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"Clinical assessment of sleep profile"? 15 May 2016 19:17 #1

I'm in the process of researching a place to buy a mattress from. I've come up with a place claiming to so a clinical assessment of your sleep profile, then build you a custom mattress tailored to your requirements.

In the guides I didn't see recommendations on places that do sleep testing. Any thoughts? It sounds a bit like snake oil to me.

The site is prescribed.com.au/

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"Clinical assessment of sleep profile"? 15 May 2016 20:48 #2

Hi LenF,

I spent some time on the site and it looks legitimate to me ... at least in theory. Most of what I read would certainly agree with my own thoughts and most of the research about sleeping ergonomics around the world about the importance of support/alignment and pressure relief in all your sleeping positions as the two most important functions of a mattress and the most important parts of a successful mattress choice.

The most important part of sleep quality is spinal alignment and while assessing spinal alignment in a lateral sleep position is relatively simple because the spine can be measured relatively easily ... with the current state of the art it's much more difficult to accurately assess spinal alignment in a prone or supine position or the many "in between" positions without some relatively expensive individual 3D modeling and test equipment that is used over the course of the night (see chapter 4 in this study ). They say they are using a laser sensor to measure spinal alignment which would probably be fairly accurate with side sleeping but I would question how accurate it would be for the other sleeping positions.

In terms of pressure relief ... pressure mapping can certainly be an effective way to assess pressure points along the body surface but once again it would be important to make sure that pressure was measured in the range of sleeping positions that you would be sleeping in over the course of the night.

Overall ... it would probably be accurate to say that the type of testing they are doing along with their professional experience and assessment would very likely increase your odds of success that a mattress would be a good "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (particularly if it is zoned to fit your body profile) but it wouldn't be a guarantee of success because of the many variables involved that may not be possible to assess with the type of equipment they are using.

There is also more about the 3 most important parts of "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

They also don't mention the specifics of the materials and components they are using in their mattresses and outside of PPP ... the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the quality/durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label (or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new) so I would also make sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the materials and components to the quality/durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

In terms of other options that may be available to you ... I don't have any particular knowledge about the Australian market so I won't be able to help much in terms of specific retailers or manufacturers I'm aware of there but the steps involved in choosing a mattress and the mattress materials that are used in Australia would generally be the same as in North America. I would also read post #2 here (except replace "Israel" with "Australia").

Post #2 here also includes links to most of the forum topics from Australia and post #7 here includes a list of many Australian manufacturers and retailers and a few comments about some of them as well that will hopefully be helpful as well.

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"Clinical assessment of sleep profile"? 15 May 2016 21:32 #3

Thanks Phoenix.

I did note that they don't list their material specs (or even their prices), but now that I know they're not actually talking nonsense I can phone them up and find out details etc.. Thanks again, I appreciate it :)

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"Clinical assessment of sleep profile"? 18 May 2016 01:17 #4

Hm. They didn't tell me the materials they use.

I emailed:

Hi.

I'm looking for a new mattress and I'm quite interested in your website. Could I ask you a few questions though?

What materials do you use for the different layers of your mattresses? I'm guessing memory foam and latex. Can you tell me the densities of the forms you use (be they latex, memory foam or polyfoam)?

Also, what are your prices? I'm guessing the price depends on the specifics of the particular mattress plus consultation fee?


They replied:

The materials that we use generally range from springs, to foams, to viscoelastic. The densities of the materials will vary depending on what the results yield. We source the best materials that are available and the mattresses are Australian made.
Prices are below and are only a guide as again they are dependent on the results.
Double: $2000
Queen: $2500
King: $3000


The prices seem pretty reasonable, but I'm pretty hesitant since they wouldn't give me specifics about the materials. Still, given that these guys specifically make custom mattresses, I could go them, do the assessment and then request the specifications to review before they make it and I pay them. Any thoughts?

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"Clinical assessment of sleep profile"? 18 May 2016 07:33 #5

Hi LenF,

Still, given that these guys specifically make custom mattresses, I could go them, do the assessment and then request the specifications to review before they make it and I pay them. Any thoughts?


That makes sense to me. I would want to know the density of any memory foam or polyfoam (density is the single biggest factor in durability with both). Any type of latex would be a durable material but I would want to know the type and blend of the latex to make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses. You don't need to know the density of any latex in the mattress.

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"Clinical assessment of sleep profile"? 20 May 2016 06:04 #6

I am not this is the right place to put this or not. I ran into an article on Inc, magazine about what is fueling the eCommerce of mattress. This is all new, but the companies are seeking feed back

Even in the pre-launch period, Helix has tweaked its ability to create an accurate sleep profile, based both on data (from its beta-test sleepers) and anecdotal experiences. For example, the company learned that terms like "soft" and "firm" can be highly subjective, and vary depending on geography.

"Most people in the northeast prefer a firmer feel than in south," says Tishman. That's an interesting finding, in and of itself. But it also means that when you ask someone in the south for their mattress preference on the sliding scale of firm to plush, you have to recognize that their "firm" answer does not mean the same thing as when someone from the northeast says "firm."


This is might be of little help to you in Australia, but it does show that in the growing competitive sector, at least some companies are trying to do assessments of sleep profiles.

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"Clinical assessment of sleep profile"? 20 May 2016 07:23 #7

Hi Jimmie,

I don't think that an online questionnaire would qualify as a "clinical assessment" although most of the better online companies that have multiple choices available do their best to ask enough questions or provide some guidelines to improve the odds of their customers making a suitable choice.

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"Clinical assessment of sleep profile"? 20 May 2016 19:28 #8

Oh no :(

It turns out after a bit more digging (actually, just looking up where they are on Google), they're run by the "centre for muscoskeletal medicine", which is people with no medical qualifications practicing accupuncture and other quackery.

What a disappointment.

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"Clinical assessment of sleep profile"? 20 May 2016 22:05 #9

Hi LenF,

I understand that an Osteopath in Australia would be similar to a Chiropractor in the US and I would think that they would both have extensive knowledge about spinal alignment regardless of whether they are an actual medical doctor.

While I certainly don't know how effective their assessment process may be or the quality or value of their mattresses ... I probably wouldn't rule them out for lack of a medical degree. I don't think it would take a doctor to do the type of clinical assessment that can help you choose a mattress and even a knowledgeable and experienced mattress salesperson with some knowledge about spinal alignment can shift the odds of choosing a suitable mattress in your favor.

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"Clinical assessment of sleep profile"? 20 May 2016 22:23 #10

We have chiropractors as well, and unfortunately they're quacks too. In actual fact, they are no more qualified to discuss spinal health than I am.

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