While your own careful testing or personal experience is the most reliable way to know whether any mattress is a good "match" for you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP or how it compares to another mattress ... when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with (which would likely include Leesa) based on the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences or to other mattresses that they are familiar with than anyone else.

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Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver - soft option compared to other "medium" mattresses 16 Dec 2015 21:56 #3

Chad, we have a very similar story to yours.

We started out on the Leesa, but found it too firm for side sleeping.

This drove us to order a Brooklyn Bed Soft. It definitely has a lot of give. The good thing is I don't feel the pressure spots on my hip bones and shoulders I feel when sleeping on the Leesa. What worries me now is that I seem to have developed a lower back soreness that may be due to the mattress. I've been switching between the Leesa and BB, and it seems things improve when I'm on the Leesa. The soreness occurs the morning after, though I think I do feel a bit of flex in my back when side sleeping. But, I'll keep testing until I know for sure.

Brooklyn bed did tell me that their medium is "definitely softer" the the Leesa mattress. I don't think I would switch out for a medium though since the "free return" can only be used once. So if the medium doesn't work out, you are stuck with it. Pretty risk for a mattress you've never tried. It is a reasonable policy on their end I think since each return probably costs them a few hundred.

We have plenty of time left to test the BB, though my current thinking is if it doesn't work out is to look into the Plush Kiss Bed that is also recommended. Since they offer a Plush and a Firm- their Plush may be slightly softer than Leesa's one size fits all firmness. I'll call them up for their input if that time comes.

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Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver - soft option compared to other "medium" mattresses 16 Dec 2015 22:14 #4

Hi matressshopper123,

Thanks for the update.

While the most common cause for lower back pain is a mattress that is too soft ... as you probably know there will be a break in and adjustment period with any new mattress (see post #3 here ) and it's not unusual to experience some "symptoms" during that time as your body gets used to a new sleeping surface that is different from what it's used to so I would try and give any new mattress a month or so if possible (or at least a few weeks) until any "symptoms" have "stabilized" and are consistent before deciding deciding on any changes.

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Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver - soft option compared to other "medium" mattresses 18 Dec 2015 04:15 #5

This thread seems like deja vu, except I started with a Casper and not a Leesa and switched to a soft Brooklyn Bedding. I too am a side sleeper and the Casper was too hard - I basically lost sensation in my arms and hands during the night and after a few days had to force myself to sleep on my back. yuck. Brooklyn Bedding was a miracle until my lower back began to hurt. I only sleep on one side of the mattress and was able to eliminate the pain by sleeping on the other side. Once broken in the mattress won't provide enough support even though I really like the way it feels. Rather than take that risk of going to a medium and getting stuck, I decided to return the Brooklyn Bedding for a Spindle. Spindle costs more but if the medium doesn't work out I can contact Spindle and figure out how to adjust the layers of the mattress so that it does. Spindle is a little more money than Brooklyn Bedding but I figure it's worth paying extra to get a configurable latex mattress.

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Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver - soft option compared to other "medium" mattresses 18 Dec 2015 08:13 #6

Thanks for the input everybody! I'm tempted to switch back to the Leesa because I'm having trouble getting over the feeling that my hips are sinking on the #bestmattressever-soft. (no lower back pain yet though) Today is 1 week with it, so I want to give it at least 1 more week. The last few nights both my wife and I have noted that we are feeling each other move. With the Leesa, I could probably have jumped on the mattress and my wife wouldn't have felt me. So as of right now, I"m still sleeping on the #bestmattressever-soft, but will hold onto Leesa. Maybe adding a good thick mattress pad to the Leesa would help?

These trial periods are great! Way better to actually sleep on mattresses for an extended period of time, rather than try to make a decision on a mattress after laying on several of them for 5-10 minutes apiece.

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Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver - soft option compared to other "medium" mattresses 18 Dec 2015 13:21 #7

Hi chadb97, matressshopper123, tdoyon,

I switched the last few posts to a new topic with a different and more relevant title because they were starting to stray outside the scope of the original topic they were posted in.


@ tdoyon

Brooklyn Bedding was a miracle until my lower back began to hurt. I only sleep on one side of the mattress and was able to eliminate the pain by sleeping on the other side. Once broken in the mattress won't provide enough support even though I really like the way it feels.


It sounds like the medium may have been a better firmness choice for you. It can be somewhat misleading to compare one company's "medium" with the same "rating" with a different company because there are no "standard" definitions or consensus of opinions for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others so a mattress that one manufacturer rates as being medium could be either firmer or softer than another mattress made by a different manufacturer that is also rated as a "medium".

In any case ... congratulations on your new Spindle mattress :)

As you know they are also a great quality/value choice and I'm looking forward to your comments and feedback once you've received it and have had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.


@ chadb97,

I'm having trouble getting over the feeling that my hips are sinking on the #bestmattressever-soft. (no lower back pain yet though) Today is 1 week with it, so I want to give it at least 1 more week.


