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Zenhaven Foundation

18 Mar 2019 19:39 #111 by sweetandsourkiwi
Thanks Lotus! I am glad the stinky latex calmed down. I hadn't heard that issue yet and it gave me one more thing to worry about! ;)

Good to know there are limits on layer exchanges.

I am curious, did the Zenhaven feel too firm to you overall? The bed doesn't feel that firm to me; more hard than dense. The shoulder is just harder pressure than any other bed I've tried. I do wonder if the zoning is more than 19 in places or less, if the whole zoned part ranges from 14-19, I just don't know how that works.

When I look at ILDs it actually seems like it should be a pretty soft build overall, which makes me think it's the cover. Really wish I could figure it out so I don't make the same mistake twice.

The bed seems kinda "dead" to me now that it's on the floor. I've heard reports that some of the DIY builds are a bit livelier than the Zenhaven. Is that your experience? The all-talalay uncovered beds I tried were almost quivering with jiggliness but it seems like there are ways to mitigate that, for sure. Right now the ZH just feels like a hunk of foam compared to how it felt on the foundation (almost like a coil bed).

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18 Mar 2019 22:28 #112 by lotus14
Replied by lotus14 on topic Zenhaven Foundation
Yes, it felt a bit too firm overall but especially so at the shoulder. Not sure what you mean by the difference between "firm" and "hard" though.

I've always seen 100% Natural Talalay ILDs given in a range like 14-19. Apparently few if any manufacturers can be more precise. If there are perhaps one of the many people here with more knowledge than I will weigh in. With blended talalay they claim to be more precise which is one of the reasons I'm planning to use it in my DIY.

So if the layer is 14-19 overall, then it's possible the areas with smaller, fewer holes are firmer than 19. Also, the top layer is only 1 1/2 inches thick. I could easily feel the firmer (24 - 28?) layer under that.

My Sleeping Organic was all 3" layers, dunlop, dunlop, talalay @ 26-32, 18-22, 14-18. With a thinner cover, my DIY may wind up being a notch firmer than that, but I want a plush mattress and my BMI is only 22.5. Have to get it together and sleep on it some.

In my experience uncovered talalay does feel quite springy and bouncy or "quivering with jiggliness" (love that phrase!) A thin DIY cover would let you feel the latex more, while a thicker, heavier cover would naturally dampen the bounce. Of course the heavier cover might be more durable, so better for a long warranty like the Zenhaven's.

And the last thing I'd want is a foundation that was adding bounce. That would have to go! lol

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19 Mar 2019 10:25 #113 by sweetandsourkiwi
Thanks for sharing!

What I meant by firm and hard is...some beds have a denser feel where you don't sink in as much, but they aren't very pressuring. Things feel pretty equal. So that would be firm but not hard. Some beds have an airy, plush feel but when you sink in you really hit a lot of pressure. You might be out of alignment due to the softness, AND have a bunch of pressure points. So that would be soft but hard.

To me the Zenhaven feels a little "soft but hard" with the topper. (It just feels hard AND firm without it.)

It is crazy to me how much the foundation changed the feel! I am wondering if the switch from floor to slats (when I finally get my KD frame together) is going to be as dramatic?

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19 Mar 2019 13:14 #114 by lotus14
Replied by lotus14 on topic Zenhaven Foundation
That makes sense now. "soft but hard" sounds like what I had with topper on the Zenhaven though mine was 2" and 20 ILD.

Let us know how the new frame works out.

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19 Mar 2019 14:00 #115 by sweetandsourkiwi
Although I know everyone feels things differently, since we had similar experiences on the Zenhaven, I'm glad you said that about the 2" 20 ILD topper. I was considering trying that (or a 1") next. Did you have the encased topper from Zenhaven? I had to cut the encasement material off because the lack of stretch on the backing material made it more pressuring to lay on.

Will do on the frame!

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19 Mar 2019 18:47 #116 by lotus14
Replied by lotus14 on topic Zenhaven Foundation
No, I got my topper from Sleep On Latex (dunlop). Very thin stretchy cover. Lots of people sell talalay toppers either without covers or thin ones though. Just check the return policy!

Perhaps you'd want to try a 2" topper which would give you the option to try 3" with the topper you already have.

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19 Mar 2019 19:27 #117 by lotus14
Replied by lotus14 on topic Zenhaven Foundation
How do you start a new thread on this forum???

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20 Mar 2019 07:36 #118 by Sensei
Replied by Sensei on topic Zenhaven Foundation
Hey lotus14,

As we go through some reorganization ends and some backend administration of the forum we have temporarily turned off the “start a new thread” feature in the General Mattress Questions.

We apologize for this inconvenience especially for some engaged consumers like yourself it would be very helpful. I will move this thread to a more helpful general latex thread and check the others today also.

Thank you for all your helpful information.


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