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DIY Foam on Latex vs Ultimate Dreams Gel 13 26 Feb 2016 11:03 #1

Hello all. I've been lurking for quite some time and absorbing all of the information I can in my search for a new mattress. Just made an account to start asking some questions.

My girlfriend and I are sleeping on an old Ikea 11" queen size inner spring mattress that's slowly killing us both. I'm tossing and turning all night, and we're both waking up with lower back pain (I have two herniated discs).

I've been a stomach sleeper for my of my life and would like to move away from this. SWMBO and I like to spoon and sleep on our sides. I usually last a few hours before waking up to horrible shoulder pain (pressure point) or pain/stiffness in my knees (sagging mattress). So I would like to move toward a softer mattress to be more accommodating for side sleeping.

I'm 6' and 210 lbs. She's 5'9" and I'd like to go on living.

A friend of ours highly recommended the Ultimate Dreams 13" Gel mattress - he's a side sleeper. In fact we went over to his place and spent about 10 minutes shifting between our normal sleeping positions before my girl felt too awkward to continue sampling our friend's bed.

I'm pretty comfortable with that particular mattress. And at $630, it's at the ideal price point for me.

However. I've been contemplating a DIY mattress for quite some time. I also like the idea of being able to exchange components vs buy a new mattress as they degrade over time. I could also rearrange their order/flip them as needed.

I have a Pure Green 3" 30 ILD latex topper that's about 8 years old. I'm considering using that as a base layer.

I'm considering buying two more layers from dream foam.

A 3" layer of the 5lb memory foam for the middle (the Ultimate Dreams has a 2" layer at this level):
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00EQJBQT0/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=APCUWEOU23BHI

And a 3" layer of the 4 lb gel memory foam on top:
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00B4EIX28/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I'll use the case from sleepez, and here is where I'm torn: get the stretch case or the wool quilting?
www.sleepez.com/latex-mattress-components.html

The component approach wouldn't save me any money, and (without wool) the mattress would be about 4" slimmer.

What I'd like to ask the panel is:

1. Would I notice a tremendous difference in support between a 9" and 13" mattress?
2. Would a 3" 30 ILD latex layer be firm enough for the base?
3. To what degree would a 1" wool quilt negate the memory foam's conforming properties?

I like the temperature regulating characteristics of wool, and my girlfriend and I both fear sleeping hot.

Thanks for your time. This site is a valuable resource!

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DIY Foam on Latex vs Ultimate Dreams Gel 13 26 Feb 2016 12:04 #2

Hi Njones0100,

I've been a stomach sleeper for my of my life and would like to move away from this. SWMBO and I like to spoon and sleep on our sides. I usually last a few hours before waking up to horrible shoulder pain (pressure point) or pain/stiffness in my knees (sagging mattress). So I would like to move toward a softer mattress to be more accommodating for side sleeping.

I'm 6' and 210 lbs. She's 5'9" and I'd like to go on living.


While I can certainly help with "how" to choose ... I don't make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

Hopefully you've read the mattress shopping tutorial (which is the best place to start your research) but two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" and PPP that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

A friend of ours highly recommended the Ultimate Dreams 13" Gel mattress - he's a side sleeper. In fact we went over to his place and spent about 10 minutes shifting between our normal sleeping positions before my girl felt too awkward to continue sampling our friend's bed.

I'm pretty comfortable with that particular mattress. And at $630, it's at the ideal price point for me.


While other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful ... I would also keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about about using other people's experiences or reviews on a mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you and in many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful. A mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words ... reviews in general won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

Having said that ... the Ultimate Dreams 13" gel memory foam mattress certainly uses good quality materials and there are no lower quality materials or weak links in the mattress that would be a cause for concern in terms of the durability and useful life of the mattress but the only way to know for certain whether any mattress will be a good "match" for you will be based on either careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) or your own actual sleeping experience once you have the chance to actually sleep on it.

However. I've been contemplating a DIY mattress for quite some time. I also like the idea of being able to exchange components vs buy a new mattress as they degrade over time. I could also rearrange their order/flip them as needed.

I have a Pure Green 3" 30 ILD latex topper that's about 8 years old. I'm considering using that as a base layer.

I'm considering buying two more layers from dream foam.

A 3" layer of the 5lb memory foam for the middle (the Ultimate Dreams has a 2" layer at this level):
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00EQJBQT0/ref=ox...1&smid=APCUWEOU23BHI

And a 3" layer of the 4 lb gel memory foam on top:
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00B4EIX28/ref=ox...1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I'll use the case from sleepez, and here is where I'm torn: get the stretch case or the wool quilting?
www.sleepez.com/latex-mattress-components.html

The component approach wouldn't save me any money, and (without wool) the mattress would be about 4" slimmer.


If you are considering a DIY component mattress then I would read post #2 here and the posts it links to before making your layer or component purchases.

1. Would I notice a tremendous difference in support between a 9" and 13" mattress?


The thickness of a mattress or any individual layers inside it is really just a side effect of the design and the design goals of a mattress and is also only one of many variables that can affect the feel and performance of a mattress relative to any particular person and by itself isn't particularly meaningful (see post #2 here ). In some cases higher weight ranges will sometimes do better with a mattress that is thicker than lower weight ranges (see post #14 here for more about the effect of thickness) but even this depends more on the specific design and combination of materials in the mattress and on how well your testing or personal experience indicates the mattress "as a whole" matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of PPP than it does on just the thickness itself.

2. Would a 3" 30 ILD latex layer be firm enough for the base?


It would depend on the person and their weight and weight distribution, their sleeping style, and on their individual preferences and circumstances and on all the other layers and components in the mattress. Every layer and component in a mattress will have an effect on the feel and performance of every other layer and component above and below it and on the mattress "as a whole". It would probably be softer than most people would use for a bottom layer but for some people it would be fine (again depending on the other layers and components) and for others it may be too soft. The only way to know how any combination of materials will work for you (regardless of how they work for anyone else) will be based on your own careful testing or your own personal experience.

3. To what degree would a 1" wool quilt negate the memory foam's conforming properties?


Again there are too many variables to quantify this because it's too subjective and will also depend on the specifics of the wool quilting and on the properties and specific type of materials (or memory foam) that are underneath it as well.

There is more about the pros and cons of a quilted cover vs a thinner more stretchy knit cover in post #12 here and the posts it links to. It would certainly be reasonable to expect that it would make a noticeable difference in how much heat reached the memory foam and and "affect" (not negate completely) the feel and contouring and performance of the memory foam but the only way to know whether the difference would be detrimental or beneficial for you would be based your own personal experience.

Regardless of how it would affect the feel or performance of the mattress ... it would certainly help with temperature regulation.

Phoenix
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