I would keep in mind that the first two "P's" in PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) are what you "need" and the last "P" is about your personal preferences so if you aren't experiencing any "symptoms" on a mattress (lower back pain or pressure points etc) that comments about what a mattress "feel like" may just be part of the initial adjustment period on a new mattress (see post #3 here ). I would be cautious about changing a firmness level based on preferences alone because it may compromise what your body "needs" and any actual symptoms you experience (or lack of any symptoms) are the most reliable indication of whether a mattress is a good "match" for you. Don't forget that you can't "feel" a mattress when you are sleeping.

Maybe adding a good thick mattress pad to the Leesa would help?


If a mattress is too firm and there are no soft spots or sagging in the mattress then a good quality topper or mattress pad can certainly be an effective way to add some additional softness, "comfort" and pressure relief to your sleeping system but the only way to know whether a specific mattress pad or topper in combination with your mattress is a good "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) would be based on your own careful testing or personal experience. If you can't test the combination in person then there is always some risk and uncertainty involved in adding a mattress pad or topper because the specifics of the mattress itself along with your own body type, sleeping position, and preferences can affect which specific mattress pad or topper would be a suitable choice on any specific mattress.

The type of mattress pad or topper that you may wish to add would would be a preference choice rather than a "better/worse" choice and would depend on how much additional softness and pressure relief you would need and on the types of materials and the "feel" that you tend to prefer.

You can read a little more about fiberbeds and mattress pads (which use polyester fibers) in post #10 here and in post #2 here .

If you decide to make more significant changes to your mattress and add a topper then there is more information about choosing a topper in post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to which along with a conversation with a reliable supplier that can provide you with good information about how their toppers compare to each other or to other toppers they are familiar with that are available on the market can help you use your sleeping experience as a reference point and guideline to help you choose the type, thickness, and firmness for a topper that has the least possible risk and the best chance for success.

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Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver - soft option compared to other "medium" mattresses 01 Jan 2016 09:13 #8

Here's an update:

My wife and I both liked the comfort level of the #bme-soft a lot! We definitely prefer soft comfort levels. However, we have two complaints about the #bme-soft.

1). The motion transfer of this mattress is a little bit more than we would like.

2). The support level is just not ideal for us. (Close, but not ideal)

Thinking of switching to the #bme-medium, but I'm kind of making some assumptions I'd like some input on. As far as the motion transfer the soft has an ild 19 top layer and the medium a 28 ild top layer. Would it be reasonable to assume that a firmer top layer would reduce the motion transfer?

I'm also assuming that the support level of the medium will be better than the soft. The second layer of latex is the same in the soft and medium, so not 100% sure the support would be more or not.

If I do switch to the medium, that's it for me. I lose my trial and the medium is mine. Like I said, we really liked the soft, and I think the medium will hit the sweet spot. My wife and I really liked the support of the Leesa, but it's was to firm (for her) and I bought it before knowing it only had a 3 lb. memory foam layer. So the Leesa is going back.

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Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver - soft option compared to other "medium" mattresses 01 Jan 2016 13:55 #9

Hi chadb97,

Would it be reasonable to assume that a firmer top layer would reduce the motion transfer?


Latex in general is very point elastic (contours well to the shape of the body) and is "good" in terms of motion transfer but not as good as memory foam which is the most motion isolating of all the foam materials. Motion transfer is also a function of how all the layers and components in a mattress and the cover interact together with the people sleeping on the mattress so even mattresses that have similar materials can be somewhat different in terms of motion transfer. Different people with different body types or sleeping styles or sensitivities can also affect motion transfer. I doubt that there would be many members here that have compared their soft and firm mattresses (and even if they had their experience may be different from yours) so a conversation with Brooklyn Bedding would probably be the best source of guidance about how their soft and firm options compare in terms of motion transfer.

I'm also assuming that the support level of the medium will be better than the soft. The second layer of latex is the same in the soft and medium, so not 100% sure the support would be more or not.


"Support" is often misunderstood because the goal of a "supportive" mattress is to keep the spine and joints in good alignment and this requires the type of contouring support that allows some parts of the body to sink in more and some parts of the body to sink in less and this will vary on an individual basis. There is more about primary or "deep" support and secondary or "surface" support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the "roles" of different layers in a mattress in post #2 here and in post #4 here that may also be helpful in clarifying the difference between "support/alignment" and "comfort/pressure relief" and "feel" and how they interact together.

The only reliable way to know for certain whether any mattress is a good "match" for you in terms of PPP will be based on your own personal experience.

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Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver - soft option compared to other "medium" mattresses 01 Apr 2017 19:06 #10

The Brooklyn medium is MUCH closer to the Brooklyn soft than it is to the Leesa.

We're also returning our Leesa due to shoulder pain (side sleepers). We were a couple weeks outside their 100 nights but they still honored it, no questions asked. It's also a quality product, just too firm.

Coincidentally we're in Phoenix this week so we went to a Brooklyn store and actually laid on them. Soft and medium both had much more of a pillowtop feel compared to Leesa.

Based on your lower back complaints we'll be going Brooklyn medium FWIW.

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